ev at the cost of everything else

[TheDeuce]

Nomme de Plum said:

phil4 said:

Nomme de Plum said:

Maybe those authorities would like to give choice to pedestrians and cyclists to be able to move around more easily and mass transport is far superior to having numerous cars with single occupants for most of the time is simply not viable.

It will in time also reduce noise and pollution from our city centres.

That's exactly what they're thinking. The problem is that places like Oxford Mass transport is politely described as poor, and as a reasonably small city, the need to travel outside it (or indeed into it) is very real. All it does in the short term is kills off the city, as no one is either willing or able to go there, and those inside find their lives very much disturbed, so it becomes an undesirable place to move to. As I say, ICE or EV there's a real threat to a car at all.

'They' are elected councillors that determine city transport needs. Maybe now, after the recent local elections those councillors will mandate an improvement in public transport.

If our lords and masters could just stop saying no to alternative forms of public transport, that could help.. Places like Oxford should be rammed full of people zipping around on Segways and electric scooters, as in most towns and cities across Europe. But alas, it's Britain - so if it's new just ban it in case it leads to people having fun and especially if it carries any form of risk - even it could replace something that carries far greater risk.

We do have trials for e-scooters in Britain, but with strict rules and the trials have been trials for so long now.. I guess the trials are the extent of what we're to be allowed!?

Frankly, I'd rather pop into my town on a Segway in the rain than sit on a bus in the dry.

[moktabe]

Nomme de Plum said:

'They' are elected councillors that determine city transport needs. Maybe now, after the recent local elections those councillors will mandate an improvement in public transport.

Always had my doubts however, you've just proven them....you don't live in the real World.

[dvs_dave]

cerb4.5lee said:

For me there are definitely "two camps" on here especially. I'm not saying that is right by the way, because personally I'd rather be a lover than a fighter(unless someone really upsets me!).

I think because this website started out as a TVR website, you will still have a lot of folk who love noisy engines, however the EV camp do generally seem to struggle with that though, in much the same way that I struggle with cars without engines in them for example.

Also in the same way that if you support Liverpool FC...you're not going to support Manchester United as well if you understand what I mean for example. It can't and shouldn't happen for me, and I don't think that there isn't anything wrong with that either. You just pick the side that you like best/support to me.

Obviously there will be exceptions where you have folk who like both ICE and EV, but I'm not one of them though.

I have a TVR, a petrol V8 Audi, and an EV. I have no difficulty understanding or switching between them, no trouble living with their respective advantages and disadvantages, or any fear about EV’s being the obvious future of the automobile.

I must be a weirdo as I just like cars regardless of the colour of their skin, sorry, I meant propulsion method.

[TheDeuce]

dvs_dave said:

cerb4.5lee said:

For me there are definitely "two camps" on here especially. I'm not saying that is right by the way, because personally I'd rather be a lover than a fighter(unless someone really upsets me!).

I think because this website started out as a TVR website, you will still have a lot of folk who love noisy engines, however the EV camp do generally seem to struggle with that though, in much the same way that I struggle with cars without engines in them for example.

Also in the same way that if you support Liverpool FC...you're not going to support Manchester United as well if you understand what I mean for example. It can't and shouldn't happen for me, and I don't think that there isn't anything wrong with that either. You just pick the side that you like best/support to me.

Obviously there will be exceptions where you have folk who like both ICE and EV, but I'm not one of them though.

I have a TVR, a petrol V8 Audi, and an EV. I have no difficulty understanding or switching between them, no trouble living with their respective advantages and disadvantages, or any fear about EV’s being the obvious future of the automobile.

I must be a weirdo as I just like cars regardless of the colour of their skin, sorry, I meant propulsion method.

It's OK, cerb4 has been regularly popping into the EV forums for ages now, I reckon it's only a matter of time before he gives into the urge of which he doth not speak and takes a fast EV out for test drive

[Boxster5]

Nomme de Plum said:

phil4 said:

While you're all busy worrying about ICE vs EV, there's a very real battle you're overlooking, the one about whether you get to own and drive a car at all.

Cities around the country are doing what they can to dissuade and block cars going into/around/out of the city. Take Oxford and it's bus gates as a good example. I'm not saying this is a foregone conclusion, but no matter whether you prefer EV or ICE, it's another threat to your choice.

Maybe those authorities would like to give choice to pedestrians and cyclists to be able to move around more easily and mass transport is far superior to having numerous cars with single occupants for most of the time is simply not viable.

It will in time also reduce noise and pollution from our city centres.

I think most people would be in favour of clean rapid reliable public transport such as trams like they do in a large number of European towns & cities. However that costs money (lots of it) and no one is prepared to pay for it. The bus service in our village is frequent but only connects into Durham - the buses have actually got older (originally 66 plate single deckers replaced by 62 plate double decker hybrid then they all got sent to London to comply with ULEZ - we now have a mishmash of 54, 07, 08, 59 plate double deckers from all over the country where they’ve basically dumped them on us).
I used to cycle for leisure many years ago but the thoughts of commuting by cycle in the wind & rain in our rubbish country doesn’t bear thinking about. Did I mention we have hills too!
It will take a huge carrot to convince people to get out of their cars.

[Tomo1971]

We live in society where technology moves so fast that people expect everything to be solved in months, not years.

Look back at the early EV's 10 or so years ago vs what we have now in terms of range, battery capacity and charge time - as well as reliability.

Compare that to the same time difference with ICE cars, it took a dam site longer to get where we are today.

You are correct, they are not for everyone the way things are.... as an EV driver (company car) I do hope that the home charging situation can be improved for those in flats or no driveways and Im sure it will - however, we also need to be prepared for governments to incentivise people using more public transport and lose our reliance on personal cars.

Public charging (excl tesla chargers) are expensive and if soley used would be a lot more expensive to fuel than ICE - but in time, that is expected to reduce - more competition and they need to pay for the £millions of investment.

Other zero emission solutions are been explored by various institutes and companies and over the next couple of decades likely to show promise - bio fuels, hydrogen etc - and it maybe that they can fill the gap where EV's will still struggle - no one can see to the future.

[TheDeuce]

Boxster5 said:

I think most people would be in favour of clean rapid reliable public transport such as trams like they do in a large number of European towns & cities. However that costs money (lots of it) and no one is prepared to pay for it. The bus service in our village is frequent but only connects into Durham - the buses have actually got older (originally 66 plate single deckers replaced by 62 plate double decker hybrid then they all got sent to London to comply with ULEZ - we now have a mishmash of 54, 07, 08, 59 plate double deckers from all over the country where they’ve basically dumped them on us).
I used to cycle for leisure many years ago but the thoughts of commuting by cycle in the wind & rain in our rubbish country doesn’t bear thinking about. Did I mention we have hills too!
It will take a huge carrot to convince people to get out of their cars.

I don't think it'll be a carrot, more of a stick... Cars are getting more expensive and the politicians generally seem quite happy to either allow, or actively push that reality. It stands to reason that bit by bit those with lower end incomes will eventually see having a car as unaffordable and then get on... whatever bus there is. Most people will still have access to a car, but I think many households will reduce the number of cars they have over the next decade or so.

That's not 'nice' to think about for many, but I fail to see what is holding the politicians back from continuing to make motoring more costly - that's not an 'EV thing' either, it's a general car thing.

Of course, mankind has only had cars for a relatively short period and there's no reason to expect or demand that such a commodity should be as attainable for virtually everyone as it has been forevermore. Things change. People hate that, but it won't stop.

[Dingu]

Not another thread on this. How many do we need?

[dvs_dave]

Dingu said:

Not another thread on this. How many do we need?

It’s a troll thread, so there you go.

In that vein I think I’m going to start a thread about a new fleet of Grenadier FCEV TV detector vans that the BBC has employed Shamima Begum to manage on a £250k/yr salary. PHer catnip.

Edited by dvs_dave on Thursday 16th May 07:27