The **BOXING** thread (Vol 4)
Discussion
Yazza54 said:
He looks in fantastic shape, anyone judging him on his Ngannou performance is probably a bit of a hater.
I must admit though, I don't really care which way it goes. I am fed up of furys bulls
t.. I need to see one of them do the business, don't care which.
I don't think it'll be a foregone conclusion either way.
I'm fed up of his Fathers bullsI must admit though, I don't really care which way it goes. I am fed up of furys bulls
t.. I need to see one of them do the business, don't care which. I don't think it'll be a foregone conclusion either way.
t.Biker's Nemesis said:
Yazza54 said:
He looks in fantastic shape, anyone judging him on his Ngannou performance is probably a bit of a hater.
I must admit though, I don't really care which way it goes. I am fed up of furys bullst.. I need to see one of them do the business, don't care which.
I don't think it'll be a foregone conclusion either way.
I'm fed up of his Fathers bullsI must admit though, I don't really care which way it goes. I am fed up of furys bulls
t.. I need to see one of them do the business, don't care which. I don't think it'll be a foregone conclusion either way.
t.272BHP said:
Has Canelo got the best chin in boxing history?
He has taken bombs from the best at Welterweight - Light Heavy and no one has even made a dent.
Hard to argue. Golovkin was similarly iron-chinned. Can't think of any more off the top of my head.He has taken bombs from the best at Welterweight - Light Heavy and no one has even made a dent.
Canelo looked very strong and better than he has for a while. Surprised me to be honest but I still think Bivol would beat him again at 175.
Inoue tomorrow. Should be a cracker while it lasts.
Edited by Unreal on Sunday 5th May 17:51
Bright Halo said:
I still think Usyk beats Fury no matter how good Fury looks in training.
Usyk adapts to what ever is in front of him and can engineer a win in real time learning during a fight.
Very few boxers can do this, Ali was a master at it.
Yeah maybe, maybe not. All I'm saying is I can't see it just being a foregone conclusion either way. Fury will go up a lot in my estimations just for turning up. Usyk adapts to what ever is in front of him and can engineer a win in real time learning during a fight.
Very few boxers can do this, Ali was a master at it.
Yazza54 said:
Bright Halo said:
I still think Usyk beats Fury no matter how good Fury looks in training.
Usyk adapts to what ever is in front of him and can engineer a win in real time learning during a fight.
Very few boxers can do this, Ali was a master at it.
Yeah maybe, maybe not. All I'm saying is I can't see it just being a foregone conclusion either way. Fury will go up a lot in my estimations just for turning up. Usyk adapts to what ever is in front of him and can engineer a win in real time learning during a fight.
Very few boxers can do this, Ali was a master at it.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If this guy was 6'4 and 17 stone, he'd be the biggest sports star on the planet. Best P4P fighter by a mile.
55,000 people turned out to watch him tonight, he's already one of the biggest stars in boxing! Think his worldwide rep is catching up now, it would have got there quicker if he hadn't skipped 115 and managed to make fights with the 4 kings there. He just hasn't quite had the dance partners that catapult you to the top of the sport and beyond.Don't know about "best P4P by a mile" the top 3 (I would say the top 4, but I think Canelo has lost a step) are far clear of the rest of the pack (Bivol, Canelo, Tank, Beterbiev etc) but I don't think there's much separating them at all
Usyk is arguably the greatest Cruiserweight of all time, and when he knocks out Fury in a couple of weeks, he's going to go down as one of the best HWs as well. Being able to pendulum step for 12 rounds at 220lbs is something literally nobody else has ever been able to do
Crawford is the best counter puncher in the world. That dominant performance against Spence, previously a top 5 P4P fighter himself, is the best performance by any of the 3
What they all have in common is a rare intelligence in the ring. They are all able to quickly adjust and adapt to seemingly anything their opponent throws at them, and Crawford and Inoue have that killer instinct and spitefulness to boot
It's a privilege to be able to watch all 3 - I don't care what order people have them in, think they are all on the same level and the strongest top 3 P4P we've seen since Mayweather, Pacqiauo and Winky Wright topped it nearly 20 years ago
Pugaris said:
55,000 people turned out to watch him tonight, he's already one of the biggest stars in boxing! Think his worldwide rep is catching up now, it would have got there quicker if he hadn't skipped 115 and managed to make fights with the 4 kings there. He just hasn't quite had the dance partners that catapult you to the top of the sport and beyond.
Don't know about "best P4P by a mile" the top 3 (I would say the top 4, but I think Canelo has lost a step) are far clear of the rest of the pack (Bivol, Canelo, Tank, Beterbiev etc) but I don't think there's much separating them at all
Usyk is arguably the greatest Cruiserweight of all time, and when he knocks out Fury in a couple of weeks, he's going to go down as one of the best HWs as well. Being able to pendulum step for 12 rounds at 220lbs is something literally nobody else has ever been able to do
Crawford is the best counter puncher in the world. That dominant performance against Spence, previously a top 5 P4P fighter himself, is the best performance by any of the 3
What they all have in common is a rare intelligence in the ring. They are all able to quickly adjust and adapt to seemingly anything their opponent throws at them, and Crawford and Inoue have that killer instinct and spitefulness to boot
It's a privilege to be able to watch all 3 - I don't care what order people have them in, think they are all on the same level and the strongest top 3 P4P we've seen since Mayweather, Pacqiauo and Winky Wright topped it nearly 20 years ago
I think P4P discussions are a bit like those about cross-generational contests - just fun really. One thing I'd add to the scoring would be longevity, which is why I'd always put someone like Leonard above a brief great like Curry.Don't know about "best P4P by a mile" the top 3 (I would say the top 4, but I think Canelo has lost a step) are far clear of the rest of the pack (Bivol, Canelo, Tank, Beterbiev etc) but I don't think there's much separating them at all
Usyk is arguably the greatest Cruiserweight of all time, and when he knocks out Fury in a couple of weeks, he's going to go down as one of the best HWs as well. Being able to pendulum step for 12 rounds at 220lbs is something literally nobody else has ever been able to do
Crawford is the best counter puncher in the world. That dominant performance against Spence, previously a top 5 P4P fighter himself, is the best performance by any of the 3
What they all have in common is a rare intelligence in the ring. They are all able to quickly adjust and adapt to seemingly anything their opponent throws at them, and Crawford and Inoue have that killer instinct and spitefulness to boot
It's a privilege to be able to watch all 3 - I don't care what order people have them in, think they are all on the same level and the strongest top 3 P4P we've seen since Mayweather, Pacqiauo and Winky Wright topped it nearly 20 years ago
Bright Halo said:
I still think Usyk beats Fury no matter how good Fury looks in training.
Usyk adapts to what ever is in front of him and can engineer a win in real time learning during a fight.
Very few boxers can do this, Ali was a master at it.
Fury does not know how to lose, he's a winner. People going on about his age, he's younger than Usyk and an actual heavyweight Usyk adapts to what ever is in front of him and can engineer a win in real time learning during a fight.
Very few boxers can do this, Ali was a master at it.
Merc 450 said:
Bright Halo said:
I still think Usyk beats Fury no matter how good Fury looks in training.
Usyk adapts to what ever is in front of him and can engineer a win in real time learning during a fight.
Very few boxers can do this, Ali was a master at it.
Fury does not know how to lose, he's a winner. People going on about his age, he's younger than Usyk and an actual heavyweight Usyk adapts to what ever is in front of him and can engineer a win in real time learning during a fight.
Very few boxers can do this, Ali was a master at it.
Merc 450 said:
Fury does not know how to lose, he's a winner. People going on about his age, he's younger than Usyk and an actual heavyweight
2008 - Ukrainian amateur national champion2008 - European amateur champion
2011 - World amateur champion
2012 - Olympic Gold Medal
2013 - fought 6 and won 6 at the World Series of Boxing
2016 - WBO Cruiserweight World Champion (10 fights into his pro career, a record)
2018 - Undisputed Cruiserweight World Champion
2021 - WBO, WBA, IBF Heavyweight World Champion
Ranked #1 pound-for-pound by The Ring Magazine from May 2022 until June 2022 and from August 2022 until July 2023
Total Amateur record - 350 fights, 335 wins, 15 defeats
Total Professional record - 21 fights, 21 wins
On top of that, he's never been knocked down as a pro, never even been rocked. He's never had to rely on favourable scorecards to be given a win, and he's won every single one of his belts as a professional in his opponent's country
That's Oleksandr Usyk's record
Tell me again, who doesn't know how to lose?
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