Blanket 20mph limit across Wales from 2023

[Stella Tortoise]

bigothunter said:

bigothunter said:

Evanivitch said:

I'm great thanks! Just writing to the trunk roads agency for a 20 mph limit from Magor to Hendy. How are you? Got bored of being outed as a bigot in the other thread?

Having made the accusation, please explain how I have been bigoted.

Itchy is back but he can't answer. More statements without substance

I can’t answer for the Itcher but I spotted you being slapped down on the 6 Nation thread for having an ironic username when you tried to wind the Scots up. You were also called out recently on the ‘angry bloke shouting at a little old lady news thread’.

[Evanivitch]

carlo996 said:

Evanivitch said:

Plaid Cymru have cancelled the cooperation agreement over Vaughan Gething's dodgy money.

https://x.com/Plaid_Cymru/status/17914600513553368...

The most irrelevant party, state something nobody cares about.

Oh really? See, I thought the anti-Labour party would be happy that the government "coalition" had just broken and Labour no longer have a working majority.

But as you clearly know f'all about Welsh politics

[carlo996]

Evanivitch said:

Oh really? See, I thought the anti-Labour party would be happy that the government "coalition" had just broken and Labour no longer have a working majority.

But as you clearly know f'all about Welsh politics

Anti Labour, nah, anti daft, which is where you hardline leftists fail to grasp reality. The sooner that little apex is removed from Westminster’s remit and a hard border imposed the better for you eh

[Evanivitch]

carlo996 said:

Anti Labour, nah, anti daft, which is where you hardline leftists fail to grasp reality. The sooner that little apex is removed from Westminster’s remit and a hard border imposed the better for you eh

Hardline leftist I get eggs thrown by the hardline leftests just for going to work

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right

[bigothunter]

Stella Tortoise said:

I can’t answer for the Itcher but I spotted you being slapped down on the 6 Nation thread for having an ironic username when you tried to wind the Scots up. You were also called out recently on the ‘angry bloke shouting at a little old lady news thread’.

Over reaction from the precious woke lefties was most amusing even though I wasn't trying to provoke it

Regarding 6 Nations performance, it's a good job I didn't mention Wales

As for the "little old lady news", you're in cloud cuckoo land again

[carlo996]

Evanivitch said:

Hardline leftist I get eggs thrown by the hardline leftests just for going to work

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right

I’m most surprised you’re actively employed tbh

[bigothunter]

Oh dear - more bad news...

Telegraph said:

Wales’ 20mph speed limit did not improve air quality, study finds

Tories fear that ‘Labour will push the button on charging plans, as their only option to get commuters off the roads’.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/17/wales-...

[G Thang]

bigothunter said:

Oh dear - more bad news...

Telegraph said:

Wales’ 20mph speed limit did not improve air quality, study finds

Tories fear that ‘Labour will push the button on charging plans, as their only option to get commuters off the roads’.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/17/wales-...

I'm quite often down to second gear with relatively high revs in 20 sections, so I'm quite surprised that it hasn't got worse.

[oakdale]

G Thang said:

I'm quite often down to second gear with relatively high revs in 20 sections, so I'm quite surprised that it hasn't got worse.

I'm sure it has got worse, "information" from the WG should not be taken as factual.

[G Thang]

oakdale said:

G Thang said:

I'm quite often down to second gear with relatively high revs in 20 sections, so I'm quite surprised that it hasn't got worse.

I'm sure it has got worse, "information" from the WG should not be taken as factual.

Actually, two of the four surveys showed it had got worse, but it was within margin of error so wasn't conclusive. How convenient.

[monkfish1]

Evanivitch said:

Plaid Cymru have cancelled the cooperation agreement over Vaughan Gething's dodgy money.

https://x.com/Plaid_Cymru/status/17914600513553368...

Whilst interesting, not sure of its relevance to 20mph speed limits?

Unless its the 2nd paragraph where they are proud to have worked to impact peoples lives. Cant argue with that, the 20mph speed limit has indeed impacted, probably a greater number of people than any other policy. Almost entirely negatively.

Good work. Another tick in the box for making life just that little bit more difficult.

[Evanivitch]

monkfish1 said:

Whilst interesting, not sure of its relevance to 20mph speed limits?

As I said previously, this means Labour don't have a working majority in the Senedd. Not sure how anyone in Wales can read the article and miss that?

monkfish1 said:

Cant argue with that, the 20mph speed limit has indeed impacted, probably a greater number of people than any other policy. Almost entirely negatively.

The majority I've spoken to locally have been quite happy with it once it's settled in. Greatly reduced road noise and easier to cross the main road (which doesn't have any controlled pedestrian crossing).

[monkfish1]

Evanivitch said:

monkfish1 said:

Whilst interesting, not sure of its relevance to 20mph speed limits?

As I said previously, this means Labour don't have a working majority in the Senedd. Not sure how anyone in Wales can read the article and miss that?

monkfish1 said:

Cant argue with that, the 20mph speed limit has indeed impacted, probably a greater number of people than any other policy. Almost entirely negatively.

The majority I've spoken to locally have been quite happy with it once it's settled in. Greatly reduced road noise and easier to cross the main road (which doesn't have any controlled pedestrian crossing).

I missed nothing. Just not sure how it fits in here, thats all. No speed limits are changing back regardless of if they have overall control or not.

Of course thats the answer if you ask that question. Everyone thinks its great having a 20 outside THEIR house, just not everywhere else.

How you ask the question, dictates the likely answer.

Are you a politician by any chance.........................

[Byker28i]

G Thang said:

bigothunter said:

Oh dear - more bad news...

Telegraph said:

Wales’ 20mph speed limit did not improve air quality, study finds

Tories fear that ‘Labour will push the button on charging plans, as their only option to get commuters off the roads’.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/17/wales-...

I'm quite often down to second gear with relatively high revs in 20 sections, so I'm quite surprised that it hasn't got worse.

We said this at the time. instead of 30mph in 3rd, its now the same revs, 20moh in second, but longer to travel that section of road. I'm surprised it's not worse, especially as DPF regen seems to be coming in a lot now.

It was never about air quality, although that was thrown in as a sop to add reasons. It was always about discouraging use of the car and pushing reliance onto public transport, difficult outside the main cities.

Interesting they've now dropped the claim "safeguard the environment for future generations."
https://www.gov.wales/introducing-default-20mph-sp...

Which was there on the 19th April - almost as if they knew about that report so dropped the claims
https://web.archive.org/web/20240418192641/https:/...

Edited by Byker28i on Monday 20th May 14:13

[monkfish1]

Byker28i said:

G Thang said:

bigothunter said:

Oh dear - more bad news...

Telegraph said:

Wales’ 20mph speed limit did not improve air quality, study finds

Tories fear that ‘Labour will push the button on charging plans, as their only option to get commuters off the roads’.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/17/wales-...

I'm quite often down to second gear with relatively high revs in 20 sections, so I'm quite surprised that it hasn't got worse.

We said this at the time. instead of 30mph in 3rd, its now the same revs, 20moh in second, but longer to travel that section of road. I'm surprised it's not worse, especially as DPF regen seems to be coming in a lot now.

It was never about air quality, although that was thrown in as a sop to add reasons. It was always about discouraging use of the car and pushing reliance onto public transport, difficult outside the main cities.

Interesting they've now dropped the claim "safeguard the environment for future generations."
https://www.gov.wales/introducing-default-20mph-sp...

Which was there on the 19th April - almost as if they knew about that report so dropped the claims
https://web.archive.org/web/20240418192641/https:/...

Edited by Byker28i on Monday 20th May 14:13

People living outside the big towns and cities will just be collataral damage on the journey to eliminating car use. Insufficent votes from those of us living in the countryside. And a decent number would be the wrong sort of vote.

Quite how they see the public transport angle is still unclear to me given it simply doesnt have and can never have capacity to move everyone from place to place.

Which opens up other potential answers. Or just complete incompetence maybe?

[Byker28i]

I found it funny how they dropped the environment claim when the air quality report was coming out, hoping no-one would notice?
No doubt they'd been asked to comment or had early access.

[Evanivitch]

Byker28i said:

I found it funny how they dropped the environment claim when the air quality report was coming out, hoping no-one would notice?
No doubt they'd been asked to comment or had early access.

Environment (Carbon emissions) and air quality (NOx, PM) are different things entirely...

[Byker28i]

Evanivitch said:

Byker28i said:

I found it funny how they dropped the environment claim when the air quality report was coming out, hoping no-one would notice?
No doubt they'd been asked to comment or had early access.

Environment (Carbon emissions) and air quality (NOx, PM) are different things entirely...

Nice weasly words from our Senedd rep, despite why we have speed limit restrictions on the M4, what they origin\lly claimed as one of the reasons for the 20mph blanket ban.


Outdoor air pollution is recognised by the World Health Organisation as the biggest environmental risk to health.

Vehicle emissions are a major cause of NO2 levels by roads. Regular assessment has identified NO2 levels above the legal limit at several locations on the motorway and trunk road network. We must take action to reduce roadside pollution at these locations.
https://www.gov.wales/50mph-speed-limits-reduce-po...

Website in question was edited at the start of May to remove those words when that report came out

[camel_landy]

Byker28i said:

We said this at the time. instead of 30mph in 3rd, its now the same revs, 20moh in second, but longer to travel that section of road. I'm surprised it's not worse, especially as DPF regen seems to be coming in a lot now.

It was never about air quality, although that was thrown in as a sop to add reasons. It was always about discouraging use of the car and pushing reliance onto public transport, difficult outside the main cities.

Indeed, as back in June '23, Dr Sarah Jones, Consultant in Environmental Public Health for Public Health Wales said:

Sarah said:

Public Health Wales strongly supports 20mph legislation, which will transform the places where people live, work and travel. The evidence is clear that reducing traffic speeds has multiple health and wellbeing benefits. It improves road safety, reduces noise pollution and over time will help to tackle air pollution. The safer environment that slower traffic speeds bring will also enable more people to actively travel, for example walking and cycling to work and school.

Interestingly, it would appear that air pollution INSIDE vehicles increases with the lower speeds, due to vehicles following closer.

M

[Evanivitch]

Byker28i said:

Nice weasly words from our Senedd rep, despite why we have speed limit restrictions on the M4, what they origin\lly claimed as one of the reasons for the 20mph blanket ban.

And as we see more hybrid vehicles, which are more capable of sustaining 20 mph than 30 mph, we'll continue to see improvements.

Unless you're suggesting that year on year there's been a decrease in UK vehicle traffic?