Potholes - Porsche Driver Killed
Discussion
FMOB said:
I would suggest that looking at the picture of the pothole shows a much darker colour tarmac in parts of the area around the ironwork so it looks to have been worked on indicating the Council knew about it, its condition and risk it presented.
The CE has responsibility for running the day to day operations of the council.
RE: funding would you pay more?
Possibly a new drain, I’ve had a look on street view and can’t find it from a year ago although possibly some spray paint to indicate some future work. I haven’t driven the road for a couple of months but don’t ever remember it. The CE has responsibility for running the day to day operations of the council.
RE: funding would you pay more?
ecsrobin said:
Possibly a new drain, I’ve had a look on street view and can’t find it from a year ago although possibly some spray paint to indicate some future work. I haven’t driven the road for a couple of months but don’t ever remember it.
Inadequate drainage and waterlogging of the surface and the substrate is a known cause of increased road deterioration.Combine an increase in rainfall during winter and daily temperature oscillations around the freeze/thaw point with lack of funding for maintenance and repairs and there should be no surprise that the surface is breaking up faster than it used to.
If, for example, this manhole was attached to a blocked drain and was waterlogged for a decent period of time, the road surface damage around it doesn't surprise me at all.
Nomme de Plum said:
911Spanker said:
Nomme de Plum said:
FMOB said:
That is awful.
I hope the Police can find clear evidence that the presence of the pothole was the root cause of the incident and the Council gets prosecuted for manslaughter.
A rather silly suggestion. A council cannot be prosecuted for manslaughter nor can the government who have underfunded authorities or even the tax payers who clearly do not contribute enough to make the whole system function correctlyI hope the Police can find clear evidence that the presence of the pothole was the root cause of the incident and the Council gets prosecuted for manslaughter.
There is only one person responsible and unfortunately he has died.
Had the driver been travelling at an appropriate speed he would not have lost control and created so much damage. At least there were no other fatalities.
BTW Taxes including VED are not hypothecated.
Or do you know differently? If so, please post the link.
One could assume that this pothole may have caused many similar incidents albeit not fatal. Is this the case.
It is unfortunate that our economy is not in a great place so councils have other priorities on which to spend scant resource. Many people suffer and some die due to lack of resource.
PH seems to attract a few posters who like to point the finger. It is rarely so black and white in real life.
911Spanker said:
Nomme de Plum said:
911Spanker said:
Nomme de Plum said:
FMOB said:
That is awful.
I hope the Police can find clear evidence that the presence of the pothole was the root cause of the incident and the Council gets prosecuted for manslaughter.
A rather silly suggestion. A council cannot be prosecuted for manslaughter nor can the government who have underfunded authorities or even the tax payers who clearly do not contribute enough to make the whole system function correctlyI hope the Police can find clear evidence that the presence of the pothole was the root cause of the incident and the Council gets prosecuted for manslaughter.
There is only one person responsible and unfortunately he has died.
Had the driver been travelling at an appropriate speed he would not have lost control and created so much damage. At least there were no other fatalities.
BTW Taxes including VED are not hypothecated.
Or do you know differently? If so, please post the link.
One could assume that this pothole may have caused many similar incidents albeit not fatal. Is this the case.
It is unfortunate that our economy is not in a great place so councils have other priorities on which to spend scant resource. Many people suffer and some die due to lack of resource.
PH seems to attract a few posters who like to point the finger. It is rarely so black and white in real life.
k on every fking thread. Wonder who he was before?MDMA . said:
911Spanker said:
Nomme de Plum said:
911Spanker said:
Nomme de Plum said:
FMOB said:
That is awful.
I hope the Police can find clear evidence that the presence of the pothole was the root cause of the incident and the Council gets prosecuted for manslaughter.
A rather silly suggestion. A council cannot be prosecuted for manslaughter nor can the government who have underfunded authorities or even the tax payers who clearly do not contribute enough to make the whole system function correctlyI hope the Police can find clear evidence that the presence of the pothole was the root cause of the incident and the Council gets prosecuted for manslaughter.
There is only one person responsible and unfortunately he has died.
Had the driver been travelling at an appropriate speed he would not have lost control and created so much damage. At least there were no other fatalities.
BTW Taxes including VED are not hypothecated.
Or do you know differently? If so, please post the link.
One could assume that this pothole may have caused many similar incidents albeit not fatal. Is this the case.
It is unfortunate that our economy is not in a great place so councils have other priorities on which to spend scant resource. Many people suffer and some die due to lack of resource.
PH seems to attract a few posters who like to point the finger. It is rarely so black and white in real life.
k on every fking thread. Wonder who he was before?And here's one where a pothole definitely did kill a road user:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/06/cyclis...
Cyclists are much more vulnerable to potholes, followed by motorcyclists. Road maintenance has become appalling nowadays.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/06/cyclis...
Cyclists are much more vulnerable to potholes, followed by motorcyclists. Road maintenance has become appalling nowadays.
911Spanker said:
So why are you presuming the speed was excessive? I thought you knew something but obviously not. Just jumping to conclusions it would seem.
Not at all I just look at the damage. That is a significant amount of kinetic energy being dissipated. I'm confident you understand It is just physics. Speed limits are a guide not a target.
MDMA . said:
NdP is PH’s new, resident know it all. Annoying as fk on every fking thread. Wonder who he was before?
The gentleman concerned is very sadly dead and of similar age to me. Many drivers will have driven the same road and fortunately they have not suffered the same fate.k on every fking thread. Wonder who he was before?So what is your take on this sad situation?
Nomme de Plum said:
911Spanker said:
So why are you presuming the speed was excessive? I thought you knew something but obviously not. Just jumping to conclusions it would seem.
Not at all I just look at the damage. That is a significant amount of kinetic energy being dissipated. I'm confident you understand It is just physics. Speed limits are a guide not a target.
Gordon Hill said:
And if you actually read what he posts he is nowhere near as educated and forward thinking and enlightened as he makes out, it's mostly guff and nonsense. This superior intellect facade is cringeworthy in the extreme.
Ill informed speculation rarely proves to be accurate. georgeyboy12345 said:
This is what you get when you vote conservative, who cut funding on everything like this while still raising taxes even though they say they won’t. The roads were never this bad pre 2010.
It's what you get when the councils employ the cheapest bodge jobs to come along, whacker a bit of tarmac onto it and then move on, only to come back weeks later to do the same thing.Gordon Hill said:
MDMA . said:
911Spanker said:
Nomme de Plum said:
911Spanker said:
Nomme de Plum said:
FMOB said:
That is awful.
I hope the Police can find clear evidence that the presence of the pothole was the root cause of the incident and the Council gets prosecuted for manslaughter.
A rather silly suggestion. A council cannot be prosecuted for manslaughter nor can the government who have underfunded authorities or even the tax payers who clearly do not contribute enough to make the whole system function correctlyI hope the Police can find clear evidence that the presence of the pothole was the root cause of the incident and the Council gets prosecuted for manslaughter.
There is only one person responsible and unfortunately he has died.
Had the driver been travelling at an appropriate speed he would not have lost control and created so much damage. At least there were no other fatalities.
BTW Taxes including VED are not hypothecated.
Or do you know differently? If so, please post the link.
One could assume that this pothole may have caused many similar incidents albeit not fatal. Is this the case.
It is unfortunate that our economy is not in a great place so councils have other priorities on which to spend scant resource. Many people suffer and some die due to lack of resource.
PH seems to attract a few posters who like to point the finger. It is rarely so black and white in real life.
k on every fking thread. Wonder who he was before?
Getragdogleg said:
Total lack of any kind of maintenance by the council.
I report potholes frequently and normally get the copy/paste response of "our inspector found the surface to be within the standard contained in the highway manual". No further action to be taken.
I only report potholes that are deep enough and large enough.
Its absolutely scandalous.
If they do deem it's big enough to fix a man comes round with a pot of hot black porridge and put it in the hole with no prep. It's back out again a few days later.
Or we get spray paint round the hole and nothing else done to it.
I dive the 4x4 98% of the time now. It's not safe to use the nice cars.
Mmmm…it is almost like our councils have no money. Have you thought to ask why that might be the case rather than just moaning about potholes? I report potholes frequently and normally get the copy/paste response of "our inspector found the surface to be within the standard contained in the highway manual". No further action to be taken.
I only report potholes that are deep enough and large enough.
Its absolutely scandalous.
If they do deem it's big enough to fix a man comes round with a pot of hot black porridge and put it in the hole with no prep. It's back out again a few days later.
Or we get spray paint round the hole and nothing else done to it.
I dive the 4x4 98% of the time now. It's not safe to use the nice cars.
Perhaps you haven’t noticed the disappearing libraries and other services that used to be provided by councils.
Nomme de Plum said:
911Spanker said:
So why are you presuming the speed was excessive? I thought you knew something but obviously not. Just jumping to conclusions it would seem.
Not at all I just look at the damage. That is a significant amount of kinetic energy being dissipated. I'm confident you understand It is just physics. Speed limits are a guide not a target.
When people say excessive, it's often interpreted as exceeding the limit but this was definitely excessive for the conditions (and possibly for the age of the driver) irrespective of the speed limit.
Very sad though, for all concerned.
ecsrobin said:
FMOB said:
I would suggest that looking at the picture of the pothole shows a much darker colour tarmac in parts of the area around the ironwork so it looks to have been worked on indicating the Council knew about it, its condition and risk it presented.
The CE has responsibility for running the day to day operations of the council.
RE: funding would you pay more?
Possibly a new drain, I’ve had a look on street view and can’t find it from a year ago although possibly some spray paint to indicate some future work. I haven’t driven the road for a couple of months but don’t ever remember it. The CE has responsibility for running the day to day operations of the council.
RE: funding would you pay more?
Just as likely to have been swerving around this:
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