Watch seller renaging on sale of watch
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Drawweight said:
AL5026 said:
This thread, specifically regarding the superclones, makes me glad I sold my watch recently to an online watch company. I’d have undoubtedly made a little more money selling it privately but it was such a seamless transaction it seemed daft not too. Avoided any hassle and what they initially offered, pre inspection, is what they paid.
WBAW? Personally I would never buy a second hand Rolex from anyone other than a genuine retailer, with shop, reputation to protect and assets to come after. Private seller, or online trader on C24? No chance.
If you want a second hand rolex, all these are great sellers with fabulous stock, in addition to the usual WoS, WF etc
http://www.theoldwatchshop.com/rolex.html
https://www.cartermarsh.com/
https://www.miltonsjewellers.com/pawnbroking
https://bulangandsons.eu/collections/watches
If you want a second hand rolex, all these are great sellers with fabulous stock, in addition to the usual WoS, WF etc
http://www.theoldwatchshop.com/rolex.html
https://www.cartermarsh.com/
https://www.miltonsjewellers.com/pawnbroking
https://bulangandsons.eu/collections/watches
Edited by nikaiyo2 on Friday 17th May 12:37
nikaiyo2 said:
Personally I would never buy a second hand Rolex from anyone other than a genuine retailer, with shop, reputation to protect and assets to come after. Private seller, or online trader on C24? No chance.
If you want a second hand rolex, all these are great sellers with fabulous stock, in addition to the usual WoS, WF etc
http://www.theoldwatchshop.com/rolex.html
https://www.cartermarsh.com/
https://www.miltonsjewellers.com/pawnbroking
https://bulangandsons.eu/collections/watches
It depends C24 and Ebay both now offer certification where they examine and guarantee the watches that third parties are selling against faults, fakes and being stolen, so it's a lot better than it was. If you want a second hand rolex, all these are great sellers with fabulous stock, in addition to the usual WoS, WF etc
http://www.theoldwatchshop.com/rolex.html
https://www.cartermarsh.com/
https://www.miltonsjewellers.com/pawnbroking
https://bulangandsons.eu/collections/watches
Edited by nikaiyo2 on Friday 17th May 12:37
Watchthis said:
So, after making a call to C24 they are not willing to give out the sellers details. Not to me and not if a legal representative requests them either apparently. The lady I spoke with also didn't seem surprised by the seller pulling out which makes me think these are common scenarios and not at all unusual.
Looks like Dodgy McSeller has been given free reign to do whatever he/she wants on C24. Doesn't install confidence when I'm potentially spending nearly 5 figures, especially when that sort of money is bloody hard come by. My gut feeling is they were either going to try and send me a "superclone" or a watch that had it's dial changed or some other unscrupulous activity ( so called frankenwatch). The plug was only pulled by the seller once I added the certification process to the sale. Why they would have it as an option if they were being dodgy I don't know, possibly it's a requirement to their listing.
Anyway, it's making me re-evaluate where I'll look from now on.
Well that's p*ssed on your chips, "taking him to court" "send me a superclone"Looks like Dodgy McSeller has been given free reign to do whatever he/she wants on C24. Doesn't install confidence when I'm potentially spending nearly 5 figures, especially when that sort of money is bloody hard come by. My gut feeling is they were either going to try and send me a "superclone" or a watch that had it's dial changed or some other unscrupulous activity ( so called frankenwatch). The plug was only pulled by the seller once I added the certification process to the sale. Why they would have it as an option if they were being dodgy I don't know, possibly it's a requirement to their listing.
Anyway, it's making me re-evaluate where I'll look from now on.
HE got a better offer and definitely a better buyer, and a narrow escape accept it.
Graveworm said:
It depends C24 and Ebay both now offer certification where they examine and guarantee the watches that third parties are selling against faults, fakes and being stolen, so it's a lot better than it was.
Yeah it’s better than it was I agree but certainly for vintage stuff where does their guarantee end? I can’t imagine a service dial being flagged or replacement hands, when replacements can decimate the value of a watch. After all service parts are not fake…Pablo Escobar said:
Watchthis said:
So, after making a call to C24 they are not willing to give out the sellers details. Not to me and not if a legal representative requests them either apparently. The lady I spoke with also didn't seem surprised by the seller pulling out which makes me think these are common scenarios and not at all unusual.
Looks like Dodgy McSeller has been given free reign to do whatever he/she wants on C24. Doesn't install confidence when I'm potentially spending nearly 5 figures, especially when that sort of money is bloody hard come by. My gut feeling is they were either going to try and send me a "superclone" or a watch that had it's dial changed or some other unscrupulous activity ( so called frankenwatch). The plug was only pulled by the seller once I added the certification process to the sale. Why they would have it as an option if they were being dodgy I don't know, possibly it's a requirement to their listing.
Anyway, it's making me re-evaluate where I'll look from now on.
Well that's p*ssed on your chips, "taking him to court" "send me a superclone"Looks like Dodgy McSeller has been given free reign to do whatever he/she wants on C24. Doesn't install confidence when I'm potentially spending nearly 5 figures, especially when that sort of money is bloody hard come by. My gut feeling is they were either going to try and send me a "superclone" or a watch that had it's dial changed or some other unscrupulous activity ( so called frankenwatch). The plug was only pulled by the seller once I added the certification process to the sale. Why they would have it as an option if they were being dodgy I don't know, possibly it's a requirement to their listing.
Anyway, it's making me re-evaluate where I'll look from now on.
HE got a better offer and definitely a better buyer, and a narrow escape accept it.
Watchthis said:
So, after making a call to C24 they are not willing to give out the sellers details. Not to me and not if a legal representative requests them either apparently. The lady I spoke with also didn't seem surprised by the seller pulling out which makes me think these are common scenarios and not at all unusual.
Looks like Dodgy McSeller has been given free reign to do whatever he/she wants on C24. Doesn't install confidence when I'm potentially spending nearly 5 figures, especially when that sort of money is bloody hard come by. My gut feeling is they were either going to try and send me a "superclone" or a watch that had it's dial changed or some other unscrupulous activity ( so called frankenwatch). The plug was only pulled by the seller once I added the certification process to the sale. Why they would have it as an option if they were being dodgy I don't know, possibly it's a requirement to their listing.
Anyway, it's making me re-evaluate where I'll look from now on.
Dry your eyes & move on. Looks like Dodgy McSeller has been given free reign to do whatever he/she wants on C24. Doesn't install confidence when I'm potentially spending nearly 5 figures, especially when that sort of money is bloody hard come by. My gut feeling is they were either going to try and send me a "superclone" or a watch that had it's dial changed or some other unscrupulous activity ( so called frankenwatch). The plug was only pulled by the seller once I added the certification process to the sale. Why they would have it as an option if they were being dodgy I don't know, possibly it's a requirement to their listing.
Anyway, it's making me re-evaluate where I'll look from now on.
Your speculation is not worth your time.
The seller likely simply had a better offer.
Tindersticks said:
On the basis that house sales are often canned because of better offers you have zero chance of a case here. Move on.
Houses, in England, have legislation specifically to allow it. Why would they need that if "Zero chance" otherwise? There are threads here, linked where the opposite to what you contend happened. There is probably a case, in principal, for the OP but, of course, I would also move on. Especially given Chrono 24 won't help voluntarily, so to even try and get a court order to compel them to release the details of the seller, to start the ball rolling would cost more than they would recover.
Edited by Graveworm on Saturday 18th May 08:53
OutInTheShed said:
On ebay FWIW, I can click on 'buy it now' and then walk away. The sale doesn't actually happen until I click on 'confirm' with a means of payment.
...
Conversely, if I bid on something, then once I click on 'confirm bid', that is binding.
This is not enforced though. It definitely says that a winning bid is "legally binding" when you enter it "You are agreeing to buy..."....
Conversely, if I bid on something, then once I click on 'confirm bid', that is binding.
When I sold a laptop the winning buyer told me (after a few days of me chasing payment) that they had changed their mind and did not now want to buy it. I went to eBay customer services and asked them to enforce their legally binding clause. They told me there was nothing they could do. They also said that even if there was a way to force payment, the seller could pay and then pretend the laptop was faulty after delivery, and I would have to refund them (and pay the return postage!) anyway.
GasEngineer said:
OutInTheShed said:
On ebay FWIW, I can click on 'buy it now' and then walk away. The sale doesn't actually happen until I click on 'confirm' with a means of payment.
...
Conversely, if I bid on something, then once I click on 'confirm bid', that is binding.
This is not enforced though. It definitely says that a winning bid is "legally binding" when you enter it "You are agreeing to buy..."....
Conversely, if I bid on something, then once I click on 'confirm bid', that is binding.
When I sold a laptop the winning buyer told me (after a few days of me chasing payment) that they had changed their mind and did not now want to buy it. I went to eBay customer services and asked them to enforce their legally binding clause. They told me there was nothing they could do. They also said that even if there was a way to force payment, the seller could pay and then pretend the laptop was faulty after delivery, and I would have to refund them (and pay the return postage!) anyway.
The main question in many of these cases is to ask what is proportionate in the circumstances? There are lots of things you can do, but if you're doing them personally they become time consuming and that's time you could be doing something else productive. Not many small claims justify the costs of a lawyer so you'll be doing it all yourself, likely for the first time, whilst having to learn both the merits of your case and the procedural rules.
The problem with suing tossers for small amounts on a point of principle is that tossers don't have principles and they won't lose sleep over a small claim.
The problem with suing tossers for small amounts on a point of principle is that tossers don't have principles and they won't lose sleep over a small claim.
GasEngineer said:
OutInTheShed said:
On ebay FWIW, I can click on 'buy it now' and then walk away. The sale doesn't actually happen until I click on 'confirm' with a means of payment.
...
Conversely, if I bid on something, then once I click on 'confirm bid', that is binding.
This is not enforced though. It definitely says that a winning bid is "legally binding" when you enter it "You are agreeing to buy..."....
Conversely, if I bid on something, then once I click on 'confirm bid', that is binding.
When I sold a laptop the winning buyer told me (after a few days of me chasing payment) that they had changed their mind and did not now want to buy it. I went to eBay customer services and asked them to enforce their legally binding clause. They told me there was nothing they could do. They also said that even if there was a way to force payment, the seller could pay and then pretend the laptop was faulty after delivery, and I would have to refund them (and pay the return postage!) anyway.
What is interesting is that the T&Cs of Ebay don't go far enough. There was a case last year where someone had a tape deck up for auction with bids about 1K but with more than 24 hours to go they cancelled the auction, which Ebay's T&Cs allow.
The person who was winning the auction (But obviously hadn't even won it) Successfully sued saying contact law can't be overridden by T&Cs and the seller had to pay them over 10K IIRC.
Edited by Graveworm on Saturday 18th May 09:11
Tindersticks said:
On the basis that house sales are often canned because of better offers you have zero chance of a case here. Move on.
With a house sale, there is a defined point at which the 'deal is done' and that's 'exchange of contracts'.Up to that point it's really just a negottiation, a verbal or even written offer and acceptance is 'subject to contract'.
If you buy and sell yachts, deals are done 'subject to survey', you make an offer, pay for a survey and if the survey finds faults you can re-negotiate.
Different markets have different rules.
As do different countries.
Tindersticks said:
On the basis that house sales are often canned because of better offers you have zero chance of a case here. Move on.
You don't know what you don't know. Go and read the link in my previous post.Note to others, Tindersticks is comparing oranges with apples and getting elephants as a result. House purchasing is an exception general contract law and has all sorts of differences.
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