EVs... no one wants them!
Discussion
CheesecakeRunner said:
FiF said:
just rude.
I know. I’m tired of a generation of people having no regard for anyone younger than them who will actually have to live with the issues they’ve caused. Big Nanas said:
So, just to be clear, you drive 1300 miles in 20 hours with just one break? That's nearly 70mph average speed.
Wow.
Would it not be safer/cheaper to just use a plane?
2 adults, 2 kids, dog. About 500 quid in fuel and 200ish on the tunnel. Not any difference really. Missus does first half and I do second. Wow.
Would it not be safer/cheaper to just use a plane?
Cost isn't much different once you factor in car rental costs at the other end. Plus plane tickets since COVID have become nuts.
Merc 450 said:
CheesecakeRunner said:
FiF said:
just rude.
I know. I’m tired of a generation of people having no regard for anyone younger than them who will actually have to live with the issues they’ve caused. Just to keep on topic: I quite like EVs and may get one soon.
Reading this thread, I've concluded there are two types of potential EV buyers, and the different views of these two types are causing all the "arguments" if I can use that word.
Type one: Those who talk with phrases like BIK, PLP, Salary sacrifice, etc, i.e people who don't give a sugar lump if it breaks, or if the battery is worn out in 3 years, because the risk is someone else's.
Then there's type two (like me now) who have spent years perfecting the art of choosing wisely, listening to engines and gearboxes, because we pay for our cars. I don't buy a Land Rover diesel, I don't want a BMW with a chocolate timing chain at the wrong end of the engine, I buy more boring things that work. For us, the thought of ending up with a huge paperweight in the drive (like a Zoe needing £11K for a heater or something) is a worry, because we can't select accordingly, it's just a random risk. For us a used petrol car still makes a lot of sense, and the smooth driving silence is no compensation for a huge bill.
Type one: Those who talk with phrases like BIK, PLP, Salary sacrifice, etc, i.e people who don't give a sugar lump if it breaks, or if the battery is worn out in 3 years, because the risk is someone else's.
Then there's type two (like me now) who have spent years perfecting the art of choosing wisely, listening to engines and gearboxes, because we pay for our cars. I don't buy a Land Rover diesel, I don't want a BMW with a chocolate timing chain at the wrong end of the engine, I buy more boring things that work. For us, the thought of ending up with a huge paperweight in the drive (like a Zoe needing £11K for a heater or something) is a worry, because we can't select accordingly, it's just a random risk. For us a used petrol car still makes a lot of sense, and the smooth driving silence is no compensation for a huge bill.
M4cruiser said:
Reading this thread, I've concluded there are two types of potential EV buyers, and the different views of these two types are causing all the "arguments" if I can use that word.
Type one: Those who talk with phrases like BIK, PLP, Salary sacrifice, etc, i.e people who don't give a sugar lump if it breaks, or if the battery is worn out in 3 years, because the risk is someone else's.
Then there's type two (like me now) who have spent years perfecting the art of choosing wisely, listening to engines and gearboxes, because we pay for our cars. I don't buy a Land Rover diesel, I don't want a BMW with a chocolate timing chain at the wrong end of the engine, I buy more boring things that work. For us, the thought of ending up with a huge paperweight in the drive (like a Zoe needing £11K for a heater or something) is a worry, because we can't select accordingly, it's just a random risk. For us a used petrol car still makes a lot of sense, and the smooth driving silence is no compensation for a huge bill.
What percentage of EVs have a "worn out" battery at 3 years old? Type one: Those who talk with phrases like BIK, PLP, Salary sacrifice, etc, i.e people who don't give a sugar lump if it breaks, or if the battery is worn out in 3 years, because the risk is someone else's.
Then there's type two (like me now) who have spent years perfecting the art of choosing wisely, listening to engines and gearboxes, because we pay for our cars. I don't buy a Land Rover diesel, I don't want a BMW with a chocolate timing chain at the wrong end of the engine, I buy more boring things that work. For us, the thought of ending up with a huge paperweight in the drive (like a Zoe needing £11K for a heater or something) is a worry, because we can't select accordingly, it's just a random risk. For us a used petrol car still makes a lot of sense, and the smooth driving silence is no compensation for a huge bill.
BricktopST205 said:
740EVTORQUES said:
Stopping at a French motorway services (don’t need petrol yet but I do need a break, what’s that about cars with a 600 mile range…) there are banks of chargers with plenty free and. with speeds up to 300 kW and they have a digital sign displaying the prices just as you find for petrol.
The price is 0.57 euros per kWh, a lot cheaper than petrol Thats what we need in the UK, competitive pricing for public fast chargers .
Its simply not a problem as the infrastructure improves.
My mother lives 1300 miles away in Europe. I can do the trip in 20 hours with just 1 stop on the continent in Germany to fill up fuel. I leave England early in the morning and just about get there before the sun goes down in summer The price is 0.57 euros per kWh, a lot cheaper than petrol Thats what we need in the UK, competitive pricing for public fast chargers .
Its simply not a problem as the infrastructure improves.
. Been doing it for nearly 10 years now.
What kind of range do you get when you are doing 140kph on the motorway?
Edited by BricktopST205 on Saturday 4th May 14:03
I simply couldn’t fathom driving for 10 hours without a break, 2-3 is my safe limit from boredom
M4cruiser said:
Reading this thread, I've concluded there are two types of potential EV buyers, and the different views of these two types are causing all the "arguments" if I can use that word.
Type one: Those who talk with phrases like BIK, PLP, Salary sacrifice, etc, i.e people who don't give a sugar lump if it breaks, or if the battery is worn out in 3 years, because the risk is someone else's.
Then there's type two (like me now) who have spent years perfecting the art of choosing wisely, listening to engines and gearboxes, because we pay for our cars. I don't buy a Land Rover diesel, I don't want a BMW with a chocolate timing chain at the wrong end of the engine, I buy more boring things that work. For us, the thought of ending up with a huge paperweight in the drive (like a Zoe needing £11K for a heater or something) is a worry, because we can't select accordingly, it's just a random risk. For us a used petrol car still makes a lot of sense, and the smooth driving silence is no compensation for a huge bill.
Random risks exist with used petrol cars and huge bills! Type one: Those who talk with phrases like BIK, PLP, Salary sacrifice, etc, i.e people who don't give a sugar lump if it breaks, or if the battery is worn out in 3 years, because the risk is someone else's.
Then there's type two (like me now) who have spent years perfecting the art of choosing wisely, listening to engines and gearboxes, because we pay for our cars. I don't buy a Land Rover diesel, I don't want a BMW with a chocolate timing chain at the wrong end of the engine, I buy more boring things that work. For us, the thought of ending up with a huge paperweight in the drive (like a Zoe needing £11K for a heater or something) is a worry, because we can't select accordingly, it's just a random risk. For us a used petrol car still makes a lot of sense, and the smooth driving silence is no compensation for a huge bill.
I had no real interest in an EV until I drove one. Now I’d never go back to ICE for daily. That’s saved for fun drives / trips / the weekends.
Best of both worlds.
Some weird comments about “renting”. Leasing an electric via a Ltd company is very tax efficient and especially favourable given the brutal deprecation of EVs.
Best of both worlds.
Some weird comments about “renting”. Leasing an electric via a Ltd company is very tax efficient and especially favourable given the brutal deprecation of EVs.
MrBogSmith said:
I had no real interest in an EV until I drove one. Now I’d never go back to ICE for daily. That’s saved for fun drives / trips / the weekends.
Best of both worlds.
Some weird comments about “renting”. Leasing an electric via a Ltd company is very tax efficient and especially favourable given the brutal deprecation of EVs.
I was the opposite. Tried loads of EVs and got bored with them after 30 mins. Best of both worlds.
Some weird comments about “renting”. Leasing an electric via a Ltd company is very tax efficient and especially favourable given the brutal deprecation of EVs.
Ended up getting one mainly for Mrs S and it’s great as a city / town car. Still not interested in one as family car.
I don’t really commute anymore though, but when I did I enjoyed taking the long way home when conditions allowed or I was in the mood for some fast road driving. Can’t see that happening with the current crop of EVs.
Looking forward to stuff like the new Renault 5 EV. Hopefully that’ll create some interest in EVs that are fun to drive / more focussed.
survivalist said:
MrBogSmith said:
I had no real interest in an EV until I drove one. Now I’d never go back to ICE for daily. That’s saved for fun drives / trips / the weekends.
Best of both worlds.
Some weird comments about “renting”. Leasing an electric via a Ltd company is very tax efficient and especially favourable given the brutal deprecation of EVs.
I was the opposite. Tried loads of EVs and got bored with them after 30 mins. Best of both worlds.
Some weird comments about “renting”. Leasing an electric via a Ltd company is very tax efficient and especially favourable given the brutal deprecation of EVs.
Ended up getting one mainly for Mrs S and it’s great as a city / town car. Still not interested in one as family car.
I don’t really commute anymore though, but when I did I enjoyed taking the long way home when conditions allowed or I was in the mood for some fast road driving. Can’t see that happening with the current crop of EVs.
Looking forward to stuff like the new Renault 5 EV. Hopefully that’ll create some interest in EVs that are fun to drive / more focussed.
I think we differ slightly as my goals for my daily are something quiet, refined and “luxurious”. I don’t want any sport type stuff. I think EVs do these things (certainly the former two) better now.
I agree that for more engaging / fast B-road type stuff EVs don’t replace or get near ICE.
I also value the contrast. Going from feeling like you’re floating in a cocooned pillow (slightly weird description) to something quite raw and focused makes it feel more special.
Edited by MrBogSmith on Saturday 4th May 19:57
BricktopST205 said:
740EVTORQUES said:
No idea, but it hardly matters when you can charge at 300kW for 0.57 euros.
I simply couldn’t fathom driving for 10 hours without a break, 2-3 is my safe limit from boredom
That's good because you would be out of battery doing 140km for 3 hours anyway. I simply couldn’t fathom driving for 10 hours without a break, 2-3 is my safe limit from boredom
raspy said:
Random risks exist with used petrol cars and huge bills!
I haven't had a major component failure in my Japanese boring cars for a few decades now. Nor in my partner's various econo-boxes, except the Renault.I see that Renault are now grouped with Nissan and Mitsubishi, which must be bad news for Nissan and Mitsubishi.
MrBogSmith said:
survivalist said:
MrBogSmith said:
I had no real interest in an EV until I drove one. Now I’d never go back to ICE for daily. That’s saved for fun drives / trips / the weekends.
Best of both worlds.
Some weird comments about “renting”. Leasing an electric via a Ltd company is very tax efficient and especially favourable given the brutal deprecation of EVs.
I was the opposite. Tried loads of EVs and got bored with them after 30 mins. Best of both worlds.
Some weird comments about “renting”. Leasing an electric via a Ltd company is very tax efficient and especially favourable given the brutal deprecation of EVs.
Ended up getting one mainly for Mrs S and it’s great as a city / town car. Still not interested in one as family car.
I don’t really commute anymore though, but when I did I enjoyed taking the long way home when conditions allowed or I was in the mood for some fast road driving. Can’t see that happening with the current crop of EVs.
Looking forward to stuff like the new Renault 5 EV. Hopefully that’ll create some interest in EVs that are fun to drive / more focussed.
I think we differ slightly as my goals for my daily are something quiet, refined and “luxurious”. I don’t want any sport type stuff. I think EVs do these things (certainly the former two) better now.
I agree that for more engaging / fast B-road type stuff EVs don’t replace or get near ICE.
I also value the contrast. Going from feeling like you’re floating in a cocooned pillow (slightly weird description) to something quite raw and focused makes it feel more special.
Edited by MrBogSmith on Saturday 4th May 19:57
Given than most people have given up on manual gearboxes, I think the EV powertrain is a great option for a small hatch. It’s not like people evangelise about the majorly of 4 cylinder engines that sit in most hot hatches these days. I guess a certain demographic will miss the option of a pops and bangs remap though.
BricktopST205 said:
2 adults, 2 kids, dog. About 500 quid in fuel and 200ish on the tunnel. Not any difference really. Missus does first half and I do second.
Cost isn't much different once you factor in car rental costs at the other end. Plus plane tickets since COVID have become nuts.
lol, you sit your kids in a car for 20 hours with one break? Course you do. Cost isn't much different once you factor in car rental costs at the other end. Plus plane tickets since COVID have become nuts.
Chucky-egg said:
BricktopST205 said:
2 adults, 2 kids, dog. About 500 quid in fuel and 200ish on the tunnel. Not any difference really. Missus does first half and I do second.
Cost isn't much different once you factor in car rental costs at the other end. Plus plane tickets since COVID have become nuts.
lol, you sit your kids in a car for 20 hours with one break? Course you do. Cost isn't much different once you factor in car rental costs at the other end. Plus plane tickets since COVID have become nuts.
Children were fine with it. Netflix, YouTube and video games make the time pass by.
French toll roads make it easy to cruise at 90mph with almost zero risk of fines. Plus the added benefit of a warning sign before even speed camera
. First time we did it we stopped half way. Was a waste of time. Arrive at a hotel at 6pm, eat, sleep, breakfast and then off again. Much better to do it in one day.
All done with a box on the roof and bikes on the back, which is where the EVs reliance on aerodynamic efficiency causes issues.
Granted, it’s not a regular occurrence, but most people want a family car that works for everything.
Chucky-egg said:
lol, you sit your kids in a car for 20 hours with one break? Course you do.
We stop for 5 minutes on the Autobahn for toilet breaks. You do realise on the continent you have motorway lay bys not like in the UK where the roads are just crap. I understand in the UK that "long" roadtrips are alien but I did Washington to Florida with my uncle a few years ago and that was a normal thing folk do over there.
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