RE: Toyota GR Yaris | Spotted

[martin12345]

BIRMA said:

I agree, last September I bought an absolutely immaculate red one for £30K with 12000 miles on the clock, today there are a lot for sale with a low mileage for around £30K.
I have always modified the cars I own but in the case of the GR I'm keeping it bog standard because I think Toyota in my opinion got this car about right.
I should also point out that if any potential buyer likes the car on the test drive you will absolutely love it after an hour on your favourite B road. It's small, nimble and very quick.

There are quite a lot of low mileage ones for sale emerging now. Bought as a 3rd or 4th car as "needed to have one" when new. Now having enjoyed them they are being moved on for another alternate "toy". These sorts of cars aren't used during the week and come out to play at the weekend on nice roads or track days. Nothing wrong with them. It's the life of an awful lot of interesting cars owned by relatively rich people.

[asci.white]

pb8g09 said:

I'm wary that someone's paid for all these mods and then decided after 9k miles to sell it.

Bit like someone putting in a bespoke kitchen on their house then selling it. Seems strange to me.

Situations change. There are so many reasons someone would have to move on their pride & joy..

[BIRMA]

martin12345 said:

BIRMA said:

I agree, last September I bought an absolutely immaculate red one for £30K with 12000 miles on the clock, today there are a lot for sale with a low mileage for around £30K.
I have always modified the cars I own but in the case of the GR I'm keeping it bog standard because I think Toyota in my opinion got this car about right.
I should also point out that if any potential buyer likes the car on the test drive you will absolutely love it after an hour on your favourite B road. It's small, nimble and very quick.

There are quite a lot of low mileage ones for sale emerging now. Bought as a 3rd or 4th car as "needed to have one" when new. Now having enjoyed them they are being moved on for another alternate "toy". These sorts of cars aren't used during the week and come out to play at the weekend on nice roads or track days. Nothing wrong with them. It's the life of an awful lot of interesting cars owned by relatively rich people.

There are currently about 130 GR Circuits for sale on Autotrader at the moment. When I was looking there were 200 pluscars for sale, I had great difficulty buying a good low mileage car for £30K, today there is a far better choice at that price point.

[CG2020UK]

Huge fan of the GR Yaris even if I find them more serious than fun.

Do think anyone paying over the odds on one now needs their head checked as there are so many about.

[GreatScott2016]

DaveCWK said:

Surprised they haven't yet depreciated more, I mean they aren't -that- rare.

Interestingly, I see very few in Lincolnshire, probably only 1 in the last 6 months.

[gruppeb86]

Am a interested to know; What justification is there for a 10-14K difference in regard to the pricing when new? What more do you get for your money?

[wistec1]

Fast forward 30/40 years and the smart youths of today may be mortgage free with some expendable income. Think holomgation such as the escort cosworths, Sunbeam Lotus and the Lancia evo etc and it's not hard to see that the Yaris could be a" I wanted one of these when I was 20" car. Now which one will be more desirable, one that has been fffked about with or a stock standard or slightly modified one that can have the vasectomy reversed quite easily. Matching numbers and all that. I know which way my money would go. Standard unmolested car.

[MightyBadger]

Straight to the ste numberplates thread

[spikyone]

gruppeb86 said:

Am a interested to know; What justification is there for a 10-14K difference in regard to the pricing when new? What more do you get for your money?

Not quite sure what you mean. This is (roughly) the same price it would've been when new. The £45k one is the facelift, which is a combination of the fact that the original one was highly bespoke and probably sold at a loss at £30k plus options, and that we've had high inflation globally since the original was launched, which has made all cars more expensive. And the facelift has a number of improvements over the original car that have been universally well-received.

[Wab1974uk]

gruppeb86 said:

Am a interested to know; What justification is there for a 10-14K difference in regard to the pricing when new? What more do you get for your money?

A) Its well known Toyota lost money on every full fat GR-Yaris.
B) You do know the cost of materials has spiralled since 2020 don't you?
C) Why should Toyota make a loss on every car just because people think a bespoke, carbon roofed Rally car with number plates should be sold for the same price as Grannies Yaris Hybrid.

Name one other car currently on sale today that is as bespoke as the Yaris?

[Giantt]

86wasagoodyear said:

It has a GR badge so everyone can tell what it is. Just have a normal number plate.

That is a normal plate, just CH4VY spacing?

[CG2020UK]

Wab1974uk said:

A) Its well known Toyota lost money on every full fat GR-Yaris.

I’m calling this one as complete myth.

Maybe don’t make as much margin as their other products but not a chance they’d have went ahead of they didn’t know they would make money.

Toyota are a for profit company not a charity.

[Leon R]

CG2020UK said:

Wab1974uk said:

A) Its well known Toyota lost money on every full fat GR-Yaris.

I’m calling this one as complete myth.

Maybe don’t make as much margin as their other products but not a chance they’d have went ahead of they didn’t know they would make money.

Toyota are a for profit company not a charity.

I don't know the answer for sure but having a halo product that loses money overall is hardly unprecedented in the automotive world.

[spikyone]

CG2020UK said:

Wab1974uk said:

A) Its well known Toyota lost money on every full fat GR-Yaris.

I’m calling this one as complete myth.

Maybe don’t make as much margin as their other products but not a chance they’d have went ahead of they didn’t know they would make money.

Toyota are a for profit company not a charity.

Look at the level of tech in that car and tell me it's a £30k car. Bespoke and particularly high performance engine, bespoke AWD system, virtually every body panel was bespoke and some of them were carbon.

All of those things were high cost in their own right, never mind the development costs that would only be amortised over a fairly small production run. Yet it was cheaper than a Golf R, which shares a whole lot more with other Golfs.

They built it for marketing, because it would've been the basis of their WRC car. They're not a charity but they got a hundred times more publicity off the back of this than they did from the regular Yaris, so think of the "loss" as Toyota paying for that publicity.

[wc98]

CG2020UK said:

I’m calling this one as complete myth.

Maybe don’t make as much margin as their other products but not a chance they’d have went ahead of they didn’t know they would make money.

Toyota are a for profit company not a charity.

Agreed. Given they made well over 5000 dollars book profit per car in 2023 on over 10 million cars sold globally i am not buying there was no profit in a Yaris. Yes it has plenty of bespoke parts but when made in decent volume the price of most things drops significantly.

[clacs2]

BIRMA said:

I have always modified the cars I own but in the case of the GR I'm keeping it bog standard because I think Toyota in my opinion got this car about right.

Which is why the mention of the wheel spacers is a concern, I really wouldn't want to be messing around with offset on such a well sorted car, geometry-wise.

[Wab1974uk]

CG2020UK said:

Wab1974uk said:

A) Its well known Toyota lost money on every full fat GR-Yaris.

I’m calling this one as complete myth.

Maybe don’t make as much margin as their other products but not a chance they’d have went ahead of they didn’t know they would make money.

Toyota are a for profit company not a charity.

Ford lost £7-8,000 on every MK1 Focus RS is built. It wasn't as bespoke as the Yaris, or did it develop a new AWD system for it, or give it a carbon roof, or front and rear trick diffs. The Diff fitted to the Focus was hot & miss. Great on smooth roads, but an absolute nightmare when not. And yes, I owned one from new for 2 years.

Edited by Wab1974uk on Thursday 2nd May 16:25

[EK9_CTR]

I'm not surprised if Toyota incurred losses on the GRY, certainly at the original £33,495 that I got mine at.

The spec is insane when you look at all the components not to mention the fact it shares very little with a regular Yaris. And it was built on a dedicated assembly line in the Motomachi plant.

I recall in 2020 somebody high up in Toyota was asked how they're making any profit from it, I believe the Toyota rep ignored the question.

[mooseracer]

Dombilano said:

J4CKO said:

Dombilano said:

Airtec, for the authentic 63 plate fiesta ST look in mcdonald's car park at 11pm

Or, on track during daylight hours lapping faster than any shopping car has any right to, picking on M2s and stuff key is to have an Airtec Intercooler but not have it show through the grille.

Airtec intercoolers are really quite good, just a bit heavy.

Wouldnt pay 36 grand for that though, doesnt need the kit and you dont generally get your money back on modifications.

Exactly my point, you don't need to show it, the association with chavs round here would make my balls shrink in shame. I'm sure Airtec or any other good intercooler brand work well.

And yet you have a 140?

(I have one too btw before you get all shirty )

[NGK210]

FMIC upgrade but no remap? Yeah, right! Suspect remap’s been removed for the sale.

Needs a PPI / engine diagnostic by Toyota – will the 10-year warranty be valid?

There’s a 50:50 chance it’s been thrashed by someone with a f*ck ‘em ‘n’ chuck ‘em mentality.

Why risk it when there’re plenty of OEM-spec FSH 1-owner cars, with remainder of the 10-year warranty, for fewer £s?

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