Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?
Discussion
Rufus Stone said:
Mrr T said:
The group you describe are the poorer elderly with health problems. Any suggests on how to solve that. Quite a lot also vote tory.
The Government needs to be honest with them in what the taxpayers can afford. Not doing so just pushes the problem down the road and on to someone else. I seriously doubt any Government has the bottle though.Mrr T said:
The group you describe are the poorer elderly with health problems. Any suggests on how to solve that. Quite a lot also vote tory.
Assisted dying debate looks like a sensible start. There seems little point spending money on people who don't want to be kept alive.A similar approach to people with severe dementia would also have some merit - in my experience it has been a situation which is miserable for the relatives as well as a lousy job for the carers involved.
xeny said:
Mrr T said:
The group you describe are the poorer elderly with health problems. Any suggests on how to solve that. Quite a lot also vote tory.
Assisted dying debate looks like a sensible start. There seems little point spending money on people who don't want to be kept alive.A similar approach to people with severe dementia would also have some merit - in my experience it has been a situation which is miserable for the relatives as well as a lousy job for the carers involved.
President Merkin said:
MC Bodge said:
It's odd that the right wing press seemed to over-exaggerate the dislike for Khan...
Then completely ignore him once the ceiling fell in, Unless I've misinterpreted this & Windsor is now a three way marginal.MC Bodge said:
It's odd that the right wing press seemed to over-exaggerate the dislike for Khan...
To be fair, I don’t think Khan is many people’s cup of tea, but the alternatives leave little to go for. My family (that live in London) agree with ULEZ but can’t stand him. Sadly most of his opposition focussed on getting rid of ULEZ as a protest vote so they were left in a hard choice between their values and ultimately a not very honest man.I used to always vote Conservative, but these days I just dislike all the parties, Reform have pipe dream ideas with a bit of racism mixed in, Labour give some short term benefits but generally hurt in the long term, Conservatives under Rishi appear to have no clear plan, Greens want to take my car away and the Lib Dem’s are just a filler that doesn’t really try.
It’s like picking a pineapple to shove up your behind, they’re all going to hurt you, it’s just a case of choosing which will hurt the least.
It’s like picking a pineapple to shove up your behind, they’re all going to hurt you, it’s just a case of choosing which will hurt the least.
borcy said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
borcy said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Wrong. All that will happen is that after 5, 10, or fifteen years in No 10, The UK public will get fed up with labour, just like they are fed up with the tories now, and vote the tories in again.
Labour had a150 seat majority when they were last in power, They still got massively kicked out in the last GE.
You don't seriously believe that all those tory voters, who cannot or will not vote tory in this years GE, are going to vote labour in this years farce do you?
And so the process goes on.
All I can say is if labour `do' honour all the promises `they' have made in the run up to this years election, we will all be in the land of milk and honey.
The only problem is, that this is what all parties in the last 50 years have been promising us, and not one, NOT ONE of them has delivered on their promises. and made the situation for the UK public any better.
Those that actually think they will, are just grasping at non existent straws.
We should all stop voting?Labour had a150 seat majority when they were last in power, They still got massively kicked out in the last GE.
You don't seriously believe that all those tory voters, who cannot or will not vote tory in this years GE, are going to vote labour in this years farce do you?
And so the process goes on.
All I can say is if labour `do' honour all the promises `they' have made in the run up to this years election, we will all be in the land of milk and honey.
The only problem is, that this is what all parties in the last 50 years have been promising us, and not one, NOT ONE of them has delivered on their promises. and made the situation for the UK public any better.
Those that actually think they will, are just grasping at non existent straws.
`You' might well find someone `you' can vote for, others may have a different view. Why on Earth would `expect' others to do as you do?
borcy said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
borcy said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Wrong. All that will happen is that after 5, 10, or fifteen years in No 10, The UK public will get fed up with labour, just like they are fed up with the tories now, and vote the tories in again.
Labour had a150 seat majority when they were last in power, They still got massively kicked out in the last GE.
You don't seriously believe that all those tory voters, who cannot or will not vote tory in this years GE, are going to vote labour in this years farce do you?
And so the process goes on.
All I can say is if labour `do' honour all the promises `they' have made in the run up to this years election, we will all be in the land of milk and honey.
The only problem is, that this is what all parties in the last 50 years have been promising us, and not one, NOT ONE of them has delivered on their promises. and made the situation for the UK public any better.
Those that actually think they will, are just grasping at non existent straws.
We should all stop voting?Labour had a150 seat majority when they were last in power, They still got massively kicked out in the last GE.
You don't seriously believe that all those tory voters, who cannot or will not vote tory in this years GE, are going to vote labour in this years farce do you?
And so the process goes on.
All I can say is if labour `do' honour all the promises `they' have made in the run up to this years election, we will all be in the land of milk and honey.
The only problem is, that this is what all parties in the last 50 years have been promising us, and not one, NOT ONE of them has delivered on their promises. and made the situation for the UK public any better.
Those that actually think they will, are just grasping at non existent straws.
Having said that, we don't vote for the same 'parties' as such each time, because obviously the people have changed, in my lifetime they have changed considerably.
Pan Pan Pan said:
borcy said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
borcy said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Wrong. All that will happen is that after 5, 10, or fifteen years in No 10, The UK public will get fed up with labour, just like they are fed up with the tories now, and vote the tories in again.
Labour had a150 seat majority when they were last in power, They still got massively kicked out in the last GE.
You don't seriously believe that all those tory voters, who cannot or will not vote tory in this years GE, are going to vote labour in this years farce do you?
And so the process goes on.
All I can say is if labour `do' honour all the promises `they' have made in the run up to this years election, we will all be in the land of milk and honey.
The only problem is, that this is what all parties in the last 50 years have been promising us, and not one, NOT ONE of them has delivered on their promises. and made the situation for the UK public any better.
Those that actually think they will, are just grasping at non existent straws.
We should all stop voting?Labour had a150 seat majority when they were last in power, They still got massively kicked out in the last GE.
You don't seriously believe that all those tory voters, who cannot or will not vote tory in this years GE, are going to vote labour in this years farce do you?
And so the process goes on.
All I can say is if labour `do' honour all the promises `they' have made in the run up to this years election, we will all be in the land of milk and honey.
The only problem is, that this is what all parties in the last 50 years have been promising us, and not one, NOT ONE of them has delivered on their promises. and made the situation for the UK public any better.
Those that actually think they will, are just grasping at non existent straws.
`You' might well find someone `you' can vote for, others may have a different view. Why on Earth would `expect' others to do as you do?
Carl_VivaEspana said:
PPP has a point about manifestos and there is a sneaking suspicion that Labours intent not to raise the overall tax burden will be ditched once they realise how screwed the economy is…..and raise taxes anyway,
Its not is much that they will have to raise taxes, its how they might do it and what the longterm unintended consequences of that are.(See G Brown & the raid on the pension funds & also G Osborne and his antics with the LTA.)
Politicians don't look past the end of next week with this stuff.
I don't doubt Ms Reeves is currently drooling over the idea of raiding the country's pension funds if she can find a way to do it (after all, most people aren't retired so they won't notice that
)Perhaps she'll have a go at ISA's instead?
The only thing we know they plan to do so far is VAT on private school fees where it has already been shown that it will very likely cost money. Its also clear that it has the potential to disrupt the state sector as well but there appears to be little or no care or recognition of that.
Wombat3 said:
Its not is much that they will have to raise taxes, its how they might do it and what the longterm unintended consequences of that are.
(See G Brown & the raid on the pension funds & also G Osborne and his antics with the LTA.)
Politicians don't look past the end of next week with this stuff.
I don't doubt Ms Reeves is currently drooling over the idea of raiding the country's pension funds if she can find a way to do it (after all, most people aren't retired so they won't notice that )
Perhaps she'll have a go at ISA's instead?
The only thing we know they plan to do so far is VAT on private school fees where it has already been shown that it will very likely cost money. Its also clear that it has the potential to disrupt the state sector as well but there appears to be little or no care or recognition of that.
Might do this, might do that. (See G Brown & the raid on the pension funds & also G Osborne and his antics with the LTA.)
Politicians don't look past the end of next week with this stuff.
I don't doubt Ms Reeves is currently drooling over the idea of raiding the country's pension funds if she can find a way to do it (after all, most people aren't retired so they won't notice that
)Perhaps she'll have a go at ISA's instead?
The only thing we know they plan to do so far is VAT on private school fees where it has already been shown that it will very likely cost money. Its also clear that it has the potential to disrupt the state sector as well but there appears to be little or no care or recognition of that.
Spreading fear without facts.
Might do this, might do that.
It hasn’t been shown that it will cost money. Not even “very likely”. Because that’s a twisty phrase.
It is not also clear that it has the potential to do anything. That’s also a false jump in reasoning.
You’re basically a fear monger on potentialities without strong probabilities.
All that said, odds on expect more taxes as the elderly population isn’t getting any younger and that’s it.
It is amazing that there are still a few people who will vote for the Tories (presumably people who live on a news diet of nothing but the Daily Express/Mail and social media memes). What is even more amazing is that there are a few people who see Reform UK as the answer to Tory decline, given that they are like the modern Tories, but moreso.
Edited by MC Bodge on Monday 6th May 17:54
cheesejunkie said:
Wombat3 said:
Its not is much that they will have to raise taxes, its how they might do it and what the longterm unintended consequences of that are.
(See G Brown & the raid on the pension funds & also G Osborne and his antics with the LTA.)
Politicians don't look past the end of next week with this stuff.
I don't doubt Ms Reeves is currently drooling over the idea of raiding the country's pension funds if she can find a way to do it (after all, most people aren't retired so they won't notice that )
Perhaps she'll have a go at ISA's instead?
The only thing we know they plan to do so far is VAT on private school fees where it has already been shown that it will very likely cost money. Its also clear that it has the potential to disrupt the state sector as well but there appears to be little or no care or recognition of that.
Might do this, might do that. (See G Brown & the raid on the pension funds & also G Osborne and his antics with the LTA.)
Politicians don't look past the end of next week with this stuff.
I don't doubt Ms Reeves is currently drooling over the idea of raiding the country's pension funds if she can find a way to do it (after all, most people aren't retired so they won't notice that
)Perhaps she'll have a go at ISA's instead?
The only thing we know they plan to do so far is VAT on private school fees where it has already been shown that it will very likely cost money. Its also clear that it has the potential to disrupt the state sector as well but there appears to be little or no care or recognition of that.
Spreading fear without facts.
Might do this, might do that.
It hasn’t been shown that it will cost money. Not even “very likely”. Because that’s a twisty phrase.
It is not also clear that it has the potential to do anything. That’s also a false jump in reasoning.
You’re basically a fear monger on potentialities without strong probabilities.
All that said, odds on expect more taxes as the elderly population isn’t getting any younger and that’s it.
Like I said, they will have to get money from somewhere. Liklihood is (like all politicians) they will f
k other things up in the process because they don't seem to think things through. They also like to follow the path of least resistance. They are not going to just whack it on the basic rate of income tax or stick VAT upto 30% are they?? (despite the fact that its the easiest way to raise the most money)As to the PE VAT thing,. there are a number of reports out there that put the cost at somewhere in the order of £1.6Bn if I recall, go DYOR
On second thought, from your contributions to the relevant thread, you are not capable of joining the dots on that stuff, so maybe don't bother, it probably won't make any sense to you. (And for clarity I have no dog in that fight, my children are long past school age).
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