RE: Latest Defender gets surprise 350hp diesel

RE: Latest Defender gets surprise 350hp diesel

Wednesday 8th May

Latest Defender gets surprise 350hp diesel

The most powerful Ingenium oil burner was always denied to the Land Rover Defender - until now


There isn’t a whole heap of stuff to get excited about in the MY25 Defender update. There hardly needs to be, of course - the Defender is probably the most likeable car Land Rover currently makes, all things considered. It is still the proverbial hot cake in showrooms, too. Accordingly, this upgrade is mostly about streamlining trim packs and introducing individual ‘Captain Chairs’ to the second row of the 130. Seismic it ain’t. 

Except, perhaps, for the introduction of a ‘powerful, flexible new engine option’ in the shape of the D350. This replaces the current range-topping D300 Ingenium diesel and means that buyers get an uplift of 50hp, alongside 516lb ft of torque - significantly more than you get from the petrol V8. Land Rover doesn’t get bogged down in performance figures, but on the basis that the same unit hustles the latest Range Rover Sport to 62mph in 5.9 seconds (and the ‘old’ 110 D300 managed it in 7.0 seconds) we’re going to split the difference and say that 6.5 seconds sounds reasonable. Which is a handy upgrade in a notoriously heavy SUV. 

For the manufacturer’s part, it suggests that the D350 'helps Defender to be more engaging than ever with greater flexibility and faster responses, meaning everything from overtaking to towing is even more effortless.’ And on the basis that the D300 already delivered a nice line in flexibility, overtaking and towing, we’re inclined to think this is probably the version you’re going to want even allowing for the wanton silliness of the V8 (unless you’ve already put your name down for the potentially epic OCTA). 

Other than the thought of yet more power sluicing from JLR’s melodic straight six, the next most significant thing is probably the introduction of something called the 110 Sedona Edition (pictured). When we tell you that it is called 'Sedona' because Sedona, Arizona provided the inspiration for the paint colour (a deep red hue offset by an Extended Black Pack and 22-inch Gloss Black alloy wheels) you’ll likely have grasped what it’s all about. Which saves us from banging on about it. 

The Captain Chairs in the 130 are more interesting, if only because they’re partly a practical solution. By providing two individual, armrest-equipped chairs for those in the second row, Land Rover can not only claim superior comfort, but also gain for the biggest Defender a proper aisle - which, of course, means unfettered access to the third row as well as letting the poor sod assigned to the middle seat stretch his (or her) legs out. And because there’s still a three-person bench back there, the 130 is still a usable seven-seater. Probably more usable than it was as a eight-seater, in fact. 

Finally, there are those option packs. Most of these are familiar (albeit re-organised), although the one Land Rover is particularly keen to shout about is the new Signature Interior Pack, which, alongside installing heated seats throughout the cabin, also adds material upgrades for improved tactility and new pockets on either side of the centre console. Honestly though we prefer the sound of the new Pro Pack for the Hard Top, which incorporates pretty much everything you’d want to pimp out your commercial-grade Defender, including air suspension and the electrically deployable tow bar. Throw in the D350 lump and you’ve got all the gnarly off-roader you’ll ever need. 


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cib24

Original Poster:

1,118 posts

154 months

Wednesday 8th May
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It is interesting that somehow the old 5.0L supercharged V8 is cleaner than the I6 lean burn petrol engine? Also, a 3 cylinder tasked with lugging a 2.5 tonne car around sounds like a recipe for disaster with that motor.

Master Bean

3,631 posts

121 months

Wednesday 8th May
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cib24 said:
It is interesting that somehow the old 5.0L supercharged V8 is cleaner than the I6 lean burn petrol engine? Also, a 3 cylinder tasked with lugging a 2.5 tonne car around sounds like a recipe for disaster with that motor.
Confused between 3 cylinders and 3 litres?

Oilchange

8,494 posts

261 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Whenever I see that word ‘Ingenium’ I imagine a series of mechanical compromises so severe that the highways will witness explosions of steel and aluminium the moment warranties expire.

Spiros115

352 posts

51 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Whatever the power lump I have to say Land Rover are making possibly the nicest paint options in motoring at the moment, seen loads of new and interesting coloured RR sports and FFRRs, really like that shade too.

chris116

1,115 posts

169 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Master Bean said:
cib24 said:
It is interesting that somehow the old 5.0L supercharged V8 is cleaner than the I6 lean burn petrol engine? Also, a 3 cylinder tasked with lugging a 2.5 tonne car around sounds like a recipe for disaster with that motor.
Confused between 3 cylinders and 3 litres?
The article above doesn't mention it but apparently the PHEV option changes from a 2L 4cyl to a 1.5L 3cyl.

Quite surprised that the 6cyl petrol is replaced with the supercharged V8 for emissions reasons, thought they had stopped making the V8?

LooneyTunes

6,908 posts

159 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Spiros115 said:
Whatever the power lump I have to say Land Rover are making possibly the nicest paint options in motoring at the moment, seen loads of new and interesting coloured RR sports and FFRRs, really like that shade too.
They’re actually quite limited on paint choices on Defender (especially if you don’t want black/grey/silver). There are even restrictions between models within the range.

For example, there’s a dark red that MrsLT wanted on her 110 that for some reason was 130 only.

Spiros115

352 posts

51 months

Wednesday 8th May
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LooneyTunes said:
Spiros115 said:
Whatever the power lump I have to say Land Rover are making possibly the nicest paint options in motoring at the moment, seen loads of new and interesting coloured RR sports and FFRRs, really like that shade too.
They’re actually quite limited on paint choices on Defender (especially if you don’t want black/grey/silver). There are even restrictions between models within the range.

For example, there’s a dark red that MrsLT wanted on her 110 that for some reason was 130 only.
I’ve not even specced one so can’t really comment on the number available (rather the shades I have seen are really quite nice even if limited) but wouldn’t surprise me given the desire by luxury makers to force people into expensive special orders/personalisation.

Rob-s5mok

93 posts

101 months

Wednesday 8th May
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chris116 said:
Master Bean said:
cib24 said:
It is interesting that somehow the old 5.0L supercharged V8 is cleaner than the I6 lean burn petrol engine? Also, a 3 cylinder tasked with lugging a 2.5 tonne car around sounds like a recipe for disaster with that motor.
Confused between 3 cylinders and 3 litres?
The article above doesn't mention it but apparently the PHEV option changes from a 2L 4cyl to a 1.5L 3cyl.

Quite surprised that the 6cyl petrol is replaced with the supercharged V8 for emissions reasons, thought they had stopped making the V8?
I am wondering about the logic in this change. My wife has the 1.5 PHEV set up her Discovery Sport. It's fine but noisy in that car but would be horrible in the Defender I suspect.


redroadster

1,760 posts

233 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Spiros115 said:
Whatever the power lump I have to say Land Rover are making possibly the nicest paint options in motoring at the moment, seen loads of new and interesting coloured RR sports and FFRRs, really like that shade too.
Got to agree ,drive past merc or bmw dealers its a sea of grey and black ⚫️.

jon-yprpe

389 posts

89 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Am I right to assume the D250, 300 and 350 ingeniums are the same hardware with different maps?

A.J.M

7,938 posts

187 months

Wednesday 8th May
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That red was a 130 only shade before, it’s good it’s coming to the 110 as it’s a lovely colour.

The D350 engine is also a nice bonus.
The D300 is a brilliant engine for performance etc.

cobra kid

4,971 posts

241 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Spiros115 said:
Whatever the power lump I have to say Land Rover are making possibly the nicest paint options in motoring at the moment, seen loads of new and interesting coloured RR sports and FFRRs, really like that shade too.
I asked this before and I can't actually remember how people responded - choice of colour, is it purely vanity? All you see when driving is usually the bonnet. So is it mainly a case of "look at me"??

Rostyle

48 posts

76 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Would it be too much trouble to perhaps include the price of the vehicle you are talking about in the article , it's a small matter but fairly important.

oop north

1,599 posts

129 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Rob-s5mok said:
chris116 said:
Master Bean said:
cib24 said:
It is interesting that somehow the old 5.0L supercharged V8 is cleaner than the I6 lean burn petrol engine? Also, a 3 cylinder tasked with lugging a 2.5 tonne car around sounds like a recipe for disaster with that motor.
Confused between 3 cylinders and 3 litres?
The article above doesn't mention it but apparently the PHEV option changes from a 2L 4cyl to a 1.5L 3cyl.

Quite surprised that the 6cyl petrol is replaced with the supercharged V8 for emissions reasons, thought they had stopped making the V8?
I am wondering about the logic in this change. My wife has the 1.5 PHEV set up her Discovery Sport. It's fine but noisy in that car but would be horrible in the Defender I suspect.
Autocar mentions the change to the 1.5/300bhp phev going into the defender in their report on the 2025 model. Seems like a bad idea to me. Just looked at Land Rover configurator and the only changes visible now are loss of six cyl petrol engine and change of v8 from 500 to 525 bhp version

I am also disappointed they are dropping all the non X dynamic choice. That goes against all the proper paint colours they offer - and, really, a “dynamic” defender? Land Rover should be free of the stupid (imho obviously!) trend for the amg/m/sport models to be the “new luxury” bah!

ettore

4,148 posts

253 months

Wednesday 8th May
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We have the D350 engine in our family wagon RRS. Would have to say that it’s a lovely thing - super smooth, refined with a huge gob of torque. It’s also impressively efficient.

Rostyle

48 posts

76 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Had to hop over to Autocar to get the full facts and figures , so probably the biggest sellerbecause of tax purposes, the hybrid has had an engine transplant to the 3 cyl unit from evoque/disco sport . Is that a good thing ? Bad thing ? Very odd omission particularly to focus on a new trim ?

cerb4.5lee

30,904 posts

181 months

Wednesday 8th May
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516Ib/ft torque in this is the same as what is in our GLE400d, and I reckon that it suits this type of heavy car. The GLE always feels quite gutsy at low revs, and as said in the article it also helps with overtaking etc. I do like a torquey feeling engine I have to say.

I think a 3dr Defender is a properly cool car as well.

Taz73

171 posts

13 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Nice colour

GianiCakes

197 posts

74 months

Wednesday 8th May
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For example, there’s a dark red that MrsLT wanted on her 110 that for some reason was 130 only.
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I’m fairly sure that’s the Sedona red shown above. Great colour but previously only available on the 130.

The D250 in my Defender is a great engine but I slightly regret not getting the D300 and the D350 will be a really quite swift car. As far as I know it’s the same engine and a chip upgrade would unlock the extra power. I’m tempted but don’t want to void the warranty. I also think I’d want a brake upgrade to go with that.
LR pricing means that you have to get a higher option pack, of dubious taste and benefit, to get the strongest engine. The marginal cost makes for a less attractive package value wise.

I’d be amazed if they really have dropped the 6 cylinder petrol. That’s the main selling engine in the US.

Edited by GianiCakes on Wednesday 8th May 08:08

GianiCakes

197 posts

74 months

Wednesday 8th May
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And I’m greatly relieved they didn’t go touchscreen only as they have with the RRS and RR.