RE: Aston confirms 835hp V12 for new Vanquish

[andy43]

E90_M3Ross said:

Magikarp said:

Glenn63 said:

Then after your 3 seconds of acceleration are over your sat bored and in silence instead of having a glorious V12 to play like a musical instrument with the gears.
I’m very much looking forward to this new Vanquish, I can’t afford one, but I can admire from afar.

Crikey. The effort put into to romanticise the sound of engine. To equate the sound of an engine to music is going a little too far.

Disagree. For many, hearing the noise of a wonderful engine will elicit the same release of neurotransmitters from hearing music we enjoy. On a primal level, it is no different. For me, the noise of one of Aston's amazing V12 in the old Vanquish etc was truly special, the noise of a 4 pot diesel, however, less so. 99% (probably more) of cars on the road sound dull, drive dull and aren't remotely exciting. For these, an EV is just better. I'd rather silence than the crass sound of a dreary 4 pot diesel. Not so over a wonderful NA 6, 8, 10 or 12 cylinder car though.

+1.

[epom]

Wouldn’t be seen dead in anything less that 840bhp to be honest, so that’s me out
Looks nice though, and with only 835bhp should be able to get a good look at it.

[Glenn63]

andy43 said:

E90_M3Ross said:

Magikarp said:

Glenn63 said:

Then after your 3 seconds of acceleration are over your sat bored and in silence instead of having a glorious V12 to play like a musical instrument with the gears.
I’m very much looking forward to this new Vanquish, I can’t afford one, but I can admire from afar.

Crikey. The effort put into to romanticise the sound of engine. To equate the sound of an engine to music is going a little too far.

Disagree. For many, hearing the noise of a wonderful engine will elicit the same release of neurotransmitters from hearing music we enjoy. On a primal level, it is no different. For me, the noise of one of Aston's amazing V12 in the old Vanquish etc was truly special, the noise of a 4 pot diesel, however, less so. 99% (probably more) of cars on the road sound dull, drive dull and aren't remotely exciting. For these, an EV is just better. I'd rather silence than the crass sound of a dreary 4 pot diesel. Not so over a wonderful NA 6, 8, 10 or 12 cylinder car though.

+1.

And another +1. There’s a video somewhere of a Ferrari GTO driving through a forest road, with nothing but engine noise, it’s wonderful. If that was an electric car it would be a very boring video.

[Xenoous]

What fantastic news. Glad Aston are still at it. I really hope they continue to survive, as financials aside, they put Britain on the map. If I could afford one, I would. V12 noise, glorious.

[Terminator X]

sidesauce said:

1Tom1985 said:

This or a Porsche Taycan with its soulful electric note…..

Just hope its naturally aspirated and not an AMG engine.

Taycan Turbo GT for me - I know it would leave the Aston for dead. And, as much as people on here say that straight line speed gets boring, for me it never does. That feeling of immense torque that only electric motors give from zero is too much fun, it reminds me of a jet taking off.

If it was either or you would really go for the EV and also not the Aston

TX.

[ds666]

Why are people trying to compare this with a Taycan ? Lost the plot ....

[nismo48]

Excellent..

[redroadster]

The amount they loose on every car is mind boggling .

[Frankychops]

ds666 said:

Why are people trying to compare this with a Taycan ? Lost the plot ....

its nuts isn't it. I think they write those posts after finding that their tackle has been taken also.

[wistec1]

Great. Absolutely fantastic. A proper monster two fingered salute to the EV led propaganda that's being forced fed to those who will digest it. Get the person responsible for this on the honors list.

[Gordon Hill]

Now let's see, how can we make this thread yet another about how wonderful EV's are just like every other thread on PH at the moment?

[pycraft]

redroadster said:

The amount they loose on every car is mind boggling .

And so they should! Making money on cars is for foreigners and mass manufacturers. It's not a real British sportscar unless it's knocked together by well-meaning engineering types in flat caps and stained white overalls in a shed in some remote part of the country and owned by a slightly shady man with a moustache and a devil-may-care attitude, and sold for half as much as it cost to make just for the sheer love of it!

[GT9]

Terminator X said:

sidesauce said:

1Tom1985 said:

This or a Porsche Taycan with its soulful electric note…..

Just hope its naturally aspirated and not an AMG engine.

Taycan Turbo GT for me - I know it would leave the Aston for dead. And, as much as people on here say that straight line speed gets boring, for me it never does. That feeling of immense torque that only electric motors give from zero is too much fun, it reminds me of a jet taking off.

If it was either or you would really go for the EV and also not the Aston

TX.

To me this is a sliding scale.
This car could have had a naturally-aspirated high-revving V12 engine connected via a high final drive ratio with just enough torque to keep the rear wheels approaching the limit of adhesion and a gloriously long rev range.
Sticking a massive amount of boost on it to crank it up to 1000 Nm means dialling down the final drive ratio, lowering the rev limit, bolting on a Fort Knox spec traction and stability control system and blocking out 50% of the noise that everybody who buys these cars wants to hear.
The high boost turbo engine chases numbers, 0-60, mpg, in-gear times, but to all intents that can now just as easily be achieved and bettered by the powertrain whose name we do not speak.
I'm not holding my breath, but if we really want to celebrate the ICE in all it's glory, these ultimate cars need to throw the number-chasing out the window now and go after people's hearts.
If any concessions need to be made, there is always the option for torque fill from the thingmewhotsit systems that Ferrari bolted onto their V12.

Edited by GT9 on Wednesday 1st May 19:17

[D4rez]

GT9 said:

Terminator X said:

sidesauce said:

1Tom1985 said:

This or a Porsche Taycan with its soulful electric note…..

Just hope its naturally aspirated and not an AMG engine.

Taycan Turbo GT for me - I know it would leave the Aston for dead. And, as much as people on here say that straight line speed gets boring, for me it never does. That feeling of immense torque that only electric motors give from zero is too much fun, it reminds me of a jet taking off.

If it was either or you would really go for the EV and also not the Aston

TX.

To me this is a sliding scale.
This car could have had a naturally-aspirated high-revving V12 engine connected via a high final drive ratio with just enough torque to keep the rear wheels approaching the limit of adhesion and a gloriously long rev range.
Sticking a massive amount of boost on it to crank it up to 1000 Nm means dialling down the final drive ratio, lowering the rev limit, bolting on a Fort Knox spec traction and stability control system and blocking out 50% of the noise that everybody who buys these cars wants to hear.
The high boost turbo engine chases numbers, 0-60, mpg, in-gear times, but to all intents that can now just as easily be achieved and bettered by the powertrain whose name we do not speak.
I'm not holding my breath, but if we really want to celebrate the ICE in all it's glory, these ultimate cars need to throw the number-chasing out the window now and go after people's hearts.
If any concessions need to be made, there is always the option for torque fill from the thingmewhotsit systems that Ferrari bolted onto their V12.

Edited by GT9 on Wednesday 1st May 19:17

Agreed, Gordon Murray’s was the right approach. The power wars have been comprehensively won by hybrids and EVs

Aston meanwhile, it’s a conundrum…They would obviously be stupid to make an EV now for their average customer it wouldn’t wash. Equally they literally could not afford to do it even if they wanted to. So they’ve hitched their EV horse to Lucid who are never going to deliver for them. With a bunch of regulatory deadlines coming they need to start making some moves to educate/grow their customer base or they are dead because they have zero financial cushion.

Porsche are going through the pain of finding a winning formula and can afford to hedge their bets, Ferrari might not talk about it but are spending billions on electrification. Best case these guys will have just about paid off the debt before slamming straight into 2035

[Bradgate]

Some Gump said:

800 horse?

I love power but what is the point in a road car? It was frustrating to never be able to give the rs4 beans without risking a licence, double that would mean even tickling the throttle would risk the wrath if dash cam man in his zafira...

I agree, too. My M240i was frustrating enough because I couldn’t use the performance, and that had ‘only’ 340 bhp / 500nm, albeit in a relatively small light car. It’s difficult to argue that 800 bhp in a road car, even a huge heavy SUV, is anything other than completely pointless.

[WhyOne]

Magikarp said:

Crikey. The effort put into to romanticise the sound of engine. To equate the sound of an engine to music is going a little too far.

Completely disagree.

Get a copy of Nick Mason's 'Into the Red' and listen to the (beautifully recorded) cd.

[E90_M3Ross]

Bradgate said:

Some Gump said:

800 horse?

I love power but what is the point in a road car? It was frustrating to never be able to give the rs4 beans without risking a licence, double that would mean even tickling the throttle would risk the wrath if dash cam man in his zafira...

I agree, too. My M240i was frustrating enough because I couldn’t use the performance, and that had ‘only’ 340 bhp / 500nm, albeit in a relatively small light car. It’s difficult to argue that 800 bhp in a road car, even a huge heavy SUV, is anything other than completely pointless.

In the UK, I agree. Even with my meagre 420bhp you still get to over 100mph really rather easily. When pushing on a nice A or B road I can't ever remember thinking "I could really do with more power".

[Tango13]

WhyOne said:

Magikarp said:

Crikey. The effort put into to romanticise the sound of engine. To equate the sound of an engine to music is going a little too far.

Completely disagree.

Get a copy of Nick Mason's 'Into the Red' and listen to the (beautifully recorded) cd.

That was my very first thought the moment I read the post on the sound of an engine being like music

It's not just the sound of an engine either, the smell of a warm/hot engine as you open the bonnet and being able to feel the waft of warm air rising up from the engine to greet you, the smell of exhaust fumes on a cold and frosty morning is also part of what driving should be about along with the ticking and pinging of a slowly cooling engine.

[SpadeBrigade]

ds666 said:

Why are people trying to compare this with a Taycan ? Lost the plot ....

Completely bizarre. No one is going on to a Porsche or Aston dealer comparing the two.

[Terminator X]

Tango13 said:

WhyOne said:

Magikarp said:

Crikey. The effort put into to romanticise the sound of engine. To equate the sound of an engine to music is going a little too far.

Completely disagree.

Get a copy of Nick Mason's 'Into the Red' and listen to the (beautifully recorded) cd.

That was my very first thought the moment I read the post on the sound of an engine being like music

It's not just the sound of an engine either, the smell of a warm/hot engine as you open the bonnet and being able to feel the waft of warm air rising up from the engine to greet you, the smell of exhaust fumes on a cold and frosty morning is also part of what driving should be about along with the ticking and pinging of a slowly cooling engine.

Slightly O/T I was at car meet yesterday with loads of older cars; the smells, sounds and all round "emotion" was amazing. We forget how the Regs are bashing all our cars as time passes.

TX.