Vulnerability in 50mph zones
Discussion
8IKERDAVE said:
I think this is one of the main issues. I was on the M1 south yesterday and from J33 to J29 we were sat in the exact sitation I described originally. The road was too busy to do anything but just sit there and drive as defensively as possible.
In the 15 -20 miles travelled I saw absolutely zero activity in the roadworks so we are being put at completely unecessary risk. Why they can't work on 2 mile sections at once I don't know (well I do - it will be the cost).
Germany is different, you enter roadworks there for a few miles and theres a hive of constant activity. Through the section in 5 minutes and you're off again. No frustration, danger minimised and everyone is on their merry way!
That is just because private companies milk the tax payer for all they are worth. If the government/councils dug their heels in and said you are getting paid for x amount of time. Any extra is out of your own pocket roadworks would be done in record time. In the 15 -20 miles travelled I saw absolutely zero activity in the roadworks so we are being put at completely unecessary risk. Why they can't work on 2 mile sections at once I don't know (well I do - it will be the cost).
Germany is different, you enter roadworks there for a few miles and theres a hive of constant activity. Through the section in 5 minutes and you're off again. No frustration, danger minimised and everyone is on their merry way!
Just to put it into perspective it took 2 years to build the A1 wentbridge viaduct from scratch. They started doing works on it in February 2023 only for someone to put a hole in it delaying the intital finish date of August 2023 to April 2024. Low and behold April 2024 has come and gone and it still isn't finished. Current eta is Summer 2024 which realistically means October/November 2024. In total it is going to take nearly 2 years to "resurface the viaduct". The same amount of time it took the build the thing from scratch!
I understand you have a lote more red tape today but even still it is a bit of a joke.
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Yep.
No-one in government cares anymore because they've been neglected for well over a decade (arguably a lot longer).
No one in the private sector cares, because it's so difficult to get onto public sector procurement lists now that once you're on it's gravy-train time and you just milk it.
No subbies care because no-one checks their work and if it's s
t work they get paid to fix it.
The whole thing is fundamentally broken because there's no-one in government who's job it is to make sure st happens properly.
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Yep.
No-one in government cares anymore because they've been neglected for well over a decade (arguably a lot longer).
No one in the private sector cares, because it's so difficult to get onto public sector procurement lists now that once you're on it's gravy-train time and you just milk it.
No subbies care because no-one checks their work and if it's s
t work they get paid to fix it.The whole thing is fundamentally broken because there's no-one in government who's job it is to make sure s
t happens properly.havoc said:
The whole thing is fundamentally broken because there's no-one in government who's job it is to make sure st happens properly.
Yes, nearby is the M25/A3 junction that they are currently ruining - all 50mph limits.t happens properly.Years of badly designed closures with not much work being done, why couldn't they have split it into 4 quarters around the junction rather than cone everything off all at once for a big 50mph limit area.
Poorly designed works so that what was previously 2 lane slip roads is split into 1 lane now causing massive tailbacks every day and frustrated drivers doing silly things. The amount of money lost to the economy from time wasted in jams must be huge, but no-one cares.
Plus you get the people that know where the average cameras are and zoom away above the limit cutting people up only to slow down below it so their average remains below the limit.
Whataguy said:
Yes, nearby is the M25/A3 junction that they are currently ruining - all 50mph limits.
Years of badly designed closures with not much work being done, why couldn't they have split it into 4 quarters around the junction rather than cone everything off all at once for a big 50mph limit area.
Poorly designed works so that what was previously 2 lane slip roads is split into 1 lane now causing massive tailbacks every day and frustrated drivers doing silly things. The amount of money lost to the economy from time wasted in jams must be huge, but no-one cares.
Plus you get the people that know where the average cameras are and zoom away above the limit cutting people up only to slow down below it so their average remains below the limit.
Don't remind me! I live quite near the M25/A3 junction. Years of badly designed closures with not much work being done, why couldn't they have split it into 4 quarters around the junction rather than cone everything off all at once for a big 50mph limit area.
Poorly designed works so that what was previously 2 lane slip roads is split into 1 lane now causing massive tailbacks every day and frustrated drivers doing silly things. The amount of money lost to the economy from time wasted in jams must be huge, but no-one cares.
Plus you get the people that know where the average cameras are and zoom away above the limit cutting people up only to slow down below it so their average remains below the limit.
But at least it's supposed to be getting done quicker than the farcical time-frame to make the M3 a "Smart" motorway that took over 3 years. And now they're closing the inside lane from J2 to J4A with a 50 limit again to put in more emergency refuges that should have been done the first time around.
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