An epidemic of insanely slow drivers

[Hoofy]

Julian Scott said:

Hoofy said:

Julian Scott said:

Julian Scott said:

They are IRL. I'll try to remember to photograph when I drive down tomorrow.

I know there was a google street image, but here was the NSL this morning:

Just overtake them. Plenty of scope for doing that without breaking the limit. I'll overtake in a 40 if someone's doing 32.

Not always easy when there are 2+ cars - TED becomes an issue.

Sure, you have to read the situation as it presents itself.

I'm not sure what that foul-mouthed bear has to do with anything, though.

[Julian Scott]

KTMsm said:

Julian Scott said:

I know there was a google street image, but here was the NSL this morning:



And in prophetic convenience, stuck behind the cars at just over half the speed limit:

In fairness - some of that is your fault - the first pic shows a perfect overtaking opportunity

If you knew the road, with two cars to pass, uncertain as to how they may/may not speed up, it isn't.

But that particular photo was purely to show the NSL signs, as asked for.

[KTMsm]

Julian Scott said:

If you knew the road, with two cars to pass, uncertain as to how they may/may not speed up, it isn't.

Sorry but this just demonstrates that whilst you think the two cars ahead of you are poor drivers, some may think the same of you

I'd highly doubt a Panda is significantly speeding up - if it does, abort the overtake but I'd be past in second gear before their brain has processed the NSL sign

[theplayingmantis]

Hoofy said:

Julian Scott said:

Julian Scott said:

They are IRL. I'll try to remember to photograph when I drive down tomorrow.

I know there was a google street image, but here was the NSL this morning:

Just overtake them. Plenty of scope for doing that without breaking the limit. I'll overtake in a 40 if someone's doing 32.

I did this for the 1st time in ages (ot in 40) in the Lelant -Longstone stretch going into carbis bay late the other night...its bendy but clear visibility to OT and plenty safe as anyone who knows the road will testify but the fiat 500 doing 20 on an empty road late at night didn't like it and hooted me as i overtook then flashed the high beam repeatedly. I was nearly home by then so OT to make a point rather than progress and then happened to not accelerate once i was well past (I didn't brake) after the full beam, crawling to a slow halt at the top of the hill. Childish and silly. But the imbecile in the 500 came to a stop 200 yards back, I assume out of some sense of fright? So hopefully was an inconvenienced as I was sitting behind them doing 10 and 20 under the limit the few miles previous...

[FiF]

KTMsm said:

Julian Scott said:

I know there was a google street image, but here was the NSL this morning:



And in prophetic convenience, stuck behind the cars at just over half the speed limit:

In fairness - some of that is your fault - the first pic shows a perfect overtaking opportunity

No it doesn't, as soon as the double lines end the single white central line is long dash short gap hazard line, and is that a deflection arrow a bit beyond the first car? Plus though the clarity of the image isn't brilliant but could you actually get past both vehicles and back on your own side in the shortish distance seen to be clear if an oncoming vehicle appeared?

In fairness, not "a perfect overtaking opportunity", not even close IMHO.

[vonhosen]

FiF said:

KTMsm said:

Julian Scott said:

I know there was a google street image, but here was the NSL this morning:



And in prophetic convenience, stuck behind the cars at just over half the speed limit:

In fairness - some of that is your fault - the first pic shows a perfect overtaking opportunity

No it doesn't, as soon as the double lines end the single white central line is long dash short gap hazard line, and is that a deflection arrow a bit beyond the first car? Plus though the clarity of the image isn't brilliant but could you actually get past both vehicles and back on your own side in the shortish distance seen to be clear if an oncoming vehicle appeared?

In fairness, not "a perfect overtaking opportunity", not even close IMHO.

In less than half the distance you can see to be clear!
If you are allowing for somebody coming towards you being just out of sight when you commit.

[Foss62]

bigothunter said:

808 Estate said:

One on the M42 yesterday doing around 50. Caused a tew trucks to make some rapid lane changes, or brake heavily.

How embarrassing and dangerous

Hopefully not too dangerous as you would need to do that speed on a space saver spare, or if the car went into ‘limp home’ mode…
The trucks would have around a 6mph closing speed, so not much excuse for them not coping with the situation.

[Hoofy]

theplayingmantis said:

Hoofy said:

Julian Scott said:

Julian Scott said:

They are IRL. I'll try to remember to photograph when I drive down tomorrow.

I know there was a google street image, but here was the NSL this morning:

Just overtake them. Plenty of scope for doing that without breaking the limit. I'll overtake in a 40 if someone's doing 32.

I did this for the 1st time in ages (ot in 40) in the Lelant -Longstone stretch going into carbis bay late the other night...its bendy but clear visibility to OT and plenty safe as anyone who knows the road will testify but the fiat 500 doing 20 on an empty road late at night didn't like it and hooted me as i overtook then flashed the high beam repeatedly. I was nearly home by then so OT to make a point rather than progress and then happened to not accelerate once i was well past (I didn't brake) after the full beam, crawling to a slow halt at the top of the hill. Childish and silly. But the imbecile in the 500 came to a stop 200 yards back, I assume out of some sense of fright? So hopefully was an inconvenienced as I was sitting behind them doing 10 and 20 under the limit the few miles previous...

I can't condone that kind of behaviour. Sure, he's a tt for not only driving like st but also getting angry because you overtook. I mean, if I could anonymously "like" your post, I would. However I can't so I'm sticking to saying, that's not cool doing that and you should just overtake and ignore rather than do what you did or even put your rear fogs on or stick your finger out the window. They probably will shut the fk up though from now on as their moaning wife probably had a go for hooting and full beaming then ended up being terrified that you might be an axe murderer.















Also, I guess doing the same in my TT won't have the same effect.

Maybe I'll come to a stop, then repeatedly flash my interior light. I understand that this is a standard dogging protocol so they might fear that I'm going to fk them from behind dry.

[KTMsm]

vonhosen said:

In less than half the distance you can see to be clear!
If you are allowing for somebody coming towards you being just out of sight when you commit.

Rubbish - I overtake in areas like that multiple times a day - zero accidents

If something appears you can either go between the two cars or back behind the first - but by the time that picture was taken I'd have already overtaken !

Hence as you an see - it was perfectly safe !

[vonhosen]

KTMsm said:

vonhosen said:

In less than half the distance you can see to be clear!
If you are allowing for somebody coming towards you being just out of sight when you commit.

Rubbish - I overtake in areas like that multiple times a day - zero accidents

If something appears you can either go between the two cars or back behind the first - but by the time that picture was taken I'd have already overtaken !

Hence as you an see - it was perfectly safe !

I'm talking about if there is not sufficient suitable gap to go between the two cars in front & you intend to pass both in one go, then you have to be able to complete the pass of both in less than half the distance you can see to be clear (that allows for a potential vehicle coming towards travelling at your speed).

If it's two separate overtakes that's different, you only have to be able to pass one of them in less than half the distance you can see to be clear.

[M4cruiser]

Julian Scott said:

Julian Scott said:

They are IRL. I'll try to remember to photograph when I drive down tomorrow.

I know there was a google street image, but here was the NSL this morning:

And in prophetic convenience, stuck behind the cars at just over half the speed limit:

And again 90 mins later on the way back:

Granted, the yellow car at 35mph is too slow. But I can't see past it (the door mirror is in the way) to see if there was a way past. Not that I would have gone past.
But the other pictures - it's a Fiat Panda I believe! What do you expect!

[FiF]

KTMsm said:

vonhosen said:

In less than half the distance you can see to be clear!
If you are allowing for somebody coming towards you being just out of sight when you commit.

Rubbish - I overtake in areas like that multiple times a day - zero accidents

If something appears you can either go between the two cars or back behind the first - but by the time that picture was taken I'd have already overtaken !

Hence as you an see - it was perfectly safe !

Care to rationalise these two statements?

KTMsm said:

I'd be out and accelerating the instant I was in the NSL

KTMsm said:

but by the time that picture was taken I'd have already overtaken !

But seems you did

KTMsm said:

Actually I'd have done it before that

Oh dear. Plus looking at position of the two vehicles ahead in relation to the dotted line markings there really isn't adequate space to return to the left if required. You're assuming that the Panda doesn't pull out or closes the already small gap.

It would be interesting to see a Google map of this stretch to measure out these alleged hundreds of meters.

Still you do you.

[M4cruiser]

vonhosen said:

I'm talking about if there is not sufficient suitable gap to go between the two cars in front & you intend to pass both in one go, then you have to be able to complete the pass of both in less than half the distance you can see to be clear (that allows for a potential vehicle coming towards travelling at your speed).

If it's two separate overtakes that's different, you only have to be able to pass one of them in less than half the distance you can see to be clear.

Yes, but you shouldn't squeeze in between the two cars ahead of you unless there's a 4-second gap between them.

[vonhosen]

M4cruiser said:

vonhosen said:

I'm talking about if there is not sufficient suitable gap to go between the two cars in front & you intend to pass both in one go, then you have to be able to complete the pass of both in less than half the distance you can see to be clear (that allows for a potential vehicle coming towards travelling at your speed).

If it's two separate overtakes that's different, you only have to be able to pass one of them in less than half the distance you can see to be clear.

Yes, but you shouldn't squeeze in between the two cars ahead of you unless there's a 4-second gap between them.

I covered if there isn't sufficient suitable gap in my statement, it needs to be a two vehicle pass or none then.

[theplayingmantis]

M4cruiser said:

Julian Scott said:

Julian Scott said:

They are IRL. I'll try to remember to photograph when I drive down tomorrow.

I know there was a google street image, but here was the NSL this morning:

And in prophetic convenience, stuck behind the cars at just over half the speed limit:

And again 90 mins later on the way back:

Granted, the yellow car at 35mph is too slow. But I can't see past it (the door mirror is in the way) to see if there was a way past. Not that I would have gone past.
But the other pictures - it's a Fiat Panda I believe! What do you expect!

Clever m4 very clever but I will continue to play.

You can't see past the wing mirror. Yet can see the lane in the immediacy and near distance is clear so surely you would position your self briefly to see past the wing mirror....

[KTMsm]

FiF said:

KTMsm said:

vonhosen said:

In less than half the distance you can see to be clear!
If you are allowing for somebody coming towards you being just out of sight when you commit.

Rubbish - I overtake in areas like that multiple times a day - zero accidents

If something appears you can either go between the two cars or back behind the first - but by the time that picture was taken I'd have already overtaken !

Hence as you an see - it was perfectly safe !

Care to rationalise these two statements?

KTMsm said:

I'd be out and accelerating the instant I was in the NSL

KTMsm said:

but by the time that picture was taken I'd have already overtaken !

But seems you did

KTMsm said:

Actually I'd have done it before that

Oh dear. Plus looking at position of the two vehicles ahead in relation to the dotted line markings there really isn't adequate space to return to the left if required. You're assuming that the Panda doesn't pull out or closes the already small gap.

It would be interesting to see a Google map of this stretch to measure out these alleged hundreds of meters.

Still you do you.

It's perfectly clear to me - exactly what don't you understand ?

I'd have closed the gap and be in a position to overtake as soon as it's safe to do so

However for the sheep who need to follow signs - you could also safely overtake - as shown by the pic, if you'd closed the gap, dropped to second, waited for the NSL sign, you'd be past them circa where the pic still shows it to be clear

[M4cruiser]

Om said:

I am not sure about accelerating hard (whatever that means) at a NSL being 'old-fashioned'. As always, drive to the conditions and be prepared to stop within the distance you can see to be clear should cover it.

Eco driving.
Example, from the web:
https://www.traveldevon.info/drive/eco-driving/

"Eco-driving is a driving style aimed at maximizing fuel efficiency and minimizing environmental impact. Here are some tips for eco-driving in the UK:
Smooth Driving: Avoid sudden acceleration and heavy braking. Smooth acceleration and braking can significantly reduce fuel consumption.
Maintain a Steady Speed: Try to maintain a steady speed whenever possible, especially on motorways and highways. Use cruise control if your vehicle is equipped with it.
Anticipate Traffic: Look ahead and anticipate traffic flow. This allows you to adjust your speed gradually rather than making sudden stops or accelerations."

With that in mind, I say again, what's the point in going past in that situation with the Panda etc? The writer already knows that section of road isn't long. You may save a minute.
Old fashioned means we didn't used to have any of this eco stuff. But we do now.

[bigothunter]

Foss62 said:

Hopefully not too dangerous as you would need to do that speed on a space saver spare, or if the car went into ‘limp home’ mode…
The trucks would have around a 6mph closing speed, so not much excuse for them not coping with the situation.

Do space saver tyres disintegrate at 56 mph? Slowing down trucks unnecessarily is ill advised. Integrate not impede.

[Om]

M4cruiser said:

Eco driving.
Example, from the web:
https://www.traveldevon.info/drive/eco-driving/

"Eco-driving is a driving style aimed at maximizing fuel efficiency and minimizing environmental impact. Here are some tips for eco-driving in the UK:
Smooth Driving: Avoid sudden acceleration and heavy braking. Smooth acceleration and braking can significantly reduce fuel consumption.
Maintain a Steady Speed: Try to maintain a steady speed whenever possible, especially on motorways and highways. Use cruise control if your vehicle is equipped with it.
Anticipate Traffic: Look ahead and anticipate traffic flow. This allows you to adjust your speed gradually rather than making sudden stops or accelerations."

With that in mind, I say again, what's the point in going past in that situation with the Panda etc? The writer already knows that section of road isn't long. You may save a minute.
Old fashioned means we didn't used to have any of this eco stuff. But we do now.

Nah - we have had eco-driving for at least the past 50 years. Get with the times Grandad!

[FiF]

KTMsm said:

- exactly what don't you understand ?

Understand perfectly what you're saying.

It's a matter of judgement.

You're maintaining it's a perfectly safe overtaking opportunity.

My opinion is that there is potential for things to go rapidly pear shaped and therefore not perfectly safe

Comments made by others suggest my thoughts are not alone.