Ukraine: would you fight or run?
Poll: Ukraine: would you fight or run?
Total Members Polled: 238
Discussion
i read somewhere once that only 10% of soldiers in ww1 ever fired their gun, and even those that did most deliberately aimed to miss.
would i fight, probably, would i be good at it, probably not, could i kill someone , not sure
i would join up if my country needed me, but what use i would be id debatable
would i fight, probably, would i be good at it, probably not, could i kill someone , not sure
i would join up if my country needed me, but what use i would be id debatable
'Fighting for Ukraine' on the frontline will for many involve hiding in a hole until artillery kills you from several miles away.
You won't be doing much or any actual fighting. You'll be trying to hold some terrain while being pummelled remotely. Not sure how well I'd take to that.
As for fighting to defend my country, I'd have to have faith in my military leadership.
If I was Russian, not that they're fighting for their country, I obviously wouldn't. I wonder how Ukrainians feel about theirs.
If mine was happily squandering us a la WW1 then I'm out.
You won't be doing much or any actual fighting. You'll be trying to hold some terrain while being pummelled remotely. Not sure how well I'd take to that.
As for fighting to defend my country, I'd have to have faith in my military leadership.
If I was Russian, not that they're fighting for their country, I obviously wouldn't. I wonder how Ukrainians feel about theirs.
If mine was happily squandering us a la WW1 then I'm out.
shirt said:
I think another option needs to exist between fighting and running.
My answer would be no if the expectation was to be a front line troop and/or actively fight. I’m too old, untrained and unfit, makes no sense.
Would I support my country and those who are fighting by joining the military in another capacity, or else a humanitarian organization? Yes I would. I’ve worked in active war zones for a commercial entity so I’d expect to be able to work in a similar capacity both during the conflict and in post-conflict rebuilding.
Loads of people fighting for Ukraine are also older and untrained they had to learn on the job .My answer would be no if the expectation was to be a front line troop and/or actively fight. I’m too old, untrained and unfit, makes no sense.
Would I support my country and those who are fighting by joining the military in another capacity, or else a humanitarian organization? Yes I would. I’ve worked in active war zones for a commercial entity so I’d expect to be able to work in a similar capacity both during the conflict and in post-conflict rebuilding.
Edited by shirt on Sunday 5th May 09:17
Things like loading a canon or mortar they could train people to do that fairly quick .
Thing is the choices are not straight forward.
History of enlisting shows us that when wars break out and people are called up, then so are their mates from the same town or village.
If that’s still the case in the Ukraine then I imagine plenty have enlisted as to be in solidarity with people they know.
I would also in that case, but a UK war? Well that would test me based on the shower of shoite that walk the halls of Westminster this last 40 odd years.
History of enlisting shows us that when wars break out and people are called up, then so are their mates from the same town or village.
If that’s still the case in the Ukraine then I imagine plenty have enlisted as to be in solidarity with people they know.
I would also in that case, but a UK war? Well that would test me based on the shower of shoite that walk the halls of Westminster this last 40 odd years.
Mr Magooagain said:
I would also in that case, but a UK war? Well that would test me based on the shower of shoite that walk the halls of Westminster this last 40 odd years.
If it's Johnny Foreigner deciding to parachute into Runcorn out of the blue because of the general derangement of their leader, then so be it. If it's to fulfil a US president's grudge or protect ExxonMobil's bottom line abroad, then they can kiss it.
t scary.What are you really fighting for?!
I mean you're cannon fodder for wealthy organisations or individuals who have power. You're fighting their wars, not your war. Patriotism and propaganda conditions the majority in to doing what they're told.
The average person just wants a roof over their head, food, family and safety.
It's a tough question to answer. I don't think it's fair for anyone else to judge!
I mean you're cannon fodder for wealthy organisations or individuals who have power. You're fighting their wars, not your war. Patriotism and propaganda conditions the majority in to doing what they're told.
The average person just wants a roof over their head, food, family and safety.
It's a tough question to answer. I don't think it's fair for anyone else to judge!
turbomoggie said:
What are you really fighting for?!
I mean you're cannon fodder for wealthy organisations or individuals who have power. You're fighting their wars, not your war. Patriotism and propaganda conditions the majority in to doing what they're told.
The average person just wants a roof over their head, food, family and safety.
It's a tough question to answer. I don't think it's fair for anyone else to judge!
So if it was the UK you'd leave, let the UK be invaded and beaten into servitude for many generations? I mean you're cannon fodder for wealthy organisations or individuals who have power. You're fighting their wars, not your war. Patriotism and propaganda conditions the majority in to doing what they're told.
The average person just wants a roof over their head, food, family and safety.
It's a tough question to answer. I don't think it's fair for anyone else to judge!
You'd profess to be proud to be British and live to be British but abandon our land?
The issue is the more people there are willing to fight the more it encourages them (those that will not be fighting the war) to go to war, hardly anyone wants to fight in a war, yet history shows us that millions are convinced to go and fight in one.
I think the UK authorities have a real issue as I doubt there are enough people willing to fight for this country certainly if it meant going abroad to do it, perhaps it would be different if they turned up on the beaches, but then people would fight to keep their families safe not for King and country as that notion left the building a long time ago.
I certainly wouldn't fight for the shower that are currently running the country and as a country there really isn't that much to be supportive of as the avarice of our leaders has been laid bare, Iraq revealed to anyone that cared to look how things are done, and I wouldn't want to be part of that.
Ukraine is different in that Russia just invaded so if you've no way out with your family then what choice do you have? I suspect the Ukrainians are prouder of their country than the average Brit and feel it's worth fighting for as they still have a sense of civic duty/society which we don't as ours has been hollowed out over the last 14 years.
I don't blame anyone that got out.
I think the UK authorities have a real issue as I doubt there are enough people willing to fight for this country certainly if it meant going abroad to do it, perhaps it would be different if they turned up on the beaches, but then people would fight to keep their families safe not for King and country as that notion left the building a long time ago.
I certainly wouldn't fight for the shower that are currently running the country and as a country there really isn't that much to be supportive of as the avarice of our leaders has been laid bare, Iraq revealed to anyone that cared to look how things are done, and I wouldn't want to be part of that.
Ukraine is different in that Russia just invaded so if you've no way out with your family then what choice do you have? I suspect the Ukrainians are prouder of their country than the average Brit and feel it's worth fighting for as they still have a sense of civic duty/society which we don't as ours has been hollowed out over the last 14 years.
I don't blame anyone that got out.
My wife and I had the humbling experience of enjoying a meal with a few Ukrainian soldiers in Ukraine
All were recovering from injuries while fighting on the front line in Bakmut, ages ranged from 20 to mid-40's, all except an ex-paratrooper had normal jobs before the war started
All were fighting to protect their families, their freedom and for Ukraine
It was the 3rd time one guy had been hospitalised and he was desperate to get back to the frontline, easily the bravest person I've ever met
We also met a guy who was a local policeman during the week and frontline sniper on weekends
Another guy collected up dead bodies and bits of Ukrainian soldiers so they could be given a proper burial
Even school kids were involved in the war with high school technology projects focused on supporting the war effort ie 3D printed fins for grenades dropped from drones
Other people were helping away from the frontline by distributing donated aid to the people from their towns and villages directly fighting the Russians
Even being there, meeting these people, being woken twice in the night by air raid sirens I just couldn't imagine myself in their position so I voted 'I don't know'
All were recovering from injuries while fighting on the front line in Bakmut, ages ranged from 20 to mid-40's, all except an ex-paratrooper had normal jobs before the war started
All were fighting to protect their families, their freedom and for Ukraine
It was the 3rd time one guy had been hospitalised and he was desperate to get back to the frontline, easily the bravest person I've ever met
We also met a guy who was a local policeman during the week and frontline sniper on weekends
Another guy collected up dead bodies and bits of Ukrainian soldiers so they could be given a proper burial
Even school kids were involved in the war with high school technology projects focused on supporting the war effort ie 3D printed fins for grenades dropped from drones
Other people were helping away from the frontline by distributing donated aid to the people from their towns and villages directly fighting the Russians
Even being there, meeting these people, being woken twice in the night by air raid sirens I just couldn't imagine myself in their position so I voted 'I don't know'
Edited by marine boy on Sunday 5th May 16:33
turbomoggie said:
What are you really fighting for?!
I mean you're cannon fodder for wealthy organisations or individuals who have power. You're fighting their wars, not your war. Patriotism and propaganda conditions the majority in to doing what they're told.
The average person just wants a roof over their head, food, family and safety.
It's a tough question to answer. I don't think it's fair for anyone else to judge!
I agree with this, yes protect your country if invaded but often war (invading another country)suits the attacking leaders agenda but you dont see them on the front line… er.. leading..gun in one hand, little flag in the other. That should be the rule.I mean you're cannon fodder for wealthy organisations or individuals who have power. You're fighting their wars, not your war. Patriotism and propaganda conditions the majority in to doing what they're told.
The average person just wants a roof over their head, food, family and safety.
It's a tough question to answer. I don't think it's fair for anyone else to judge!
I posted in another thread using china / Taiwan as an example. Chinese leaders “we must take back Taiwan it is ours by right let’s go” average Chinese person in street “where?, whys that then? no thanks id rather not. You go ahead if you feel like it, you can borrow my gun, , fill yr boots, I’m off to a barbecue with my family and friends, and I need to get up early for work in the morning. now f@#£ off you silly little man” etc.,
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