RE: Jaw-dropping Kimera EVO37 Martini 7 for sale

[thargon]

mrclav said:

Indeed, you are correct.

I always found the original to be a strange looking thing and this re-interpretation doesn't do anything to convince me otherwise. It's not a particularly horrible looking car as such but to me it's just... meh.

I find aerodynamically shaped cars far more appealing and appreciate the 'sinewy' look of modern cars shaped by the wind far more than these blocky looking relics that do absolutely nothing for me whatsoever aesthetically. As I've never cared for rallying I also do not have any emotional connection to Group B, let alone Martini sponsorship liveries (being a lifelong teetotaler).

You really sound like a barrel of laughs.

Apart from that, I think this thing is fantastic and having owned a twin charged Golf GT, it would make sense to own this. There would be the trifling matter of finance to work out of course. But isn't it brilliant it exists at all?

[mrclav]

thargon said:

mrclav said:

Indeed, you are correct.

I always found the original to be a strange looking thing and this re-interpretation doesn't do anything to convince me otherwise. It's not a particularly horrible looking car as such but to me it's just... meh.

I find aerodynamically shaped cars far more appealing and appreciate the 'sinewy' look of modern cars shaped by the wind far more than these blocky looking relics that do absolutely nothing for me whatsoever aesthetically. As I've never cared for rallying I also do not have any emotional connection to Group B, let alone Martini sponsorship liveries (being a lifelong teetotaler).

You really sound like a barrel of laughs.

Apart from that, I think this thing is fantastic and having owned a twin charged Golf GT, it would make sense to own this. There would be the trifling matter of finance to work out of course. But isn't it brilliant it exists at all?

I'm not a barrel of laughs? Ok. How about "I'll respond with an ignorant assumption about someone I literally know nothing about because they don't like something I do"?

If you like it, that's fine. I don't hate it, I simply find it meh and no, I don't find it brilliant that it exists at all.

[rwindmill]

For that kind of money, I would contact these guys

https://www.boldrinauto.it/replica-lancia-037/

and ask them to make me an authentic replica of the real-deal.

I do like the Kimera, but not in this colour scheme. The excessive amount of white seems to diminish the lines that other colours accentuate.

[LotusOmega375D]

rwindmill said:

and ask them to make me an authentic replica of the real-deal.

Can you have an authentic replica? Sounds like an oxymoron to me.

[bloomen]

Wheelbase don't look right on that. Suspension too but that can be addressed.

Almost all 037 replicas end up with the wheelbase looking wrong.

There's obviously something extra needing adding or tweaking to the Monte Carlo base that they don't bother with, or miss.

The rear wheel needs slightly more offset from the rear bulkhead.

The only one that does nail it is the Carteroni one from NZ.

I'd definitely have one of those over this myself.

Edited by bloomen on Wednesday 8th May 11:17

[rwindmill]

LotusOmega375D said:

rwindmill said:

and ask them to make me an authentic replica of the real-deal.

Can you have an authentic replica? Sounds like an oxymoron to me.

Its an authentic replica, in that its manufactured in the same way as the original 037s. They use a Lancia Monte Carlo centre section, and bolt fabricated sub-frames to the front an rear.

According to their website, It is possible to homologate these cars for rallying.

But yes, authentic replica probably is an oxymoron

[Skeptisk]

rwindmill said:

LotusOmega375D said:

rwindmill said:

and ask them to make me an authentic replica of the real-deal.

Can you have an authentic replica? Sounds like an oxymoron to me.

Its an authentic replica, in that its manufactured in the same way as the original 037s. They use a Lancia Monte Carlo centre section, and bolt fabricated sub-frames to the front an rear.

According to their website, It is possible to homologate these cars for rallying.

But yes, authentic replica probably is an oxymoron

I think the problem is that the word replica is used to describe very different cars and we don’t have agreed terms for them. I think one can distinguish between.

Fake: MR2 with a body kit protruding to be a Ferrari or Lamborghini

Reimagining: based on something completely different and only shares similar look. This Kimeno looks to be one of those

Semi replica : I had a 2.7RS lookalike. However it was based on a 1970 early 911 and had a 2.7 engine. It wasn’t a correct replica but drove very similar to an authentic car (possibly a bit better).

Recreation/continuation. Like the GTO Engineering 250 SWB that is built like the original using recreated parts (although buyers can choose improvements).

[pheonix478]

bloomen said:

Wheelbase don't look right on that. Suspension too but that can be addressed.

Almost all 037 replicas end up with the wheelbase looking wrong.

There's obviously something extra needing adding or tweaking to the Monte Carlo base that they don't bother with, or miss.

The rear wheel needs slightly more offset from the rear bulkhead.

The only one that does nail it is the Carteroni one from NZ.

I'd definitely have one of those over this myself.

Edited by bloomen on Wednesday 8th May 11:17

Thanks for this. I wasn't even aware 037 replicas/kits existed. Very cool. Whilst probably fair it's at an awkward price point though.

[Matt_T]

rwindmill said:

For that kind of money, I would contact these guys

https://www.boldrinauto.it/replica-lancia-037/

Wowzers! I would love one of those. Does anyone know what they cost?

[s m]

Matt_T said:

rwindmill said:

For that kind of money, I would contact these guys

https://www.boldrinauto.it/replica-lancia-037/

Wowzers! I would love one of those. Does anyone know what they cost?

There’s one on carandclassic.com with almost Stradale power for €95000 Euro in lhd

Alternatively there’s a U.K. rhd Montecarlo for sale for 20k and have that converted

[andrewcliffe]

The 037 has a longer wheelbase than the Montecarlo as the engine was rotated to become longitudinal rather than transverse. It is possible to rebody the Montecarlo retaining the original layout and this results in slightly awkward looks. Turning the engine with appropriate lubrication mods and a different gearbox is the more authentic design, but requires a more work and adds its own problems.