Teacher guilty of sex with two boys

Teacher guilty of sex with two boys

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ChocolateFrog

25,826 posts

175 months

Saturday 18th May
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BikeBikeBIke said:
Lucky bds.
You wouldn't have been able to build a pedestal high enough if one us had managed to bed a teacher while at school.

I assume she's in for a very long stretch given they'll have to look at it the same way they would if it was a male teacher bedding female students.

andyA700

2,827 posts

39 months

Saturday 18th May
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What do people think of the President Macron situation with his ex teacher, now wife. Should she be put in prison because he was "only" 15?

Internetexplorer

11,796 posts

271 months

Saturday 18th May
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andyA700 said:
What do people think of the President Macron situation with his ex teacher, now wife. Should she be put in prison because he was "only" 15?
71 to 46 is quite the age difference, she was presumably a 40 y/o when he was 15?

Fermit

13,116 posts

102 months

Saturday 18th May
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TheJimi said:
Rufus Stone said:
Fermit said:
OK, enlighten me. I haven't witnessed the whole case, all of the evidence, only the bits the mainstream media wish to report. I repeat, she's a wrong-un, ZERO excuse for her behaviour, she broke the law, and she needs to take whatever punishment is going to come her way. If he's returning to her again and again for sex (presumably) under no duress or force, how is he not a willing participant? If there was duress, blackmail, whatever, then of course, that entirely changes the scenario.

To repeat. There is no excuse for her part in things. Sex with a 15 year old when you're well in to adulthood AND your their teacher is morally wrong, and illegal, and she deserves whatever is coming to her.

Edited by Fermit on Saturday 18th May 09:39
Look at it this way, does a spouse that is beaten enjoy it because they apparently keep going back for more?
I don't necessarily disagree with your position, but I don't think that's a particularly good analogy to support your argument.
Neither do I (speaking as someone who was on the receiving end of a violent partner)

pork911

7,271 posts

185 months

Saturday 18th May
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Rusty Old-Banger said:
pork911 said:
Dagnir said:
pork911 said:
Dagnir said:
pork911 said:
on the list.
The narcissism to think this means anything is wonderfully hilarious.
The scale of the stupidity to misinterpret it that way is astonishing
Because 3 words is such a specific use of language right?


Why don't explain what you meant, then everyone can see my astonishing stupidity?

Edited by Dagnir on Saturday 18th May 07:56
Your need for an explanation means it would anyway be futile.
No, I think he's right. If you want your point to actually be a point then it needs some context. What is "on the list"?

If people don't understand a fairly random 3 word sentence, then that's on you, not them.
Stupid people's stupidity is none of my business.

Fermit

13,116 posts

102 months

Saturday 18th May
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Getragdogleg said:
God Damn it, I 100% agree she was in the wrong because of her position as a teacher.

I have stated that many times.
And for the record, I too have stated that she's a wrong-un more than once, and she deserves what ever punishment is coming her way. All myself and Getragdogleg have surmised is that the pupil may or may not have enjoyed it whilst it lasted. None of us know, I've not spoken with the pupil to get his thoughts, so please Stewie, stop using the two of us to virtue signal.

Dagnir

2,026 posts

165 months

Saturday 18th May
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pork911 said:
Your need for an explanation means it would anyway be futile.
hehe

bitchstewie

51,939 posts

212 months

Saturday 18th May
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And now pointing out that teachers shagging kids is still child abuse even if they might have "enjoyed it whilst it lasted" is virtue signalling.

fking hell hehe

ChevronB19

5,842 posts

165 months

Saturday 18th May
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ChocolateFrog said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
Lucky bds.
You wouldn't have been able to build a pedestal high enough if one us had managed to bed a teacher while at school.

I assume she's in for a very long stretch given they'll have to look at it the same way they would if it was a male teacher bedding female students.
They’ll *have to*? Jesus.

Sticks.

8,827 posts

253 months

Saturday 18th May
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BigMon said:
She had sex with kids. That pretty much covers it.

For all those introducing shade and nuance please refer to point A above.

It's never right and never should be right regardless of whether the child gives consent or not. They are not in a position to give informed consent due to, erm, being a child.
Almost covers it. As a teacher, she is in 'loco parentis' which is essentially the responsibility of treating another person's child as your own.

Defined by the Children's Act 1989 as; 'The duty of care a professional adult has towards children under their supervision, as well as promoting the safety and welfare of the children in their care.'

This is a fundamental breach of the trust parents place in educators, and she ought to have known that. What punishment is right, I don't know, but she should have no further role with children.

Whether the boys were complicit enjoyed it or not is clearly irrelevant.



tim0409

4,492 posts

161 months

Saturday 18th May
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When I read this thread yesterday I wondered how long before the old paedophile versus ephebophilia debate would take….PH delivers once more.

Electro1980

8,429 posts

141 months

Saturday 18th May
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Fermit said:
Getragdogleg said:
God Damn it, I 100% agree she was in the wrong because of her position as a teacher.

I have stated that many times.
And for the record, I too have stated that she's a wrong-un more than once, and she deserves what ever punishment is coming her way. All myself and Getragdogleg have surmised is that the pupil may or may not have enjoyed it whilst it lasted. None of us know, I've not spoken with the pupil to get his thoughts, so please Stewie, stop using the two of us to virtue signal.
It’s irrelevant and victim blaming. They were groomed and assaulted by a person in a position of power and authority. The awful thing is you are trying to diminish the seriousness by bringing this up. Just the same as talking about what a rape victim was wearing. The fact that victim keeps being put in quotes says everything.

Getragdogleg

8,817 posts

185 months

Saturday 18th May
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Rape is by nature Violent and forceful. What the victim was wearing should never come into it.

I struggle to call this case a rape, it's an abuse of position, it's morally wrong and she's in trouble.

Some people get beaten up and don't go to the police, others report a touch as assault.

I'm not worried about the lads in this case but if it was the other way round I would be. I don't know if that's a me problem or a society problem and a perception of the difference of the sexes but hey.


otolith

56,542 posts

206 months

Saturday 18th May
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Getragdogleg said:
Rape is by nature Violent and forceful.
This sort of perception is the reason we are now teaching kids about consent.

Fermit

13,116 posts

102 months

Saturday 18th May
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Electro1980 said:
It’s irrelevant and victim blaming. They were groomed and assaulted by a person in a position of power and authority. The awful thing is you are trying to diminish the seriousness by bringing this up. Just the same as talking about what a rape victim was wearing. The fact that victim keeps being put in quotes says everything.
Right, I'm bowing out of the thread on this note. I am certainly not victim blaming, that's utter tosh. The word 'victim' was put in quotes, as none of us know if he were coerced by her, if he pursued he, or if he was a equal willing participant enjoying the action. Yes, she has committed a crime, as I've said numerous times, she's a wrong un.

Oakey

27,613 posts

218 months

Saturday 18th May
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Fermit said:
Right, I'm bowing out of the thread on this note. I am certainly not victim blaming, that's utter tosh. The word 'victim' was put in quotes, as none of us know if he were coerced by her, if he pursued he, or if he was a equal willing participant enjoying the action. Yes, she has committed a crime, as I've said numerous times, she's a wrong un.
This is the defense the 20yr old rapist tried to use after raping my sister. She was 12.

Give your fking head a wobble

ChevronB19

5,842 posts

165 months

Saturday 18th May
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Incidentally, the Daily Fail has an ‘article’ about females abusing children and describes this case as ‘tragic and disreputable’, along with a whole load of bks seemingly suggesting there are ‘reasons’. There is a tiny bit (as in collosal) amount of hypocrisy going on here, both from the DM and the usual suspects on PH.

Greendubber

13,258 posts

205 months

Saturday 18th May
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Fermit said:
Electro1980 said:
It’s irrelevant and victim blaming. They were groomed and assaulted by a person in a position of power and authority. The awful thing is you are trying to diminish the seriousness by bringing this up. Just the same as talking about what a rape victim was wearing. The fact that victim keeps being put in quotes says everything.
Right, I'm bowing out of the thread on this note. I am certainly not victim blaming, that's utter tosh. The word 'victim' was put in quotes, as none of us know if he were coerced by her, if he pursued he, or if he was a equal willing participant enjoying the action. Yes, she has committed a crime, as I've said numerous times, she's a wrong un.
Blimey.

Probably for the best all round that you do bow out now rather than continuing to dig yourself a bigger hole.


markh1973

1,835 posts

170 months

Saturday 18th May
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Getragdogleg said:
Rape is by nature Violent and forceful. What the victim was wearing should never come into it.

I struggle to call this case a rape, it's an abuse of position, it's morally wrong and she's in trouble.

Some people get beaten up and don't go to the police, others report a touch as assault.

I'm not worried about the lads in this case but if it was the other way round I would be. I don't know if that's a me problem or a society problem and a perception of the difference of the sexes but hey.
Why would you be worried about girls in an equivalent situation but you aren't worried about these boys?

Fermit

13,116 posts

102 months

Saturday 18th May
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Greendubber said:
Fermit said:
Electro1980 said:
It’s irrelevant and victim blaming. They were groomed and assaulted by a person in a position of power and authority. The awful thing is you are trying to diminish the seriousness by bringing this up. Just the same as talking about what a rape victim was wearing. The fact that victim keeps being put in quotes says everything.
Right, I'm bowing out of the thread on this note. I am certainly not victim blaming, that's utter tosh. The word 'victim' was put in quotes, as none of us know if he were coerced by her, if he pursued he, or if he was a equal willing participant enjoying the action. Yes, she has committed a crime, as I've said numerous times, she's a wrong un.
Blimey.

Probably for the best all round that you do bow out now rather than continuing to dig yourself a bigger hole.
Blimey indeed. Did you interview the kid yourself officer? If not then you know no better than I how things unfolded between the pair. Doesn't mean she's any less guilty regardless.