Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister

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blueg33 said:

bhstewie said:

And at the other end of the spectrum you have people with a bit of class and dignity even in defeat

https://x.com/andy4wm/status/1786861060764410287

Yep. Good chap, pretty selfless compared to every other politician I have met. He did a lot of good for the West Midlands and will be a major loss. His drive on housing in particular was notable.

That laugh on his face say it all.

[biggles330d]

tamore said:

James6112 said:

"The plan is not working," the former home secretary said, urging the PM to "change course" and swing to the right“
Doesn’t she realise, that nobody votes Tory because Far Right Loons like her were allowed anywhere near government.
Sue Ellen & her type are to blame entirely for the mess they are in today.

as appealing to the electorate as corbs' taking the labour party on a hard left turn.

Yep, the delightful irony of Suella's nonsense. Cons captured by the loony right like her, haemorrhage votes to Lab, Libs, anyone else who is perhaps a bit more centre left, Suella's analysis is that the Cons strategy is wrong and they need to tac right even further. Er.... be my guest. It's pretty much evident to everyone else this is just a waiting game for an election the Cons are going to loose. Quite what they think they have to salvage by waiting a few months is beyond me.

[z4RRSchris]

i do wonder if they do any kind of user research on the voting population that isn't their own paid up party members. It seems not. Appealing to such a tiny minority is just such a stupid thing to do. I say this as an ex tory voter who looks at the current bunch as complete idiots.

rwanda
ulez
"culture war"
trans
the green belt
immigration

are things people don't care about

interest rates
housing availability
labour shortages
nhs waiting lists
energy prices
inflation
schools
the environment, clean air
train prices
water prices
a non corrupt government - ppe fraud, cash for questions, etc

are things people do care about

[S600BSB]

z4RRSchris said:

i do wonder if they do any kind of user research on the voting population that isn't their own paid up party members. It seems not. Appealing to such a tiny minority is just such a stupid thing to do. I say this as an ex tory voter who looks at the current bunch as complete idiots.

rwanda
ulez
"culture war"
trans
the green belt
immigration

are things people don't care about

interest rates
housing availability
labour shortages
nhs waiting lists
energy prices
inflation
schools
the environment, clean air
train prices
water prices
a non corrupt government - ppe fraud, cash for questions, etc

are things people do care about

You are not wrong

[Gecko1978]

biggles330d said:

tamore said:

James6112 said:

"The plan is not working," the former home secretary said, urging the PM to "change course" and swing to the right“
Doesn’t she realise, that nobody votes Tory because Far Right Loons like her were allowed anywhere near government.
Sue Ellen & her type are to blame entirely for the mess they are in today.

as appealing to the electorate as corbs' taking the labour party on a hard left turn.

Yep, the delightful irony of Suella's nonsense. Cons captured by the loony right like her, haemorrhage votes to Lab, Libs, anyone else who is perhaps a bit more centre left, Suella's analysis is that the Cons strategy is wrong and they need to tac right even further. Er.... be my guest. It's pretty much evident to everyone else this is just a waiting game for an election the Cons are going to loose. Quite what they think they have to salvage by waiting a few months is beyond me.

I wonder if it's more a case of sick of the Torys not policy as such but just the people. Green agenda are we all begging for it (I think not), but Rishi winding it back has not helped. Low tax well he has well and truly not done that but labour have never been low tax fans etc.

No it's time for them to go it's not policy it's time. The country has changed post covid and the Torys don't represent that change (I don't know labour do but they are not in power)

[Carl_VivaEspana]

z4RRSchris said:

i do wonder if they do any kind of user research on the voting population that isn't their own paid up party members. It seems not. Appealing to such a tiny minority is just such a stupid thing to do. I say this as an ex tory voter who looks at the current bunch as complete idiots.

it's going to get worse before it gets better.

[EddieSteadyGo]

z4RRSchris said:

i do wonder if they do any kind of user research on the voting population that isn't their own paid up party members. It seems not. Appealing to such a tiny minority is just such a stupid thing to do. I say this as an ex tory voter who looks at the current bunch as complete idiots.

[...List of things z4RRSchris doesn't care about...]

are things people don't care about

[...List of things z4RRSchris does care about...]

are things people do care about

You have to admit it is ironic to complain about the government not doing any research into what matters to people, and then giving two lists of your own personal priorities and declare that it what "people" actually care about.

There is plenty of evidence to suggest lots of people who are not affiliated with any political party care about everything you including on both your lists. There is no single list of people's priorities as it depends upon individual circumstances and perspective.

[President Merkin]

EddieSteadyGo said:

You have to admit it is ironic to complain about the government not doing any research into what matters to people, and then giving two lists of your own personal priorities and declare that it what "people" actually care about.

There is plenty of evidence to suggest lots of people who are not affiliated with any political party care about everything you including on both your lists. There is no single list of people's priorities as it depends upon individual circumstances and perspective.

If it's evidence in the spotlight, the Tories just lost a million councillors & all but one Metro mayor. The good people of the UK too a long hard look at the governing party & told them to do one. That's your evidence. Spin that, Eddie.

[z4RRSchris]

EddieSteadyGo said:

You have to admit it is ironic to complain about the government not doing any research into what matters to people, and then giving two lists of your own personal priorities and declare that it what "people" actually care about.

There is plenty of evidence to suggest lots of people who are not affiliated with any political party care about everything you including on both your lists. There is no single list of people's priorities as it depends upon individual circumstances and perspective.

The below list represents what the Tories are pushing hard, they were just hammered at the local and mayoral elections, and have an approval rating at an all time low. They are on track to be wiped out at the generals. My personal view is they are pushing them as scapegoats and distractions to why they have failed so greatly on the second list.

The second list is things people on the centre right, centre, and centre left DO care about. those are the people you need to follow you in order to win an election. People may not care about all of them, but they are sensible. People may care about some of the first list too, i know my parents care about the green belt (pushed hard by tory Councillors) at the same time as complaining that their kids cant afford a house. Yet the local councillors, and locals, complain about every bit of development. pull up the ladder!

Suella and Co, trying to push the below harder and harder in order to "win the election" is just plain stupid, as if putting 45,000 people on a plane tomorrow to Rwanda will magically improve their ratings 20 points. Its embarrassing.

rwanda
ulez
"culture war"
trans
the green belt
immigration

[bitchstewie]

Reminds me of 2019 when Corbyn got his arse handed to him and a portion of his supporters were convinced the solution was to go further to the left.

It's a very odd form of denial of the clear and measurable reality of the situation.

[EddieSteadyGo]

President Merkin said:

If it's evidence in the spotlight, the Tories just lost a million councillors & all but one Metro mayor. The good people of the UK too a long hard look at the governing party & told them to do one. That's your evidence. Spin that, Eddie.

TBH I'd say the main problem was the government not achieving much on any of their stated priorities, rather than it being evidence that people don't care about those issues.

[Unreal]

z4RRSchris said:

i do wonder if they do any kind of user research on the voting population that isn't their own paid up party members. It seems not. Appealing to such a tiny minority is just such a stupid thing to do. I say this as an ex tory voter who looks at the current bunch as complete idiots.

rwanda
ulez
"culture war"
trans
the green belt
immigration

are things people don't care about

interest rates
housing availability
labour shortages
nhs waiting lists
energy prices
inflation
schools
the environment, clean air
train prices
water prices
a non corrupt government - ppe fraud, cash for questions, etc

are things people do care about

It would be interesting to create a little matrix. In the SE where I live when in the UK the locals would say:

rwanda
"culture war"
trans
the green belt
immigration

are things people DO care about

[Blue62]

bhstewie said:

Incidentally Kuenssberg really is st.

How she got her own show is completely beyond me.

Her elevation was an act of genuflection at a time when the Tory party was threatening the BBC with everything they'd got. She broke the famous lie that came out of Conservative Central at the last election, about a Tory official being thumped by a Labour activist outside Jimmy's hospital in Leeds, it kept the real story about a child spending 24 hours in A&E off the front pages, good old Laura.

Whenever a new public appointment came along Thatcher would famously ask "is he/she one of ours?", in the case of sidemouth Laura the answer is an unequivocal yes, watching her trying desperately to ramp up the Rayner story a couple of weeks ago was comedy gold, when even the Tory minister on the panel agreed it was ridiculous. I like Paul Mason but always felt he was too biased for the BBC, Laura is in the same bracket for me but without the wit or insight. She is left in the shade by journalists like Maitlis and Walk, I think she will be gone if the Tories lose the GE.

[z4RRSchris]

you are firmly in the minority with those views. and the right of the tory party who share your views are going to be destroyed.

those who think the tory right are too tame, and have moved to Reform are going to waste their vote.

[Randy Winkman]

Unreal said:

It would be interesting to create a little matrix. In the SE where I live when in the UK the locals would say:

rwanda
"culture war"
trans
the green belt
immigration

are things people DO care about

I live in SE London and my friends/family/colleagues dont. Except perhaps my 87 year old mother. I guess it depends who you hang about with wherever you are in the UK.

[bitchstewie]

It's the difference between "care about" and "consumed by" IMHO.

[NerveAgent]

I think there a little more nuance to it than that. Plenty of people do care about say immigration, but think the whole Rwanda thing is batst crazy.

[EddieSteadyGo]

Randy Winkman said:

I live in SE London and my friends/family/colleagues dont. Except perhaps my 87 year old mother. I guess it depends who you hang about with wherever you are in the UK.

I bet you were also shocked at people voting for Brexit...

The problem is that we all inhabit our own social bubbles. How many times did someone post on here, "I don't know anyone who is voting for Brexit", or the opposite, "Everyone I know is voting Brexit!"?

But that doesn't mean our own personal list of priorities is more insightful or worthwhile than someone else's.

[bitchstewie]

They've just lost 500 seats Eddie.

That should give some idea how in touch they are with peoples priorities.

[lauda]

Randy Winkman said:

Unreal said:

It would be interesting to create a little matrix. In the SE where I live when in the UK the locals would say:

rwanda
"culture war"
trans
the green belt
immigration

are things people DO care about

I live in SE London and my friends/family/colleagues dont. Except perhaps my 87 year old mother. I guess it depends who you hang about with wherever you are in the UK.

Exactly the same from my perspective. And that runs from my 18 year old niece to my 70-odd year old parents and aunts/uncles.

Most of the people I know are ‘natural’ Tory voters. Firmly middle class and affluent. Not a single person I’ve spoken to has displayed anything but utter contempt for the current government and Tory party.