People changing lanes on m-ways in front of others
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On the M6 yesterday, quite a number of people changed/attempted to change lanes in front me. Some bothering to make a late attempt at indication, others not bothering. Some were moving out for no apparent reason at all.
I was driving a large white car with roof rails and DRLs -It may appear a little Police-like at first glance.
If I anticipate it, when a car in a left land ahead is approaching another from behind, I will often move right, but this is not always possible (in the right hand lane or with vehicles to the right)
I am mindful of people potentially doing so, but it is very concerning.
As somebody who indicates, checks mirrors and performs a shoulder check before changing lanes, this is not something that happens to me.
Do many people typically just not check beforehand? Do they not mind inconveniencing others? Do they not fear a collision? Is it just a complete lack of thought?
I was driving a large white car with roof rails and DRLs -It may appear a little Police-like at first glance.
If I anticipate it, when a car in a left land ahead is approaching another from behind, I will often move right, but this is not always possible (in the right hand lane or with vehicles to the right)
I am mindful of people potentially doing so, but it is very concerning.
As somebody who indicates, checks mirrors and performs a shoulder check before changing lanes, this is not something that happens to me.
Do many people typically just not check beforehand? Do they not mind inconveniencing others? Do they not fear a collision? Is it just a complete lack of thought?
The whole driving culture nowadays is me, me, me. Especially on motorways drivers believe they have a right to pull out infront of you; without indication but with the now synonymous "I'm already moving into your right of way but I will flash my indicators to seem polite".
Hate driving in this country and in about an hour I'm off to Chatham from Birmingham and return later; wish me luck.
Thankfully my EV driving style ensures I stick to under 70 so hopefully won't come across too many as I will be sat in themiddle lane driving lane.
Hate driving in this country and in about an hour I'm off to Chatham from Birmingham and return later; wish me luck.
Thankfully my EV driving style ensures I stick to under 70 so hopefully won't come across too many as I will be sat in the
stevemcs said:
Just poor driving, I had it on the M25 on Sunday a van indicated to come off at a junction and nearly took a merc out, he thought it was his fault but it was the mercs undertaking at a much higher speed.
Why was the car coming off in the overtaking lane if he wasn't travelling faster than the vehicles in the lane to the left?A question op. Do you overtake cars in lame 1 very slowly? I ask because although I now pretty much ignore middle lane dwellers, the one thing that is infuriating is mlms who very slowly approach and box you in when you are clearly catching up with the truck or car in front. I still indicate, but im fairly blunt with my pulling out these days. I ran out of patience some time ago.
Might not be you but curious.
Might not be you but curious.
Griffith4ever said:
A question op. Do you overtake cars in lame 1 very slowly? I ask because although I now pretty much ignore middle lane dwellers, the one thing that is infuriating is mlms who very slowly approach and box you in when you are clearly catching up with the truck or car in front. I still indicate, but im fairly blunt with my pulling out these days. I ran out of patience some time ago.
Might not be you but curious.
this, does my head in. I regularly have the pleasure of the A3 and A34 in my van. which doesn't have the power to deal with them) and the number of people who will box you in with and insanely slow 1mph overtake is mad. Might not be you but curious.
the other one is when you get someone in a hurry come flying up only for them to back off alongside you so you cant pull out behind them.
MC Bodge said:
As somebody who indicates, checks mirrors and performs a shoulder check before changing lanes, this is not something that happens to me.
Do many people typically just not check beforehand? Do they not mind inconveniencing others? Do they not fear a collision? Is it just a complete lack of thought?
Mirror, signal, manoeuvre…Not signal, mirror, manoeuvre.Do many people typically just not check beforehand? Do they not mind inconveniencing others? Do they not fear a collision? Is it just a complete lack of thought?
I don’t indicate if there’s a car passing me- I wait until they are gone and then indicate and move out.
Too many times I’ve had a car indicate and then pull out immediately despite the fact I’m next to them.
Griffith4ever said:
A question op. Do you overtake cars in lame 1 very slowly? I ask because although I now pretty much ignore middle lane dwellers, the one thing that is infuriating is mlms who very slowly approach and box you in when you are clearly catching up with the truck or car in front. I still indicate, but im fairly blunt with my pulling out these days. I ran out of patience some time ago.
Might not be you but curious.
Pet hate. If I'm in my very loud XKR I boot it when I can see what's going to happen, and very quickly get in front of them, complete the overtake, then come over.Might not be you but curious.
Almost without exception the mouthbreathing cretins find the accelerator at that point and overtake me properly.
Miserablegit said:
MC Bodge said:
As somebody who indicates, checks mirrors and performs a shoulder check before changing lanes, this is not something that happens to me.
Do many people typically just not check beforehand? Do they not mind inconveniencing others? Do they not fear a collision? Is it just a complete lack of thought?
Mirror, signal, manoeuvre…Not signal, mirror, manoeuvre.Do many people typically just not check beforehand? Do they not mind inconveniencing others? Do they not fear a collision? Is it just a complete lack of thought?
Nb. I do not crawl alongside other cars if I can avoid it.
I drive competently and take an interest in the process.
Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 7th May 11:21
Proliferation of safety & self driving tech means you can take much more liberty than you would dare in the past, with much more confidence that you won't cause (or at least be part of) an accident.
E.g you see a Tesla & want to be in front of it but the gap between you & them is traditionally way too small.
You can now make the move anyway & have confidence that the Tesla if using self driving will see you/back off, & also prevent the driver from closing in on you in a dangerous way, even if they wanted to, due to collision avoidance system.
Perhaps it's that OP?
E.g you see a Tesla & want to be in front of it but the gap between you & them is traditionally way too small.
You can now make the move anyway & have confidence that the Tesla if using self driving will see you/back off, & also prevent the driver from closing in on you in a dangerous way, even if they wanted to, due to collision avoidance system.
Perhaps it's that OP?
MC Bodge said:
That was just a typo. I added the indicator bit afterwards. I mirror, signal, check mirrors again and performance a shoulder check before moving over.
Nb. I do not crawl alongside other cars if I can avoid it.
I drive competently and take an interest in the process.
Nb. I do not crawl alongside other cars if I can avoid it.
I drive competently and take an interest in the process.
Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 7th May 11:21
DaveCWK said:
Proliferation of safety & self driving tech means you can take much more liberty than you would dare in the past, with much more confidence that you won't cause (or at least be part of) an accident.
E.g you see a Tesla & want to be in front of it but the gap between you & them is traditionally way too small.
You can now make the move anyway & have confidence that the Tesla if using self driving will see you/back off, & also prevent the driver from closing in on you in a dangerous way, even if they wanted to, due to collision avoidance system.
Perhaps it's that OP?
If one’s driving requires another road user to “take action” then that’s a fail. Whether I’m pulling out in front of a Tesla or not I only go if there’s plenty of space and I can complete the manoeuvre without interrupting the other car’s progress. E.g you see a Tesla & want to be in front of it but the gap between you & them is traditionally way too small.
You can now make the move anyway & have confidence that the Tesla if using self driving will see you/back off, & also prevent the driver from closing in on you in a dangerous way, even if they wanted to, due to collision avoidance system.
Perhaps it's that OP?
Pica-Pica said:
To be honest, it is so easy to predict and anticipate when cars will be moving out - even SWMBO can predict it now!
Agreed - I'm always keeping one eye on the relative speed of vehicles in the next lane to me and you can easily predict when one will need to pull out - I usually make the move first into the outside lane if I'm in lane 2 to give them space to come up to speed.Miserablegit said:
DaveCWK said:
Proliferation of safety & self driving tech means you can take much more liberty than you would dare in the past, with much more confidence that you won't cause (or at least be part of) an accident.
E.g you see a Tesla & want to be in front of it but the gap between you & them is traditionally way too small.
You can now make the move anyway & have confidence that the Tesla if using self driving will see you/back off, & also prevent the driver from closing in on you in a dangerous way, even if they wanted to, due to collision avoidance system.
Perhaps it's that OP?
If one’s driving requires another road user to “take action” then that’s a fail. Whether I’m pulling out in front of a Tesla or not I only go if there’s plenty of space and I can complete the manoeuvre without interrupting the other car’s progress. E.g you see a Tesla & want to be in front of it but the gap between you & them is traditionally way too small.
You can now make the move anyway & have confidence that the Tesla if using self driving will see you/back off, & also prevent the driver from closing in on you in a dangerous way, even if they wanted to, due to collision avoidance system.
Perhaps it's that OP?
Miserablegit said:
If one’s driving requires another road user to “take action” then that’s a fail. Whether I’m pulling out in front of a Tesla or not I only go if there’s plenty of space and I can complete the manoeuvre without interrupting the other car’s progress.
That's exactly what seems to have been lost. Seems to be a culture of : If you're able to start the manoeuvre, its OK to do it and cause others to brake / stop / swerve,
It literally seems to be if there is room to get started, people just go ahead.
Hungrymc said:
Miserablegit said:
If one’s driving requires another road user to “take action” then that’s a fail. Whether I’m pulling out in front of a Tesla or not I only go if there’s plenty of space and I can complete the manoeuvre without interrupting the other car’s progress.
That's exactly what seems to have been lost. Seems to be a culture of : If you're able to start the manoeuvre, its OK to do it and cause others to brake / stop / swerve,
It literally seems to be if there is room to get started, people just go ahead.
t drivers anyway, in my opinion anyway. Sukh13 said:
stevemcs said:
Just poor driving, I had it on the M25 on Sunday a van indicated to come off at a junction and nearly took a merc out, he thought it was his fault but it was the mercs undertaking at a much higher speed.
Why was the car coming off in the overtaking lane if he wasn't travelling faster than the vehicles in the lane to the left?Re. those that box you in, this is so common now, even to the extent that I might sometimes be tempted to repay the favour….
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