Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)

[MC Bodge]

BigMon said:

MC Bodge said:

I heard her speaking on R4 the other week. She actually began quite sensibly, then became increasingly ridiculous.

I was trying to decide whether or not she actually believed what she was saying.

I decided that she quite probably did....

Braverman blethering away on 5 Live saying these are terrible results and she thinks a Labour government is almost inevitable and 'fills her with horror'.

Doubtless trying to position herself to try and get a leadership position.

It reminds me of Corbyn and Momentum. Obviously a massive electoral defeat means the electorate are thirsting for more. harder-right policies from the likes of Braverman and the Tufton Street deplorables.

Appealling to mad, elderly, affluent Tory members and some PHers might get her elected as party leader if she can sound harsh enough on "foreigners" abd abandoning the ECHR, but the wider population are unlikely to be impressed.

The people of the UK being more concerned about the real things that affect them, rather than bogeymen.

[MC Bodge]

272BHP said:

Braverman could well be right though.

UK is simply in a different political cycle from Europe that is all. The right and the far right are making inroads into pretty much all EU countries. One term with Labour in power could well push the UK in that direction as well.

You can only hope, eh?

[272BHP]

MC Bodge said:

You can only hope, eh?

Predictable comment.

[S600BSB]

MC Bodge said:

BigMon said:

MC Bodge said:

I heard her speaking on R4 the other week. She actually began quite sensibly, then became increasingly ridiculous.

I was trying to decide whether or not she actually believed what she was saying.

I decided that she quite probably did....

Braverman blethering away on 5 Live saying these are terrible results and she thinks a Labour government is almost inevitable and 'fills her with horror'.

Doubtless trying to position herself to try and get a leadership position.

It reminds me of Corbyn and Momentum. Obviously a massive electoral defeat means the electorate are thirsting for more. harder-right policies from the likes of Braverman and the Tufton Street deplorables.

Appealling to mad, elderly, affluent Tory members and some PHers might get her elected as party leader if she can sound harsh enough on "foreigners" abd abandoning the ECHR, but the wider population are unlikely to be impressed.

The people of the UK being more concerned about the real things that affect them, rather than bogeymen.

Definitely the mad and elderly.

[Vanden Saab]

S600BSB said:

MC Bodge said:

BigMon said:

MC Bodge said:

I heard her speaking on R4 the other week. She actually began quite sensibly, then became increasingly ridiculous.

I was trying to decide whether or not she actually believed what she was saying.

I decided that she quite probably did....

Braverman blethering away on 5 Live saying these are terrible results and she thinks a Labour government is almost inevitable and 'fills her with horror'.

Doubtless trying to position herself to try and get a leadership position.

It reminds me of Corbyn and Momentum. Obviously a massive electoral defeat means the electorate are thirsting for more. harder-right policies from the likes of Braverman and the Tufton Street deplorables.

Appealling to mad, elderly, affluent Tory members and some PHers might get her elected as party leader if she can sound harsh enough on "foreigners" abd abandoning the ECHR, but the wider population are unlikely to be impressed.

The people of the UK being more concerned about the real things that affect them, rather than bogeymen.

Definitely the mad and elderly.

Yes blame it on them.

[turbobloke]

Vanden Saab said:

S600BSB said:

MC Bodge said:

BigMon said:

MC Bodge said:

I heard her speaking on R4 the other week. She actually began quite sensibly, then became increasingly ridiculous.

I was trying to decide whether or not she actually believed what she was saying.

I decided that she quite probably did....

Braverman blethering away on 5 Live saying these are terrible results and she thinks a Labour government is almost inevitable and 'fills her with horror'.

Doubtless trying to position herself to try and get a leadership position.

It reminds me of Corbyn and Momentum. Obviously a massive electoral defeat means the electorate are thirsting for more. harder-right policies from the likes of Braverman and the Tufton Street deplorables.

Appealling to mad, elderly, affluent Tory members and some PHers might get her elected as party leader if she can sound harsh enough on "foreigners" abd abandoning the ECHR, but the wider population are unlikely to be impressed.

The people of the UK being more concerned about the real things that affect them, rather than bogeymen.

Definitely the mad and elderly.

Yes blame it on them.

Then again that could be a point, I have a great nephew (well, they're ok) who thinks anyone over 20 is mad and elderly. He may hold that view for a few more years yet.

[S600BSB]

turbobloke said:

Vanden Saab said:

S600BSB said:

MC Bodge said:

BigMon said:

MC Bodge said:

I heard her speaking on R4 the other week. She actually began quite sensibly, then became increasingly ridiculous.

I was trying to decide whether or not she actually believed what she was saying.

I decided that she quite probably did....

Braverman blethering away on 5 Live saying these are terrible results and she thinks a Labour government is almost inevitable and 'fills her with horror'.

Doubtless trying to position herself to try and get a leadership position.

It reminds me of Corbyn and Momentum. Obviously a massive electoral defeat means the electorate are thirsting for more. harder-right policies from the likes of Braverman and the Tufton Street deplorables.

Appealling to mad, elderly, affluent Tory members and some PHers might get her elected as party leader if she can sound harsh enough on "foreigners" abd abandoning the ECHR, but the wider population are unlikely to be impressed.

The people of the UK being more concerned about the real things that affect them, rather than bogeymen.

Definitely the mad and elderly.

Yes blame it on them.

Then again that could be a point, I have a great nephew (well, they're ok) who thinks anyone over 20 is mad and elderly. He may hold that view for a few more years yet.

I think that is a bit harsh TB! Still, it’s the mad, elderly Tory membership that thought Boris and Truss were a good idea. Happy days.

[DeejRC]

Well I think you might find the country at large considered Boris a good idea. He has been a very successful vote winning politician.
I also most know - and have only known - very different old ppl to the rest of you. I’ve lived all over the UK, up north, midlands, SE, SW, Wales (I’ll give you Scotland) and I’ve yet to meet a single older person who cared more about any other aspect of politics/society than their pension/money. Even policemen’s getting younger always came second to pension/money conversations. Never once did ECHR or foreigners come into it. Or refugees.

[BikeBikeBIke]

DeejRC said:

Well I think you might find the country at large considered Boris a good idea. He has been a very successful vote winning politician.

His approval ratings were dire by the time he was party leader, all his political capital long sonce spent. He won a General Election purely because he was up against Corbyn.

[S600BSB]

DeejRC said:

Well I think you might find the country at large considered Boris a good idea. He has been a very successful vote winning politician.
I also most know - and have only known - very different old ppl to the rest of you. I’ve lived all over the UK, up north, midlands, SE, SW, Wales (I’ll give you Scotland) and I’ve yet to meet a single older person who cared more about any other aspect of politics/society than their pension/money. Even policemen’s getting younger always came second to pension/money conversations. Never once did ECHR or foreigners come into it. Or refugees.

Good post.

[bitchstewie]

272BHP said:

Braverman could well be right though.

UK is simply in a different political cycle from Europe that is all. The right and the far right are making inroads into pretty much all EU countries. One term with Labour in power could well push the UK in that direction as well.

There's all manner of stuff that "could" happen.

What we know right now has happened is that this lot have taken an absolute kicking and it's looking like at the next General Election it's going to be an exorcism.

The likes of Braverman think that when the public have soundly rejected their hateful ideas that "we need to do more of the stuff that's just been rejected" is the answer.

Did you hear her on Kuenssberg?

She sounded bloody insane.

[don'tbesilly]

bhstewie said:

272BHP said:

Braverman could well be right though.

UK is simply in a different political cycle from Europe that is all. The right and the far right are making inroads into pretty much all EU countries. One term with Labour in power could well push the UK in that direction as well.

There's all manner of stuff that "could" happen.

What we know right now has happened is that this lot have taken an absolute kicking and it's looking like at the next General Election it's going to be an exorcism.

The likes of Braverman think that when the public have soundly rejected their hateful ideas that "we need to do more of the stuff that's just been rejected" is the answer.

Did you hear her on Kuenssberg?

She sounded bloody insane.

What specifically did Braverman say on the Kuenssberg show which made her sound insane?

What she said wasn’t that much different to what she wrote in the Telegraph, which is far from insane but quite a good summation of just where and how the Tories are going wrong.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/05/su...

[bitchstewie]

Yeah to be fair I could understand how she'd make perfect sense to you and a few others on here.

Get your arse kicked and convince yourself the reason it happened is you haven't left the ECHR or tackled whatever you think keeps the public awake at night about "guidance on transgender ideology in schools" and all the other batst stuff in that article.

Sounds like you and she have really got your fingers on the pulse.

Probably explains why it all went so well on Thursday.

[S600BSB]

bhstewie said:

Yeah to be fair I could understand how she'd make perfect sense to you and a few others on here.

Get your arse kicked and convince yourself the reason it happened is you haven't left the ECHR or tackled whatever you think keeps the public awake at night about "guidance on transgender ideology in schools" and all the other batst stuff in that article.

Sounds like you and she have really got your fingers on the pulse.

Probably explains why it all went so well on Thursday.

Come on, don’t be silly!

[119]

bhstewie said:

Yeah to be fair I could understand how she'd make perfect sense to you and a few others on here.

Get your arse kicked and convince yourself the reason it happened is you haven't left the ECHR or tackled whatever you think keeps the public awake at night about "guidance on transgender ideology in schools" and all the other batst stuff in that article.

Sounds like you and she have really got your fingers on the pulse.

Probably explains why it all went so well on Thursday.

Indeed.

Labour are winning by default coz it certainly ain’t their policies.

(Waiting for the Starmer teet suckers to come up with another plausible reason why)

[S600BSB]

119 said:

bhstewie said:

Yeah to be fair I could understand how she'd make perfect sense to you and a few others on here.

Get your arse kicked and convince yourself the reason it happened is you haven't left the ECHR or tackled whatever you think keeps the public awake at night about "guidance on transgender ideology in schools" and all the other batst stuff in that article.

Sounds like you and she have really got your fingers on the pulse.

Probably explains why it all went so well on Thursday.

Indeed.

Labour are winning by default coz it certainly ain’t their policies.

(Waiting for the Starmer teet suckers to come up with another plausible reason why)

Tbh, last night’s party was so good that I really can’t be bothered! Happy days man.

[119]

S600BSB said:

119 said:

bhstewie said:

Yeah to be fair I could understand how she'd make perfect sense to you and a few others on here.

Get your arse kicked and convince yourself the reason it happened is you haven't left the ECHR or tackled whatever you think keeps the public awake at night about "guidance on transgender ideology in schools" and all the other batst stuff in that article.

Sounds like you and she have really got your fingers on the pulse.

Probably explains why it all went so well on Thursday.

Indeed.

Labour are winning by default coz it certainly ain’t their policies.

(Waiting for the Starmer teet suckers to come up with another plausible reason why)

Tbh, last night’s party was so good that I really can’t be bothered! Happy days man.

A party so good you couldn't keep away from PH?

[S600BSB]

119 said:

A party so good you couldn't keep away from PH?

Always!

[don'tbesilly]

bhstewie said:

Yeah to be fair I could understand how she'd make perfect sense to you and a few others on here.

Get your arse kicked and convince yourself the reason it happened is you haven't left the ECHR or tackled whatever you think keeps the public awake at night about "guidance on transgender ideology in schools" and all the other batst stuff in that article.

Sounds like you and she have really got your fingers on the pulse.

Probably explains why it all went so well on Thursday.

So that was your takeaway from the 6.30 mins Braverman spent talking to Kuenssberg?

Braverman was bang on the money with a lot of what she said, in particular Tory voters sitting at home & refusing to vote for a party which doesn’t deserve the walk to the polling booth, which was very much evident from Thursday & every other by-election they’ve been hammered in.

It’s laughable you picked on the school stuff, after all you are the PH expert on kids and schooling!

There is zero insane nor bat st crazy in this from Braverman:

6.14-12.52
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001z1dm/sun...

Unless Starmer really does rock your boat, which is clearly the case with you.

[bitchstewie]

They've just lost almost 500 seats and you seem to be spinning it as if she's the voice of reason and the solution is to move further to the right.

There's a reason the public hate Braverman and doubling down really isn't the answer here.

It's batst.