Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)
Discussion
Cool story bro etc etc but sat in the pub next to my office yesterday for a Friday pint only to see Keir sat at the table a few along. I said to the barman, “is that who I think it is?” To which he asked, “who?”. When I said the name he had no idea who I was referring to. Shows the irrelevance of British politicians to the masses. There were some scary statistics on this on The Rest is Politics only a few weeks ago that Rory Stewart delivered and Alistair Campbell was shocked to learn.
Cool story bro etc.
Cool story bro etc.
Any party that gets an 80 seat majority, but which then does not do, what the people who gave it that 80 seat majority (some of whom changed from voting labour to tory) wanted it to do, deserves everything it gets.
We must bear in mind, that labour got a150+ seat majority when they last got into No10, but that did not stop them from getting kicked out in the last GE. If they are to have any credibility, they MUST deliver on ALL their promises to do things better than the tories have done. The moment they fail to do this, will prove that as usual, they factually, are no better than the tories.
Any party, that uses the word `democrats' in its title, but which tries to ignore, or overturn the result of a country wide, democratic peoples vote, because the result of that vote was not the one `they' wanted, can never be trusted, or allowed near the keys of number 10.
Interesting times lay ahead for politics in the UK.
We must bear in mind, that labour got a150+ seat majority when they last got into No10, but that did not stop them from getting kicked out in the last GE. If they are to have any credibility, they MUST deliver on ALL their promises to do things better than the tories have done. The moment they fail to do this, will prove that as usual, they factually, are no better than the tories.
Any party, that uses the word `democrats' in its title, but which tries to ignore, or overturn the result of a country wide, democratic peoples vote, because the result of that vote was not the one `they' wanted, can never be trusted, or allowed near the keys of number 10.
Interesting times lay ahead for politics in the UK.
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Saturday 4th May 10:27
Locals, whilst may give an indication of protest, cannot totally be extrapolated into a GE with the biggest reason being that smaller parties and independents will not convert local results into national gains.
The Greens did well yesterday. Will that mean they’ll win 20 or 30 seats come election time? No, of course not. Same with independents, they’ll score single digit percentage returns in their respective constituencies despite doing well yesterday.
This will be a straight fight between Labour and the Tories come the GE. Labour will have their vote nibbled a bit but nothing to the extent of the Tories who have to deal with Reform and disillusioned stay at home Tories.
Labour will be happy how yesterday went and not just because they performed well but that the Tories did very badly losing over half their respective councillors and it also highlights where labour need to focus its messaging (esp around Gaza which lost them a few councillors to independents) whereas Tories still push its ‘red meat’ agenda of Rwanda, etc much to the chagrin of local Tory councillors.
Still, London today. Could prove interesting…
The Greens did well yesterday. Will that mean they’ll win 20 or 30 seats come election time? No, of course not. Same with independents, they’ll score single digit percentage returns in their respective constituencies despite doing well yesterday.
This will be a straight fight between Labour and the Tories come the GE. Labour will have their vote nibbled a bit but nothing to the extent of the Tories who have to deal with Reform and disillusioned stay at home Tories.
Labour will be happy how yesterday went and not just because they performed well but that the Tories did very badly losing over half their respective councillors and it also highlights where labour need to focus its messaging (esp around Gaza which lost them a few councillors to independents) whereas Tories still push its ‘red meat’ agenda of Rwanda, etc much to the chagrin of local Tory councillors.
Still, London today. Could prove interesting…
Shnozz said:
Cool story bro etc etc but sat in the pub next to my office yesterday for a Friday pint only to see Keir sat at the table a few along. I said to the barman, “is that who I think it is?” To which he asked, “who?”. When I said the name he had no idea who I was referring to. Shows the irrelevance of British politicians to the masses. There were some scary statistics on this on The Rest is Politics only a few weeks ago that Rory Stewart delivered and Alistair Campbell was shocked to learn.
Cool story bro etc.
What scary stats?Cool story bro etc.
Wombat3 said:
C4ME said:
s1962a said:
Life will get more expensive under Labour. VAT on private school fees is a big issue for some.
There are approx half a million kids in private schools (approx 6%). It will barely register for most of the population.
Till a sizeable chunk of those 6% turn up wanting places in your local schools & classes have to get bigger as a result. Then the private schools that remain start charging for or withdraw access to the free use of their facilities & get even more elitest.
This is an emotive issue for people with kids in private schools but it is not a major time bomb for the country. If it was it would not be in the Labour manifesto. The voting intentions of those directly effected will also have zero to little impact on the election result. There will be more people who vote for Labour because of it than those who vote against Labour because of it.
PS The private sector will continue to operate and succeed afterwards IMO.
President Merkin said:
Anyway, moving on from the public school whingers, I think the question in the thread is well & truly answered. Good work boys, all the trans/hate marches/BLM/Rwanda/ULEZ/School dinners/taking a knee s
t really paid off.
Interesting isn't it? Almost as if the daily Two Minutes Hate hasn't paid off.t really paid off.Similar thing with Hall in London where from what I saw there didn't seem to be a particularly positive message it was just anti-Khan messaging with some rather grubby social media stuff.
I'm a bit surprised if Andy Street loses the West Midlands though as I thought he was pretty well regarded.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:President Merkin said:
Anyway, moving on from the public school whingers, I think the question in the thread is well & truly answered. Good work boys, all the trans/hate marches/BLM/Rwanda/ULEZ/School dinners/taking a knee st really paid off.
Interesting isn't it? Almost as if the daily Two Minutes Hate hasn't paid off.t really paid off.Similar thing with Hall in London where from what I saw there didn't seem to be a particularly positive message it was just anti-Khan messaging with some rather grubby social media stuff.
I'm a bit surprised if Andy Street loses the West Midlands though as I thought he was pretty well regarded.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Sorry but which part of any of that is a "right-on conspiracy theory"?
Go read Braverman today in the Telegraph.
Even after the utter kicking they've just had she's saying it'll all be fine if only they promise to leave the ECHR and double-down on the trans stuff in schools.
We see posts in a similar vein on here in the last few pages.Go read Braverman today in the Telegraph.
Even after the utter kicking they've just had she's saying it'll all be fine if only they promise to leave the ECHR and double-down on the trans stuff in schools.
Nothing is certain of course, but I think the current Sunak government has a very strong, pungent whiff similar to the last Major one. It very much seems to electorate are thirsting to give the incumbents a whuppin'.
And, for the hard of reading, this is no way an endorsement of Starmer and Labour as I shall, as I keep repeating, be voting for no one apart from a decent independent.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Sorry but which part of any of that is a "right-on conspiracy theory"?
Go read Braverman today in the Telegraph.
Even after the utter kicking they've just had she's saying it'll all be fine if only they promise to leave the ECHR and double-down on the trans stuff in schools.
I heard her speaking on R4 the other week. She actually began quite sensibly, then became increasingly ridiculous. Go read Braverman today in the Telegraph.
Even after the utter kicking they've just had she's saying it'll all be fine if only they promise to leave the ECHR and double-down on the trans stuff in schools.
I was trying to decide whether or not she actually believed what she was saying.
I decided that she quite probably did....
MC Bodge said:
I heard her speaking on R4 the other week. She actually began quite sensibly, then became increasingly ridiculous.
I was trying to decide whether or not she actually believed what she was saying.
I decided that she quite probably did....
Braverman blethering away on 5 Live saying these are terrible results and she thinks a Labour government is almost inevitable and 'fills her with horror'.I was trying to decide whether or not she actually believed what she was saying.
I decided that she quite probably did....
Doubtless trying to position herself to try and get a leadership position.
It reminds me of Corbyn and Momentum. Obviously a massive electoral defeat means the electorate are thirsting for more. harder-right policies from the likes of Braverman and the Tufton Street deplorables.
BigMon said:
It reminds me of Corbyn and Momentum. Obviously a massive electoral defeat means the electorate are thirsting for more. harder-right policies from the likes of Braverman and the Tufton Street deplorables.
Braverman could well be right though.UK is simply in a different political cycle from Europe that is all. The right and the far right are making inroads into pretty much all EU countries. One term with Labour in power could well push the UK in that direction as well.
272BHP said:
Braverman could well be right though.
UK is simply in a different political cycle from Europe that is all. The right and the far right are making inroads into pretty much all EU countries. One term with Labour in power could well push the UK in that direction as well.
I find that very alarming, but what will be will be.UK is simply in a different political cycle from Europe that is all. The right and the far right are making inroads into pretty much all EU countries. One term with Labour in power could well push the UK in that direction as well.
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff