Junior Doctors' Pay Claim Poll
Poll: Junior Doctors' Pay Claim Poll
Total Members Polled: 1014
Discussion
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By the fifth year of training a doctor’s standard base salary has increased to over £51,000. This places junior doctors amongst the top 15 per cent of earners in the UK within five years of graduation. Further, these salary numbers ignore that when doctors work antisocial hours (such as evenings, nights and weekends) they get paid significantly more. "
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/im-a-junior-do...
9% in line with other public sector workers in fact more than most seems enough.
By the fifth year of training a doctor’s standard base salary has increased to over £51,000. This places junior doctors amongst the top 15 per cent of earners in the UK within five years of graduation. Further, these salary numbers ignore that when doctors work antisocial hours (such as evenings, nights and weekends) they get paid significantly more. "
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/im-a-junior-do...
9% in line with other public sector workers in fact more than most seems enough.
Edited by irc on Tuesday 11th April 09:25
irc said:
On BBC News 24. Junior Doctor - workload increased
"people are living longer, we are the victims of our own success"
Good grief. Almost like she regrets people living longer.
She has a point to a degree. Though longevity seems to be easing back slightly. "people are living longer, we are the victims of our own success"
Good grief. Almost like she regrets people living longer.
But when it comes to their own success, it's not like the individual doctor is having to see more people purely because of longevity. They can only get through what they can get through in a day. An appendix doesn't suddenly take 10% longer to sort because people now live a bit longer.
Whatever you think of 35% they graduate with phenomenal debt
On the other hand with medical school places hugely oversubscribed what motivation does the government have to cough up?
Unless the rhetoric and bluster of them all going to Australia is true, in which case we have a problem heading our way
Cheers
Although the term junior Doctor leads to an image of a young 20-something completely overworked and stressed out
it is much more encompassing than that. In many cases it will include those who graduated years ago but haven't
quite made it to Consultant yet. Many of them will be on £60k plus so £35% will be an additional £20+k.
Although some are literally saving lives, just as many are not because they will be dealing with bad backs/shoulders
and other mobility issues, dealing with wisdom teeth and patching up young kids that have crashed their tricycles.
All very useful and valuable but not in a theatre performing open heart surgery.
it is much more encompassing than that. In many cases it will include those who graduated years ago but haven't
quite made it to Consultant yet. Many of them will be on £60k plus so £35% will be an additional £20+k.
Although some are literally saving lives, just as many are not because they will be dealing with bad backs/shoulders
and other mobility issues, dealing with wisdom teeth and patching up young kids that have crashed their tricycles.
All very useful and valuable but not in a theatre performing open heart surgery.
I think 5 to 9pct makes sense all things given. I don't think doctors earn as much as they should do, you can earn a lot more in different fields without having to be responsible for people's lives but folks go to become doctors for reasons more than money.
The thing is I think with my London hat on, but if you're earning doctor money in other parts of the country you're doing much better. From my quick Google just now i didn't see anything referring to regional pay which doesn't make sense, regular jobs pay differs by location and with good reason.
Also to my knowledge, doctors can do private work alongside which from my experience as a patient they can earn absolutely s
tloads based on hourly rates. If you go down to Princess Margaret hospital there are some incredible cars parked out front.
I guess this is about junior doctors but everyone is in the same kind of boat, and most folks choose their profession. I feel like docs should earn good money but at the same time a lot of them are arrogant morons (my own experience dealing with health issues and misdiagnosis) who don't properly think, and a lot of people suffer as a result.
The thing is I think with my London hat on, but if you're earning doctor money in other parts of the country you're doing much better. From my quick Google just now i didn't see anything referring to regional pay which doesn't make sense, regular jobs pay differs by location and with good reason.
Also to my knowledge, doctors can do private work alongside which from my experience as a patient they can earn absolutely s
tloads based on hourly rates. If you go down to Princess Margaret hospital there are some incredible cars parked out front.I guess this is about junior doctors but everyone is in the same kind of boat, and most folks choose their profession. I feel like docs should earn good money but at the same time a lot of them are arrogant morons (my own experience dealing with health issues and misdiagnosis) who don't properly think, and a lot of people suffer as a result.
I can understand why they need 35%, the poor kids ripped from their parents' arms at 10 years old then forced to undergo training to become a doctor and then treated like a slave forever more with no hope of more money and no idea of what income they will get... Oh no wait, they chose it.....
As with the nurses pay claim, the top figure is a negotiating position. They'll probably accept 5-9% this year but the original position will put a lot of pressure on the yearly pay reviews so that future rises take their pay towards correcting this pay gap. Maybe this latter point will be a proviso of accepting a 5-9% offer. That's certainly how I would negotiate it!
Ashfordian said:
As with the nurses pay claim, the top figure is a negotiating position. They'll probably accept 5-9% this year but the original position will put a lot of pressure on the yearly pay reviews so that future rises take their pay towards correcting this pay gap. Maybe this latter point will be a proviso of accepting a 5-9% offer. That's certainly how I would negotiate it!
Going in with a ludicrous position to start with is a daft tactic IMO. It won't get the public on side, and knowing you're going to have to come down a lot before people will even start to have a sensible discussion just leaves you open to being chipped.numtumfutunch said:
Whatever you think of 35% they graduate with phenomenal debt
On the other hand with medical school places hugely oversubscribed what motivation does the government have to cough up?
Unless the rhetoric and bluster of them all going to Australia is true, in which case we have a problem heading our way
Cheers
I think I read that in Russia if you emigrate you have to repay your training costs, that would put a quick end to going abroad!On the other hand with medical school places hugely oversubscribed what motivation does the government have to cough up?
Unless the rhetoric and bluster of them all going to Australia is true, in which case we have a problem heading our way
Cheers
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