The **BOXING** thread (Vol 4)

[jules_s]

Unreal said:

It isn't about the best version of either man. It's about the version that fights tomorrow.

It is if the best version of both turn up tomorrow (heres hoping)

[Unreal]

ALTO77 said:

g4ry13 said:

lord trumpton said:

tuscaneer said:

g4ry13 said:

Usyk coming in almost a stone heavier than he did against AJ. Might be a bit less mobile but potentially be packing a bit more power.

Nah man.... He had big heavy jeans on, big heavy chain.... He's playing games .. Johnny nelson was right on it there... Fury lost his st again.... Usyk still seems like a serial killer.....fury chewing on the gum.... I've seen this st before... And yesterday too .... Not saying it's gonna play a massive part in the result but usyk seems completely unfazed, fury looking wired like a nutter on meow meow

Who you hanging your hat on then tusc?

I'm thinking fury by stoppage before r10. Likely bodyshot

At least someone else agrees with me.

I'm not sure where this body shot nonsense comes from, Usyk has never been stopped. I'm assuming people are looking at footage of low blows and deciding that Usyk is weak to the torso. I think Usyk takes control of the fight early and wins on points quite comfortably, but it will be very dependent on the judges scorecards, so I wouldn't rule out a draw, but to suggest Usyk is weak to the body is utter nonsense. you could debate this fight for months, that's one of the reasons it's so interesting, so hopefully the best man on the night wins, and there isn't any controversy.

It's the same nonsense being trotted out about the size difference being the determining factor. As Bellew said the other day, what about Frazier, Holyfield and Tyson, who all beat men much bigger than themselves. It only matters if everything else is equal, which it rarely is. Fury is quick for a HW but not as quick as Usyk. He has good footwork for a HW but he's not as nimble as Usyk. Fury has greater reach but Usyk throws a greater volume of punches. It's a really interesting match up.

[carlo996]

Pugaris said:

Please, enlighten the class on how a Unified World Champion who's won 9 world title fights isn't "World Class"?

Who has Usyk beaten? Nobody at the level of Fury.

[McMoose]

carlo996 said:

Smaller, shorter reach, not been in with anyone world class in the HW division. The best version of Fury beats him Question is if this still exists?

Come off it. He beat Aj twice over 12 rounds

AJ demolished Ngannou in two rounds whereas Fury laboured to a win on points.

[McMoose]

carlo996 said:

Who has Usyk beaten? Nobody at the level of Fury.

He has only been in 5 heavyweight fights. Fury has been in 35 and many of the fighters even recently have been dross.

[EddieSteadyGo]

McMoose said:

carlo996 said:

Smaller, shorter reach, not been in with anyone world class in the HW division. The best version of Fury beats him Question is if this still exists?

Come off it. He beat Aj twice over 12 rounds

AJ demolished Ngannou in two rounds whereas Fury laboured to a win on points.

Indeed.

Carlo... you are saying stuff which is too easy to refute... you can't actually believe it, surely?

[carlo996]

EddieSteadyGo said:

McMoose said:

carlo996 said:

Smaller, shorter reach, not been in with anyone world class in the HW division. The best version of Fury beats him Question is if this still exists?

Come off it. He beat Aj twice over 12 rounds

AJ demolished Ngannou in two rounds whereas Fury laboured to a win on points.

Indeed.

Carlo... you are saying stuff which is too easy to refute... you can't actually believe it, surely?

He beat Dubois who is work in progress, and lets not forget he had in trouble, AJ, a fragile statue of AJ, Chisora (no words needed), Witherwho and Bellew. Fury took out the Klitschko in his back yard, beat Wilder three times, first when he was a fat fker and AJ ducked him since. I can't wait for those who think the smaller man will have it easy on the night. For me, Usyk isn't odds on.

[carlo996]

McMoose said:

Come off it. He beat Aj twice over 12 rounds

AJ demolished Ngannou in two rounds whereas Fury laboured to a win on points.

AJ was in a world of st mentally all those fights. I'd rate him now, but come on, he looked awful.

[fridaypassion]

carlo996 said:

Who has Usyk beaten? Nobody at the level of Fury.

Chisora

[m4tti]

Joshua may not be as ring savvy, but his fitness is miles ahead of fury. Joshua knows how to drop big shots.. but he couldn’t.

Usyk rode out 24 rounds with Joshua and won.

Usyk is almost like the calzaghe of heavy weights. The pitter, patter, the accumulation of shots gets the opponent.

If the judges are honest, Usyk wins..

[OzzyR1]

Unreal said:

It isn't about the best version of either man. It's about the version that fights tomorrow.

Yup, to use an old cliche - it's who turns up on the day.

Forest supporter for my sins; we beat Newcastle 3:1 at St James' this season, then an almost identical team struggled for a FT draw against both Bristol City and Blackpool in the FA Cup a couple of weeks later.

[Pugaris]

carlo996 said:

AJ was in a world of st mentally all those fights. I'd rate him now, but come on, he looked awful.

So AJ was good when he was winning titles, ste when he lost to Usyk and now he's back to being good again? Got it

[OzzyR1]

Back on topic from my post above:

Usyk is likely the better technical boxer of the two, and both fitter & quicker than Fury.

Given the above, should be a no-brainer to back a Usyk win.

I'm not too sure, think Fury is taking this a lot more seriously than previous fights and if he is on top form, his reach and power could be too much for Usyk.

That said, Fury needs to catch him before that happens!!

Hopefully it will be a good watch.

[ThisInJapanese]

No idea who's going to win. Not even sure who I want to win, but I can't wait for this. I think it's going to be a barnstormer, even if it's one for the purists.

Also, the undercard isn't too shabby either.

[glazbagun]

Fury & Paul have killed my enjoyment of boxing but I have to watch this. One of the few times you get the chance to see a clash of weight classes where there's even a question.

Conventionally I'm thinking Fury will just grapple Usyk & wear him down for a few rounds, but if it goes to points then I can't see anyone beating Usyk at this level of motivation. Fury has to use his weight and just bully the smaller man.. but I remember saying exactly the same thing about Bellew. If anything, I think age is Usyk's biggest enemy- being fking huge doesn't get old, but being a fitness God does.

[carlo996]

Pugaris said:

So AJ was good when he was winning titles, ste when he lost to Usyk and now he's back to being good again? Got it

Clearly you don't. Hence the change in attitude and trainer. Right?

[jazzybees]

fridaypassion said:

Not seen much shenanigans in Saudi in terms of judging if this fight was in the Garden anything could happen on that front. Still think they drugged Wilder in #2 and I'm no conspiracy theorist! Plus the 18 count in the first fight.... Hopefully the Saudis let the fights just be the fights and none of the dodgy going on that clearly happen in other places.

Mmmm,
“They drugged Wilder”
“18 second count”
Mmmmm, sorry but I think you do sound like a Conspiracy Theorist.

I also go for Tyson Fury, with the body shot.

[Pugaris]

carlo996 said:

Clearly you don't. Hence the change in attitude and trainer. Right?

Yes, magically went from totally st to a world class boxing God cos he got a new trainer. Nothing to do with the level of opposition...

Let's ignore that AJ looked great in the second Usyk fight, and that he'd won 9 title fights before he fought him

[Pugaris]

Buffer read the weight wrong, Usyk was 222

[biggbn]

Pugaris said:

Buffer read the weight wrong, Usyk was 222

Well, what do I know? I thought he looked a few kg heavier than usual but apparently not!