Militant runners on country lanes

[Otispunkmeyer]

Went for a run today out in the countryside. Always running towards flow of traffic except when crossing to keep on the outside of right hand bends. Basically I keep out the way as much as possible and position so I can be seen.

Still didn't stop the in the eTron who saw me, moves right over to the edge of the road and simply stayed there. I had to jump into the hedge.

No other cars about. Straight road. Loads of space. Just not necessary is it. It's a 2.7ton vehicle doing 50mph and he was basically aiming it at me, 75kg and doing about 7mph! I don't understand the thinking. Probably thinks I pay no "road tax" oblivious to the fact that neither does he!!!

[jasonrobertson86]

Otispunkmeyer said:

Went for a run today out in the countryside. Always running towards flow of traffic except when crossing to keep on the outside of right hand bends. Basically I keep out the way as much as possible and position so I can be seen.

Still didn't stop the in the eTron who saw me, moves right over to the edge of the road and simply stayed there. I had to jump into the hedge.

No other cars about. Straight road. Loads of space. Just not necessary is it. It's a 2.7ton vehicle doing 50mph and he was basically aiming it at me, 75kg and doing about 7mph! I don't understand the thinking. Probably thinks I pay no "road tax" oblivious to the fact that neither does he!!!

or does anyone since it doesn't exist.

[BunkMoreland]

Acuity30 said:

Anecdotes aside, it's a fact they slow down traffic, so it's a face full of screenwash for you so you learn your lesson.

Maybe you'll lose your door mirror one day when you do that to the wrong person and see if YOU learn your lesson!


Also in my experience, its amazing how many people are happy to drive like a "see you next tuesday" near me on my bike, but when I catch them at the lights, and I'm just the other side of their side window asking them just what they think they are up to they have invisible blinkers!

A guy deliberately used his washers as he passed me years ago. I could see him looking in his mirror laughing to his ugly wife. Then pulled into his front drive. People like you are not very clever. Lets just say revenge is always best served 6 months later...


I will add of course that roughly 98% of the people that I encounter on the roads are pretty good about passing me sensibly and not really inconveniencing themselves. So if you cant do it, it just tells me your st at driving. Bet your st in bed too as you clearly abhor keeping fit and healthy so probably unable to get the blood flowing in general

Edited by BunkMoreland on Saturday 4th May 22:07

[jasonrobertson86]

BunkMoreland said:

Maybe you'll lose your door mirror one day when you do that to the wrong person and see if YOU learn your lesson!


Also in my experience, its amazing how many people are happy to drive like a "see you next tuesday" near me on my bike, but when I catch them at the lights, and I'm just the other side of their side window asking them just what they think they are up to they have invisible blinkers!

A guy deliberately used his washers as he passed me years ago. I could see him looking in his mirror laughing to his ugly wife. Then pulled into his front drive. People like you are not very clever. Lets just say revenge is always best served 6 months later.


I will add of course that roughly 98% of the people that I encounter on the roads are pretty good about passing me sensibly and not really inconveniencing themselves. So if you cant do it, it just tells me your st at driving. Bet your st in bed too as you clearly abhor keeping fit and healthy

Edited by BunkMoreland on Saturday 4th May 21:38

Good on you at returning the favour 6 months on...
You laugh a lot at your own sentences.

[J4CKO]

Acuity30 said:

BunkMoreland said:

I mean I don't know about you, but the other night it took me 90 mins to drive my 20mile commute home.


I wasn't stuck in a queue of cyclists or runners or pedestrians or even horses. You know what was causing the hold ups? Cars. Thousands and thousands of cars! I was one of them!

Every cyclist or runner or whatever you dissuade from travelling by that method by being a bell end to them. Goes and gets in their car and adds to the problem of congestion which screws all of us even more.

Plus lets be honest passing a fairly narrow other road user isn't difficult to do safely. I would guess the average bike on a regular 2 way road may mean I slow for 20-30seconds at most before there's a gap in the oncoming traffic and I can pass them giving them a wide berth. I spend more time at traffic lights!

I don't know why people feel its a flex to say they simply cant cope with another road user Care to explain?

Anecdotes aside, it's a fact they slow down traffic, so it's a face full of screenwash for you so you learn your lesson.

He is bang on, when I drive the delays are loads, and loads of cars, but the hard of thinking seem to focus on the occasional delay behind a cyclist.

And it does happen, granted, but it pales into insignificance compared to the time spent sat in traffic, behind some dawdler or MLM.

I really dont feel I spend much time behind cyclists, very rarely runners as they tend to keep off the road in most circumstances.

And "A face full of screenwash", what a pathetic little impotent gesture that is, you are in a car and can get away, would you squirt it at someone from a handheld container when on foot ? I am guessing no as you cant scuttle off, its a rather cowardly thing to do.

[Acuity30]

BunkMoreland said:

Maybe you'll lose your door mirror one day when you do that to the wrong person and see if YOU learn your lesson!


Also in my experience, its amazing how many people are happy to drive like a "see you next tuesday" near me on my bike, but when I catch them at the lights, and I'm just the other side of their side window asking them just what they think they are up to they have invisible blinkers!

A guy deliberately used his washers as he passed me years ago. I could see him looking in his mirror laughing to his ugly wife. Then pulled into his front drive. People like you are not very clever. Lets just say revenge is always best served 6 months later...


I will add of course that roughly 98% of the people that I encounter on the roads are pretty good about passing me sensibly and not really inconveniencing themselves. So if you cant do it, it just tells me your st at driving. Bet your st in bed too as you clearly abhor keeping fit and healthy so probably unable to get the blood flowing in general

Edited by BunkMoreland on Saturday 4th May 22:07

Please don't hurt my door mirror!

[Super Sonic]

J4CKO said:

He is bang on, when I drive the delays are loads, and loads of cars, but the hard of thinking seem to focus on the occasional delay behind a cyclist.

And it does happen, granted, but it pales into insignificance compared to the time spent sat in traffic, behind some dawdler or MLM.

I really dont feel I spend much time behind cyclists, very rarely runners as they tend to keep off the road in most circumstances.

And "A face full of screenwash", what a pathetic little impotent gesture that is, you are in a car and can get away, would you squirt it at someone from a handheld container when on foot ? I am guessing no as you cant scuttle off, its a rather cowardly thing to do.

It's assault. It's Ay thing to do.

[BunkMoreland]

J4CKO said:

And "A face full of screenwash", what a pathetic little impotent gesture that is, you are in a car and can get away, would you squirt it at someone from a handheld container when on foot ? I am guessing no as you cant scuttle off, its a rather cowardly thing to do.

I often assume people who do stuff like this would be the first to complain if their actions resulted in a slap or their £300 door mirror getting booted off.

They are probably the sort of people that contribute to those dashcam compilation films. Driving into avoidable trouble, and blaring the horn instead of just dealing with other road users with less of the "I'm important everyone must get out of my way" attitude.

I do wonder why they find themselves on a motoring forum. Where presumably there's an interest in cars and roadcraft, and the idea is to try and be a better driver than the average....

[James6112]

jasonrobertson86 said:

Otispunkmeyer said:

Went for a run today out in the countryside. Always running towards flow of traffic except when crossing to keep on the outside of right hand bends. Basically I keep out the way as much as possible and position so I can be seen.

Still didn't stop the in the eTron who saw me, moves right over to the edge of the road and simply stayed there. I had to jump into the hedge.

No other cars about. Straight road. Loads of space. Just not necessary is it. It's a 2.7ton vehicle doing 50mph and he was basically aiming it at me, 75kg and doing about 7mph! I don't understand the thinking. Probably thinks I pay no "road tax" oblivious to the fact that neither does he!!!

or does anyone since it doesn't exist.

What doesn’t exist

[J4CKO]

James6112 said:

jasonrobertson86 said:

Otispunkmeyer said:

Went for a run today out in the countryside. Always running towards flow of traffic except when crossing to keep on the outside of right hand bends. Basically I keep out the way as much as possible and position so I can be seen.

Still didn't stop the in the eTron who saw me, moves right over to the edge of the road and simply stayed there. I had to jump into the hedge.

No other cars about. Straight road. Loads of space. Just not necessary is it. It's a 2.7ton vehicle doing 50mph and he was basically aiming it at me, 75kg and doing about 7mph! I don't understand the thinking. Probably thinks I pay no "road tax" oblivious to the fact that neither does he!!!

or does anyone since it doesn't exist.

What doesn’t exist

"Road Tax", its been VED for a long time, but people still call it Road Tax, we all know what it means, you pay the government some money to use a motor vehicle on a road, and some folk still insist that cyclists dont pay any money to use the roads.

Its all rather tiresome and has been explained ad nauseum for a good few years, but you still get the odd mention, the naming but is the least annoying aspect.

I do tend to think its a good way of identifying anyone not worth talking to if they come out with it, i.e. taxing cyclists, not so much the naming thing.

Its never, ever going to happen, see also registration plates, insurance isnt a bad shout but unenforceable as they dont manage to get a lot of car owners to bother, good luck getting kids on bikes to pay insurance.

Thing is, if by some miracle the government decided to charge cyclists VED, they would still moan, just about something else.

[James6112]

J4CKO said:

James6112 said:

jasonrobertson86 said:

Otispunkmeyer said:

Went for a run today out in the countryside. Always running towards flow of traffic except when crossing to keep on the outside of right hand bends. Basically I keep out the way as much as possible and position so I can be seen.

Still didn't stop the in the eTron who saw me, moves right over to the edge of the road and simply stayed there. I had to jump into the hedge.

No other cars about. Straight road. Loads of space. Just not necessary is it. It's a 2.7ton vehicle doing 50mph and he was basically aiming it at me, 75kg and doing about 7mph! I don't understand the thinking. Probably thinks I pay no "road tax" oblivious to the fact that neither does he!!!

or does anyone since it doesn't exist.

What doesn’t exist

"Road Tax", its been VED for a long time, but people still call it Road Tax, we all know what it means, you pay the government some money to use a motor vehicle on a road, and some folk still insist that cyclists dont pay any money to use the roads.

Its all rather tiresome and has been explained ad nauseum for a good few years, but you still get the odd mention, the naming but is the least annoying aspect.

I do tend to think its a good way of identifying anyone not worth talking to if they come out with it, i.e. taxing cyclists, not so much the naming thing.

Its never, ever going to happen, see also registration plates, insurance isnt a bad shout but unenforceable as they dont manage to get a lot of car owners to bother, good luck getting kids on bikes to pay insurance.

Thing is, if by some miracle the government decided to charge cyclists VED, they would still moan, just about something else.

The Dvla don’t call it VED
They call it Vehicle tax.
I’m sure it was car tax last year.
Never VED.

[Otispunkmeyer]

jasonrobertson86 said:

or does anyone since it doesn't exist.

Well yes, that was the point of the "quotes".

[Otispunkmeyer]

James6112 said:

The Dvla don’t call it VED
They call it Vehicle tax.
I’m sure it was car tax last year.
Never VED.

The vehicle tax is levied as an excise duty which is why VED or Vehicle Excise Duty. It's just a particular type of tax instrument. I don't think it wrong to pronounce it either way. But regardless, the point is, it is not a tax to use the road but a tax to use the vehicle.

[J4CKO]

James6112 said:

J4CKO said:

James6112 said:

jasonrobertson86 said:

Otispunkmeyer said:

Went for a run today out in the countryside. Always running towards flow of traffic except when crossing to keep on the outside of right hand bends. Basically I keep out the way as much as possible and position so I can be seen.

Still didn't stop the in the eTron who saw me, moves right over to the edge of the road and simply stayed there. I had to jump into the hedge.

No other cars about. Straight road. Loads of space. Just not necessary is it. It's a 2.7ton vehicle doing 50mph and he was basically aiming it at me, 75kg and doing about 7mph! I don't understand the thinking. Probably thinks I pay no "road tax" oblivious to the fact that neither does he!!!

or does anyone since it doesn't exist.

What doesn’t exist

"Road Tax", its been VED for a long time, but people still call it Road Tax, we all know what it means, you pay the government some money to use a motor vehicle on a road, and some folk still insist that cyclists dont pay any money to use the roads.

Its all rather tiresome and has been explained ad nauseum for a good few years, but you still get the odd mention, the naming but is the least annoying aspect.

I do tend to think its a good way of identifying anyone not worth talking to if they come out with it, i.e. taxing cyclists, not so much the naming thing.

Its never, ever going to happen, see also registration plates, insurance isnt a bad shout but unenforceable as they dont manage to get a lot of car owners to bother, good luck getting kids on bikes to pay insurance.

Thing is, if by some miracle the government decided to charge cyclists VED, they would still moan, just about something else.

The Dvla don’t call it VED
They call it Vehicle tax.
I’m sure it was car tax last year.
Never VED.

Thats kind of the point, I dont care what its called, its money you have to pay to use a car on a road, you dont have to pay to use a bike.

Thing is, every single person in the UK is entitled in law to use a bicycle on the road, free of charge, so if someone doesn't ride a bike, thats up to them, but they can do so everyone is a cyclist, just some are non practising.

The semantics of what its called are largely irrelevant, the principle remains the same.

[Road2Ruin]

Acuity30 said:

Please don't hurt my door mirror!

People like you need to be taken off the road. You are a blight on society.

[Acuity30]

Road2Ruin said:

People like you need to be taken off the road. You are a blight on society.

And the Karen threatening damage to private property doesn't? Silly billy

[gazza285]

Acuity30 said:

And the Karen threatening damage to private property doesn't? Silly billy

Don’t provoke people by being a tt then?
You aren’t coming across as being very mature in this discussion.

[DonkeyApple]

Otispunkmeyer said:

Went for a run today out in the countryside. Always running towards flow of traffic except when crossing to keep on the outside of right hand bends. Basically I keep out the way as much as possible and position so I can be seen.

Still didn't stop the in the eTron who saw me, moves right over to the edge of the road and simply stayed there. I had to jump into the hedge.

No other cars about. Straight road. Loads of space. Just not necessary is it. It's a 2.7ton vehicle doing 50mph and he was basically aiming it at me, 75kg and doing about 7mph! I don't understand the thinking. Probably thinks I pay no "road tax" oblivious to the fact that neither does he!!!

At the centre of all of these issues is a mentally ill man. Sometimes that sick person is on foot seeking to create the desperately needed confrontation to deliver their self medication, sometimes they're on a horse, sometimes a bike and sometimes a car.

The reality is that the mode of transport isn't actually relevant. There are simply a noticeable number of ill men who today are embolden by laws that prevent the cure from being administered and they go out of the house in need of safe confrontation which consciously or sub consciously, they work to create.

The aggressive jogger has been in London for years and I've met one in the Cotswolds to date during lockdown who crossed the lane so as to be able to run directly into us and cough in faces. The cyclist version is more prevalent. The sick blokes are still at work in Regents Park trying to create confrontations with mothers with young children by swerving in to the parked cars when they spot one getting back into their car. But by far the most common, probably as a function of it being the most prevalent means of transport, is the mentally ill bloke in a car who you will watch deliberately buzz a cyclist who doing nothing other than riding perfectly normally.

I went over to Rutland yesterday and it was a comedy of issues on the single lanes as I was ended up one after another behind people who refused to overtake slower traffic but also refused to leave gaps for others to do so and one who just pulled out on anyone who indicated so as to stop them. A succession of these lunatic drivers keeping everyone trapped behind a laden tractor that never exceeded 20, a horse box that was empty but doing 30 and a cycling peleton that was leaving gaps for people. And sure enough, one bloke lost his mind and for no reason deliberately buzzed the cyclists.

There are just a lot of unwell men out there who are seeking to self medicate to the detriment of the safety of everyone else.

Which reminds me, on the return journey I ended up behind an absolute throbber in a Kia crossover who was swerving violently to avoid anything in the road that looked like it might be a pothole. It was mental and you just knew that here was a bloke who had become fixated and in blind rage about potholes and needed so desperately to find them to support his lunacy that he was seeing them where they weren't.

And today, a legion of older nutters will be hypermiling to country pubs to abuse the young staff before a gentle drive home looking for a congestion with an SUV or a female driver.

Davina Macall needs to make a DVD to help these people.

[heebeegeetee]

J4CKO said:

Thats kind of the point, I dont care what its called, its money you have to pay to use a car on a road, you dont have to pay to use a bike.

Thing is, every single person in the UK is entitled in law to use a bicycle on the road, free of charge, so if someone doesn't ride a bike, thats up to them, but they can do so everyone is a cyclist, just some are non practising.

The semantics of what its called are largely irrelevant, the principle remains the same.

I think you're muddled with your semantics.

Every single person is entitled to use the roads for free, except where specifically prohibited (such as motorways). Every single person is a road user as soon as they leave their private property.

A great many motorists don't realise pedestrians are road users, because surprisingly, a great many motorists don't actually know what a road is

Many motor vehicles have an applicable tax, many are free.

You pays your money (or not) and takes your choice.

[Billy_Whizzzz]

NRG1976 said:

remedy said:

NRG1976 said:

People who jog into oncoming traffic are annoying morons, they have a major sense of self-entitlement. They could easily jog on on the correct side of the road, but that would mean they would have to take responsibility for observing what was happening around them when they decide to step a bit too far away from the kerb…no, far better to cause chaos for drivers instead.

How have you got a driving license?

I hope this was sarcasm.

Yes I have a driving license. No sarcasm. Meant every word. Cry if you want.

Let me guess. You aren’t very well educated. Voted for Brexit. Doesn’t believe in global warming. Etc