RE: 2023 INEOS Grenadier | PH Review
Discussion
sisu said:
Pflanzgarten said:
The spec question is really only viable for those who must have a certain thing and in that case-it's a personal choice. Safari windows are a complete misnomer for me-I'd always fit a roof rack which renders then useless and who has ever sat in a car and thought "you know what I need to do now? I need to push the seat back, open the roof a tiny bit and squeeze out to look over the header rail!" unless they're on safari (clue is in the name) and a lion walks past and you don't have time to climb out and get on the roof rack.
Having driven one with diff locks off road as good as it is-I'd never use that capability.
Plus what do you do with the panels? This is the storage solution which you hopefully take with you when you decide to take them out. A carry on sized case in what is already the only storage area of the truck? Not a clip or between the C and D pillars in the boot. Even a T-top car from the 80s in a pouch on the back of the seat. Having driven one with diff locks off road as good as it is-I'd never use that capability.
You need to stop, get out, open the boot, put the panels in the case and then get back in. What happens if you want to close the sunroof as you are driving under trees, dust or dirt from other vehicles you are following and want to clear the windscreen? Makes the powered sliding sunroof, with a blind of any other 4x4 that you can operate with just a switch seem like a Tesla.
Much like a folding windshield in a 4x4, you might use it at some point if you are in Kenya and its nice on overcast days or not.
I know the "rugged simplicity" is thrown around as a selling point. Have any of you considered a Niva, Jimney, Iveco, Jeep or other brand where this is their selling point?
sisu said:
You need to stop, get out, open the boot, put the panels in the case and then get back in. What happens if you want to close the sunroof as you are driving under trees, dust or dirt from other vehicles you are following and want to clear the windscreen?
Maybe combine it with one of the necessary stops to lock or unlock the centre diff?Snow and Rocks said:
I was beginning to think NdJ and Sisu had given up on the campaign!
C70R said:
Those "many people" are mostly just internet bores. They aren't real people.
The same as those "many people" who have seemingly limitless energy for trashing cars they've never driven and can't afford.
The same as those "many people" who have seemingly limitless energy for trashing cars they've never driven and can't afford.
NomduJour said:
I’m sure you certainly can grapple with that big, manly knob on the move, but does the transfer box have a neutral position (given they all have automatic gearboxes)?
Sounds like it's had a (sensible) software update. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bfy5SAIkiC0&t=60...
C70R said:
Snow and Rocks said:
I was beginning to think NdJ and Sisu had given up on the campaign!
C70R said:
Those "many people" are mostly just internet bores. They aren't real people.
The same as those "many people" who have seemingly limitless energy for trashing cars they've never driven and can't afford.
The same as those "many people" who have seemingly limitless energy for trashing cars they've never driven and can't afford.
The provincial Pearly King of Zone 3 now thinks he’s hobnobbing with the Earl of Leicester because he’s got an old Discovery at his wife’s gaff.
How are you getting on with shopping your new neighbours for driving to the pub?
Lefty said:
Well that’s a good point.
In fairness, whilst the Ineos agents seem to be doing well the actual Ineos Automotive aren’t getting great reviews for communication and customer relations. Shame to see a new company gettting the basics wrong.
It's a common trait among almost all retail facing operations. The silly thing here is that it is a new retail business, it's selling £70k toys and only a few hundred so it would make great sense to give those early owners, who are absolutely pivotal to the business' future an almost private member's experience with a phone number that gets straight through to a couple of people who have been forced to use the product and read the manual inside and out. But that's hindsight and I suspect they set up for much higher volumes and for the agents to do all the PR hard graft for sweat FA?In fairness, whilst the Ineos agents seem to be doing well the actual Ineos Automotive aren’t getting great reviews for communication and customer relations. Shame to see a new company gettting the basics wrong.
NomduJour said:
C70R said:
Snow and Rocks said:
I was beginning to think NdJ and Sisu had given up on the campaign!
C70R said:
Those "many people" are mostly just internet bores. They aren't real people.
The same as those "many people" who have seemingly limitless energy for trashing cars they've never driven and can't afford.
The same as those "many people" who have seemingly limitless energy for trashing cars they've never driven and can't afford.
The provincial Pearly King of Zone 3 now thinks he’s hobnobbing with the Earl of Leicester because he’s got an old Discovery at his wife’s gaff.
How are you getting on with shopping your new neighbours for driving to the pub?
It warms the cockles that you obsess so much.
DonkeyApple said:
The silly thing here is that it is a new retail business, it's selling £70k toys and only a few hundred so it would make great sense to give those early owners, who are absolutely pivotal to the business' future an almost private member's experience with a phone number that gets straight through to a couple of people who have been forced to use the product and read the manual inside and out
Maybe they should do organised adventure holidays etc like Land Rover used to (I remember the big glossy brochures, can’t remember the name of the programme), where you can go to the Highlands in a fleet of them and watch men in kilts winch them over tree trunks whilst you’re served bullsh[o]t from an Ineos/Belstaff-branded storm kettle.Their offices are behind the Kings Road, they could turn it into a clubhouse where you could compare carabiners and unused kinetic recovery ropes.
silentbrown said:
Grenadier registrations updated to include Nov. figures.
YTD total : 1575
Sales down to zero by January if they follow that trend.| Month | Cars | LCVs |
|---|---|---|
| April | 94 | 52 |
| May | 182 | 147 |
| June | 152 | 91 |
| July | 93 | 94 |
| August | 62 | 67 |
| September | 155 | 150 |
| October | 62 | 79 |
| November | 41 | 54 |
| Totals | 841 | 734 |
YTD total : 1575
silentbrown said:
Grenadier registrations updated to include Nov. figures.
YTD total : 1575
Offt.| Month | Cars | LCVs |
|---|---|---|
| April | 94 | 52 |
| May | 182 | 147 |
| June | 152 | 91 |
| July | 93 | 94 |
| August | 62 | 67 |
| September | 155 | 150 |
| October | 62 | 79 |
| November | 41 | 54 |
| Totals | 841 | 734 |
YTD total : 1575
That’s some drop off from September.
Just over 3 models a day sold from the full uk network for November.
VIN’s over 10,000 now. The grenadier forum is full of people from Europe, Australia and Africa with them. And a lot of Americans impatient with delays and poor comms from Ineos Autotmotive.
I know that VIN doesnt equate to sales before the haters gleefully say they haven’t seen any in their suburbs amongst all the JLR products and German SUV’s so worldwide sales must be tiny.
I know that VIN doesnt equate to sales before the haters gleefully say they haven’t seen any in their suburbs amongst all the JLR products and German SUV’s so worldwide sales must be tiny.
Lefty said:
VIN’s over 10,000 now.
It's odd, though, given that UK was the first market to get deliveries and US has only just started. 10,000 is a significant number, but INEOS are being very coy about sales figures.
I'm not aware how tax etc is applied to new car prices in Aus, but they've just hiked Grenadier pricing there, which could imply there's no problem with demand. Even after the increase, Fieldmaster list price is only £65K
https://www.drive.com.au/news/2024-ineos-grenadier...
NomduJour said:
DonkeyApple said:
The silly thing here is that it is a new retail business, it's selling £70k toys and only a few hundred so it would make great sense to give those early owners, who are absolutely pivotal to the business' future an almost private member's experience with a phone number that gets straight through to a couple of people who have been forced to use the product and read the manual inside and out
Maybe they should do organised adventure holidays etc like Land Rover used to (I remember the big glossy brochures, can’t remember the name of the programme), where you can go to the Highlands in a fleet of them and watch men in kilts winch them over tree trunks whilst you’re served bullsh[o]t from an Ineos/Belstaff-branded storm kettle.Their offices are behind the Kings Road, they could turn it into a clubhouse where you could compare carabiners and unused kinetic recovery ropes.
Pflanzgarten said:
NomduJour said:
DonkeyApple said:
The silly thing here is that it is a new retail business, it's selling £70k toys and only a few hundred so it would make great sense to give those early owners, who are absolutely pivotal to the business' future an almost private member's experience with a phone number that gets straight through to a couple of people who have been forced to use the product and read the manual inside and out
Maybe they should do organised adventure holidays etc like Land Rover used to (I remember the big glossy brochures, can’t remember the name of the programme), where you can go to the Highlands in a fleet of them and watch men in kilts winch them over tree trunks whilst you’re served bullsh[o]t from an Ineos/Belstaff-branded storm kettle.Their offices are behind the Kings Road, they could turn it into a clubhouse where you could compare carabiners and unused kinetic recovery ropes.
Our club helps out with it.
Well attended and has cars of all models taking part in it.
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