GTS 4.0 Engine Failure
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Discombobulate said:
GTRene said:
but but, then its no longer a matching numbers car.
not that such would trouble me much, but it can be for some.
Matters not a jot on a cooking 997. Or won’t anytime soon. not that such would trouble me much, but it can be for some.
Plus engine change for factory replacement is recorded and in V5. Car no longer ours but we still have a 997, albeit with a Hartech 4.1.
Most 991 GT3 owners look for non matching numbers
I wouldn't even bid on a car like that.
ChocolateFrog said:
I wouldn't want a car that had had an engine change. Not because its not a matching numbers car but because the techs that will be fitting it will having nothing on their mind other than getting the job done as quickly as possible. Guaranteed to be nuts, bolts and clips missing or broken. Particularly anything out of sight or hard to reach. Electrical connectors that no longer snap shut but are just pushed back on and hope for the best.
I wouldn't even bid on a car like that.
Fair enough. I wouldn't even bid on a car like that.
Not the same ball park but my 987 S had a new short block from Porsche due to 'excessive smoke' (so bore scoring). The short block was £5.5k and the total invoice was about £10k. They put the old heads back on but new timing chain, head bolts, gaskets, water pump and clutch. Everything you'd expect really.
I spoke to a friend who is a Porsche tech officer 10 years and now does their QC. He said they only use appropriately trained staff for such jobs and change literally every wear or perishable part - o-rings, seals, bolts if specced. He reckoned there should be no issues.
And I don't think your assertion about 'plugs not fitting back' really holds true with a 2018 car. I've pissed about in engine bays 2 decades old and those connectors are incredibly resilient and well engineered. Never had an issue even with mt ham fists.
That was in 2018 at 48k miles, car is on 68k now so it's a 20k mile engine.
Oddly, the Porsche supplied short block has no engine number.... So it can be a matching numbers car if I want it to be.
My take was very much that I was getting a much newer short block, with much lower chance of scoring and no chance of skimped services, with an otherwise perfect car. It had run 15k since then and has done another 5k after and is sweet as a peach and doesn't use a drop of oil even on track.
Running a swapped MR2 really got me over my fear of major engine work. I put 3 engines through that car and thrashed them mercilessly and it was faultlessly reliable. (Except the 100k engine we spun a bearing on track but eh, that wasn't the car or the swaps fault).
Edited by WeirdNeville on Wednesday 10th April 17:52
ChocolateFrog said:
I wouldn't want a car that had had an engine change. Not because its not a matching numbers car but because the techs that will be fitting it will having nothing on their mind other than getting the job done as quickly as possible. Guaranteed to be nuts, bolts and clips missing or broken. Particularly anything out of sight or hard to reach. Electrical connectors that no longer snap shut but are just pushed back on and hope for the best.
I wouldn't even bid on a car like that.
If the engine has gone bang having a complete engine swap is obviously the best way out for the OP.I wouldn't even bid on a car like that.
As for your description of the standard of workmanship at OPCs that is complete rubbish, you may well be rubbish at what you do in your day job but you cannot assume the techs at OPCs are the same.
They won't be putting the bloke who dries off the cars on the forecourt to do it, they have highly trained experienced techs they put on these kinds of jobs.
Once the job is done the OP will have an as new car anyone would be delighted to own.
ChocolateFrog said:
I wouldn't want a car that had had an engine change. Not because its not a matching numbers car but because the techs that will be fitting it will having nothing on their mind other than getting the job done as quickly as possible. Guaranteed to be nuts, bolts and clips missing or broken. Particularly anything out of sight or hard to reach. Electrical connectors that no longer snap shut but are just pushed back on and hope for the best.
I wouldn't even bid on a car like that.
It's really not that hard with a complete engine. Reinstall is circa three hours with a mechanic who knows what he is doing. I'd be less happy with a block replacement where everything has to be swapped over.I wouldn't even bid on a car like that.
ChocolateFrog said:
I wouldn't want a car that had had an engine change. Not because its not a matching numbers car but because the techs that will be fitting it will having nothing on their mind other than getting the job done as quickly as possible. Guaranteed to be nuts, bolts and clips missing or broken. Particularly anything out of sight or hard to reach. Electrical connectors that no longer snap shut but are just pushed back on and hope for the best.
I wouldn't even bid on a car like that.
How odd then that vast numbers of pre May 2014 991.1 GT3s and early run 718 GT4s with new engines fitted at OPCs as expected had no issues whatsoever.I wouldn't even bid on a car like that.
GT3Manthey said:
andygo said:
I prefer to warm my cars up, you can be the boss without being a t
t! 
Me too, im old school. t! Let it get to 80 on the dial then go for it.
The way I see it if Porsche make such an effort to regulate the engine temp to 90c they must be doing that for a reason.
If it is good enough for them, then it is good enough for me, waiting a few minutes to get up to 90c isn’t going to matter to me.
Well, the day has come when I get my car back, with a new engine fitted.
The OPC has really worked hard to get everything done right, and Porsche have not been slow to offer compensation.
I will see how the car is later today, beginning the running-in process for the new engine.
Feeling anxious right now!!!!
The OPC has really worked hard to get everything done right, and Porsche have not been slow to offer compensation.
I will see how the car is later today, beginning the running-in process for the new engine.
Feeling anxious right now!!!!
Jazzer said:
Well, the day has come when I get my car back, with a new engine fitted.
The OPC has really worked hard to get everything done right, and Porsche have not been slow to offer compensation.
I will see how the car is later today, beginning the running-in process for the new engine.
Feeling anxious right now!!!!
Good news and good luck with it all . The OPC has really worked hard to get everything done right, and Porsche have not been slow to offer compensation.
I will see how the car is later today, beginning the running-in process for the new engine.
Feeling anxious right now!!!!
What did they do by way of compensation?
Evening!
The car was presented like a new car this afternoon, the OPC exceeded my expectations and made my day.
The work done was listed in the documentation - the bill without warranty would have been eye-watering.
Porsche GB gave me decent financial compensation, in addition of course to a completely new engine.
It really felt like getting a new car, made even better by the (very) sedate drive home in lovely sunshine.
I will run-in the engine carefully, gradually stretching it over a couple of thousand miles.
Any suggestions about run-in procedures?
The car was presented like a new car this afternoon, the OPC exceeded my expectations and made my day.
The work done was listed in the documentation - the bill without warranty would have been eye-watering.
Porsche GB gave me decent financial compensation, in addition of course to a completely new engine.
It really felt like getting a new car, made even better by the (very) sedate drive home in lovely sunshine.
I will run-in the engine carefully, gradually stretching it over a couple of thousand miles.
Any suggestions about run-in procedures?
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