Worst aging cars?
Discussion
my 10 daughter loves cars and calls Tesla's slugs Gordon Hill said:
I agree, Tesla 3 and Y already look 15 years old.
Considering the Model-S is 13 years old and most Tesla designs are direct spin-offs it's a miracle that they don't look older. Time-wise it's a durable design precisely because it rejected the detailed surfacing that was all the rage in early 2010s, and (I guess) that won't change because they're rejecting the gross "$#ck you" impactfulness of today.I stick by the notion that if you're doing your own thing (as opposed to doing "that thing" of the time), and producing a clean, taught design, then you'll likely have something that endures to the point that technology and manufacturing techniques make your product look old-hat.
Gordon Hill said:
Not hate, just stating a fact that the 3 and Y look uniformly boring and already outdated, don't be so quick to get offended petal.
It was probably the comment about the batteries degrading. You seemed to imply it was related to their looks.P.S. Most EV batteries are guaranteed for 8-10 years or 100+ k miles, so don't really degrade very quickly.
Torquey said:
I can't say I think Tesla's look aged yet.
There's a 16 reg model S in my street which looks brand new and more attractive than a new 3 series.
Well, the ones with fake bumbers sure look like something out of the 90's for me, like they look so outdated and with old curves and stuff, I can't really explain itThere's a 16 reg model S in my street which looks brand new and more attractive than a new 3 series.
SimonKD said:
Torquey said:
I can't say I think Tesla's look aged yet.
There's a 16 reg model S in my street which looks brand new and more attractive than a new 3 series.
Well, the ones with fake bumbers sure look like something out of the 90's for me, like they look so outdated and with old curves and stuff, I can't really explain itThere's a 16 reg model S in my street which looks brand new and more attractive than a new 3 series.
Gordon Hill said:
paradigital said:
stanlow45 said:
EVs seem to be the worst candidates, the odd looks age fast as the batteries degrade.
So the ones that the batteries still have full battery health still look fresh?What an odd statement.
Hardly surprising that the EV hate began almost immediately though, literally any excuse to take a pop.
If you want decent efficiency you absolutely have to have low drag and there aren't many ways to do that and still make a normal looking car.
A Model 3 has a lower Cd than the original Insight, that's pretty incredible in my view.
Olivergt said:
Resolutionary said:
Any Nissan Juke. They get worse every time I see one.
I'm the opposite, I think they are now looking quite funky and different.Also the most boring and worst ride quality in any car I have driven in recent memory. It’s all over the place at motorway speeds with a light wind.
First generation Cayenne \ Toureg have aged pretty badly. If you go further back I saw a Ford Probe recently and that design has also aged poorly, its competition (to my eyes) have faired better, VW Corrado, Vauxhall Calibra to name two.
EV's have to chase low drag figures so add that to the brief of moving people and luggage means we get blobs.
EV's have to chase low drag figures so add that to the brief of moving people and luggage means we get blobs.
thecremeegg said:
Just me who thinks the Teslas don't look dates then? They aren't pretty that's for sure but they also aren't dated
No, I agree with you. I think they look very much more timeless than most modern cars, which with fussy detailing will age quickly.Tesla's tend to look clean, although the Model 3 and looks a little off from the front, the relative lack of design cues make them harder to date. They also don't change much over the lifespan.
Compare an early Model S to a contemporary Mercedes E class for instance, one could pass for new other could not, regardless of whether you like them.
thecremeegg said:
Just me who thinks the Teslas don't look dates then? They aren't pretty that's for sure but they also aren't dated
I agree; they were never what you'd call pretty (although I think the model-S is quite a handsome, well proportioned thing as big fastbacks go) but I don't think they look any more dated now than they did when they were first released. If anything I think they (especially the model-3) have gone from looking ungainly and awkward to looking slightly dull looking as the basic half-teardrop shape as been adopted by other manufacturers. The problem with this type of tread is that a lot of people don't seem able to distinguish between "I don't like XYZ" and "XYZ looks more dated than other cars of the same age".
Personally I think complex detailing tends to be what ages cars badly. Basic geometric shapes can't really date but weird creases, compound curves, and things like weird pointy light clusters very much can.
Edited by kambites on Sunday 7th April 08:12
G-wiz said:
Odd discussion,
A car from the 1930s looks around 100 years old now.
A car from the 1960s looks around 60 years old now.
A car from the 1980s looks around 40 years old now.
I could go on..........
And an extremely insightful response too…. A car from the 1930s looks around 100 years old now.
A car from the 1960s looks around 60 years old now.
A car from the 1980s looks around 40 years old now.
I could go on..........
Ioniq 6 thing which looks awful to my eyes, will age slowly like all slugs.
Early pre-facelift Gallardos haven't aged well. I remember thinking they looked absolutely amazing at the time, and lusting after one more than almost any car. Saw one in a dealer recently and it just looked old in a way that similar cars from the period just don't.
Park a 2005 Gallardo next to a DB9, an F430, or even a 360, and the Lambo will stand out as old while the others just look classic. All just in my opinion of course.
Park a 2005 Gallardo next to a DB9, an F430, or even a 360, and the Lambo will stand out as old while the others just look classic. All just in my opinion of course.
I nominate MINI Countryman MK1 as a design which has aged badly.
In my opinion... the designs which were a bit of a dud to begin with owe any sales success to blind customers and novelty value. So the manufactures can get away with easing them out.
Someone mentioned the Juke earlier. It is a frightfully ugly car and instead of trying to tone it down a bit and tune out some of the goblinisque features they've instead doubled-down and tried to "develop a design language"... that's what the design team will be saying to the management.
You can't really nominate the Nissan Juke because everybody knows it has always been horrifically ugly, probably a car Walter White would drive in a new series of Breaking Bad.
A MINI, which is meant to be a trendy thing... when it looks like the Countryman it starts high and swings low very quickly - aka ages badly.
In my opinion... the designs which were a bit of a dud to begin with owe any sales success to blind customers and novelty value. So the manufactures can get away with easing them out.
Someone mentioned the Juke earlier. It is a frightfully ugly car and instead of trying to tone it down a bit and tune out some of the goblinisque features they've instead doubled-down and tried to "develop a design language"... that's what the design team will be saying to the management.
You can't really nominate the Nissan Juke because everybody knows it has always been horrifically ugly, probably a car Walter White would drive in a new series of Breaking Bad.
A MINI, which is meant to be a trendy thing... when it looks like the Countryman it starts high and swings low very quickly - aka ages badly.
I think with Teslas, in part it’s a case of familiarity breeds contempt coupled with some anti EV bias. They have been around for a while and not changed much.
But, they are also a bit plain and samey, I don’t think they are a bad shape at all, the 3 and S anyway, but the 3 just lacks a bit of visual impact and so many are in white as mentioned, see one in a nice strong red or blue and it lifts it, the Model S is better looking but they have been flogging what is essentially the same design for what 13 years ?
Model X is just a big ugly lump really, the Y is a Model 3 with some swelling.
I think Range Rovers age badly, the minute the new one comes out, until such time as they pop out into classic, L405 still looks ok for now, 322 looks upright and gawky and the P38 which previously looked old and a bit tragic has become a bit of a classic, think they all just need a few years to mellow and the white bodykitted ones die off, RR Sport is similar, first ones look a bit provincial town doorman now but will mature and look good again.
But, they are also a bit plain and samey, I don’t think they are a bad shape at all, the 3 and S anyway, but the 3 just lacks a bit of visual impact and so many are in white as mentioned, see one in a nice strong red or blue and it lifts it, the Model S is better looking but they have been flogging what is essentially the same design for what 13 years ?
Model X is just a big ugly lump really, the Y is a Model 3 with some swelling.
I think Range Rovers age badly, the minute the new one comes out, until such time as they pop out into classic, L405 still looks ok for now, 322 looks upright and gawky and the P38 which previously looked old and a bit tragic has become a bit of a classic, think they all just need a few years to mellow and the white bodykitted ones die off, RR Sport is similar, first ones look a bit provincial town doorman now but will mature and look good again.
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