Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12

[alangla]

Another Sunday, another couple of interesting SNP stories in the Sunday Mail
Police consider SNP stolen goods charges https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/s...

Nicola Sturgeon allies “plotted to oust Humza Yousaf” over reports of meeting with Alba MSP https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/n...

This is becoming a regular thing in that rag…

[Evercross]

Latest Panelbase opinion poll puts SNP voting intentions at the General Election at 29% (this was conducted after Yousaf's resignation announcement and Swinney's bid for leadership).

Below 30% is the 'off a cliff' point for the FPTP voting system. This means that a handful of votes in constituencies could be the difference between the SNP having seats in the mid-teens or as low as single figures.

[sherman]

Looks like we may have a ledfership contest.
Graeme McCormic. He is about as loony as they come.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-leaders...

[alangla]

sherman said:

Looks like we may have a ledfership contest.
Graeme McCormic. He is about as loony as they come.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-leaders...

If he’s allowed to stand (though no doubt the people in grey kilts are doing all they can to ensure he doesn’t), then does that mean there’s no bar to Flynn becoming leader while an MP? I’d understood the situation as non-MSPs were effectively barred by the party standing orders.

[sherman]

alangla said:

sherman said:

Looks like we may have a ledfership contest.
Graeme McCormic. He is about as loony as they come.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-leaders...

If he’s allowed to stand (though no doubt the people in grey kilts are doing all they can to ensure he doesn’t), then does that mean there’s no bar to Flynn becoming leader while an MP? I’d understood the situation as non-MSPs were effectively barred by the party standing orders.

If he has the backing of enough people there should be no reason to bar him.
SNP is the party of inclusivity is it not?

[Evercross]

alangla said:

sherman said:

Looks like we may have a ledfership contest.
Graeme McCormic. He is about as loony as they come.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-leaders...

If he’s allowed to stand (though no doubt the people in grey kilts are doing all they can to ensure he doesn’t), then does that mean there’s no bar to Flynn becoming leader while an MP? I’d understood the situation as non-MSPs were effectively barred by the party standing orders.

He can stand as and be elected as leader of the SNP. He just cannot become First Minister of Scotland.

[Klippie]

This is a good read, no wonder she moved over to the Conservatives, the SNP it would seem is a toxic pit of hate towards anyone who strays from the party beliefs...rotten to the core would be a good description,

I wonder if the same is happening to Kate Forbes and maybe is she is having similar thoughts about bailing out.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/05/li...

[irc]

It's a cult. Cults don't tolerate dissent.

[Gecko1978]

Gramae McCormic sounds perfect I hope he gets elected

[Klippie]

Watch this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIcWkV90LvE&t=...

The audience weren't buying it.

[Yahonza]

Gecko1978 said:

Gramae McCormic sounds perfect I hope he gets elected

Been talked (strong armed) out of it apparently.
Oh well.

[reddiesel]

sherman said:

If he has the backing of enough people there should be no reason to bar him.
SNP is the party of inclusivity is it not?

I fear for many its rapidly becoming the Party of irrelevance along with the realisation that an Independent Scotland would amount to disaster . Starmer and Labour will be elected , a few crumbs will land on the " Scottish Table " and it will be back to the future .
There is also a real tragedy playing out south of the border and I accept it won't get much sympathy from the Scottish people . Governments lose Elections rather than Oppositions win them and this old saying was never more apt than it is now .

[StescoG66]

Klippie said:

This is a good read, no wonder she moved over to the Conservatives, the SNP it would seem is a toxic pit of hate towards anyone who strays from the party beliefs...rotten to the core would be a good description,

I wonder if the same is happening to Kate Forbes and maybe is she is having similar thoughts about bailing out.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/05/li...

That actually is a damn good read, and probably confirms what many on here said ages ago - and which the usual fanboy suspects denied was happening..... More coverage should be given to it, but maybe she doesn’t want to which is understandable in the circumstances. Poor girl, my heart goes out to her.

Shades of fascism inside that there SNP to my mind,

[alangla]

reddiesel said:

I fear for many its rapidly becoming the Party of irrelevance along with the realisation that an Independent Scotland would amount to disaster . Starmer and Labour will be elected , a few crumbs will land on the " Scottish Table " and it will be back to the future .
There is also a real tragedy playing out south of the border and I accept it won't get much sympathy from the Scottish people . Governments lose Elections rather than Oppositions win them and this old saying was never more apt than it is now .

This.
The big problem in Scotland just now is that behind most of the loopy SNP policies there’s a pile of Labour and Lib Dem votes. The Tories are not going to be able to make the inroads into the Central Belt that would be needed to win an election, so one does wonder what would actually change after 2026 other than the attitude to independence.

[irc]

alangla said:

This.
The big problem in Scotland just now is that behind most of the loopy SNP policies there’s a pile of Labour and Lib Dem votes. The Tories are not going to be able to make the inroads into the Central Belt that would be needed to win an election, so one does wonder what would actually change after 2026 other than the attitude to independence.

A new govt would at least have the advantage of having good govt rather than indy as it's top priority.

They will have the issue that the SNP have pawned the family silver committing the govt to higher than rUK public sector salaries and higher Scottish benefits. Easy to spend. Hard to cut.

[alangla]

irc said:

A new govt would at least have the advantage of having good govt rather than indy as it's top priority.

They will have the issue that the SNP have pawned the family silver committing the govt to higher than rUK public sector salaries and higher Scottish benefits. Easy to spend. Hard to cut.

Would it? Given the way Labour have voted in favour of most of the SNP’s daft policies, I’d suggest there’s a reasonable chance that further ultra progressive virtue signalling may well take priority over the mundane stuff like fixing the knackered health & education systems, sorting out council finances and re-aligning the tax system, though Labour campaign material seems to suggest the last of those will be a policy. I also can’t really see Scottish Labour having a fight with the unions on public sector pay, or privatising/closing Prestwick, BiFab or Ferguson’s.

Sorry to be depressing on a Bank Holiday morning

[Rick_1138]

Klippie said:

Watch this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIcWkV90LvE&t=...

The audience weren't buying it.

Is the bit in that show about if we had a sGE tomorrow, we still need to have the one planned in 2026 anyway.

Why is that, seems a bit daft.

[NoddyonNitrous]

Is this genuine? Did it happen? Good effort if it is!

[hidetheelephants]

If it's a 'shop it's a bloody convincing one.

[Mammasaid]

Looks like it's real