14 yrs - Death by Careless Cycling
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mac96 said:
That was certainly my experience as a central London cycle commuter. I saved a pedestrian from at least minor injury several times a week, simply by being more alert than them and keeping well away from the kerb.
Closest I ever came to a full accident with a pedestrian was commuting on the cycle superhighway going past Moregate. Guy comes out the tube, crosses the road in a hurry is looking the wrong way as he's about to step into my path. I shouted loudly and it startled him enough that he stopped dead with one foot of the kerb. Was so close. Daveyraveygravey said:
I read somewhere recently that every cyclist that has killed someone has gone to jail. I haven't been able to verify this statement, but I know damn well that every motorist that kills someone has NOT gone to jail.
85 people a day are killed or seriously injured on our roads, most of them by drivers, and most of them avoidable. These people supposdely have passed a test, have insurance and make sure their vehicles are readworthy. Why are they not starting on the real problem?
Hardly.85 people a day are killed or seriously injured on our roads, most of them by drivers, and most of them avoidable. These people supposdely have passed a test, have insurance and make sure their vehicles are readworthy. Why are they not starting on the real problem?
EVERY cyclist who has killed someone has however been identified since something like the 80s (if not longer)... Beyond that we don't have enough records to know.
And IIRC every cyclist convicted has been jailed; unlike drivers...
Scabutz said:
mac96 said:
That was certainly my experience as a central London cycle commuter. I saved a pedestrian from at least minor injury several times a week, simply by being more alert than them and keeping well away from the kerb.
Closest I ever came to a full accident with a pedestrian was commuting on the cycle superhighway going past Moregate. Guy comes out the tube, crosses the road in a hurry is looking the wrong way as he's about to step into my path. I shouted loudly and it startled him enough that he stopped dead with one foot of the kerb. Was so close. Meanwhile on the streets of London
https://x.com/stokeyupdates/status/179108437054084...
Driver fled. It only drivers had registration and licences it would make all driving perfect.
https://x.com/stokeyupdates/status/179108437054084...
Driver fled. It only drivers had registration and licences it would make all driving perfect.
More photos here https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-live-blog-17-...
Tindersticks said:
Meanwhile on the streets of London
https://x.com/stokeyupdates/status/179108437054084...
Driver fled. It only drivers had registration and licences it would make all driving perfect.
Link doesn't seem to work for me, any other sources?https://x.com/stokeyupdates/status/179108437054084...
Driver fled. It only drivers had registration and licences it would make all driving perfect.
Julian Scott said:
Geffg said:
As you can tell it really annoys me the way cyclists think it’s fine to damage a car or smash someone’s mirror which can be £1000 and that’s ok.
Do they? All of them?Especially the ones who remove them with their arse by telepathically making the driver forget to actually move out when overtaking.
Tindersticks said:
Meanwhile on the streets of London
https://x.com/stokeyupdates/status/179108437054084...
Driver fled. It only drivers had registration and licences it would make all driving perfect.
Another one who lacks any critical thinking skills https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GN8wxAOWEAApVqJ?format...https://x.com/stokeyupdates/status/179108437054084...
Driver fled. It only drivers had registration and licences it would make all driving perfect.
frisbee said:
Julian Scott said:
Geffg said:
As you can tell it really annoys me the way cyclists think it’s fine to damage a car or smash someone’s mirror which can be £1000 and that’s ok.
Do they? All of them?Especially the ones who remove them with their arse by telepathically making the driver forget to actually move out when overtaking.
Before the angry respond, I wasn’t speeding and was in a marked cycle lane and hadn’t jumped the red lights. I was also wearing a reflective jacket and a bright yellow helmet.
MBBlat said:
frisbee said:
Julian Scott said:
Geffg said:
As you can tell it really annoys me the way cyclists think it’s fine to damage a car or smash someone’s mirror which can be £1000 and that’s ok.
Do they? All of them?Especially the ones who remove them with their arse by telepathically making the driver forget to actually move out when overtaking.
Before the angry respond, I wasn’t speeding and was in a marked cycle lane and hadn’t jumped the red lights. I was also wearing a reflective jacket and a bright yellow helmet.
Trif said:
Tindersticks said:
Meanwhile on the streets of London
https://x.com/stokeyupdates/status/179108437054084...
Driver fled. It only drivers had registration and licences it would make all driving perfect.
Another one who lacks any critical thinking skills https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GN8wxAOWEAApVqJ?format...https://x.com/stokeyupdates/status/179108437054084...
Driver fled. It only drivers had registration and licences it would make all driving perfect.
king for coins. He probably sat at his desk, reading a 3 page investigation by the Times or the Guardian into sex trafficking, Hillsborough (cough) or some nefarious corporate doings. An investigation that involved the brightest minds in journalism, for several months, which will trigger a judicial inquiry and appear numerous times in Hansard.
Then he looks down at his little 500 word piece about number plates on bicycles, sighs, hits send on his email to his editor and reaches for the bottle of Grouse he keeps on his desk, wondering where it all went wrong and why his wife and kids hate him and why he's ended up a poundshop JJ Norwich
Number plates on Cycles is unworkable and stupid. In spite of that every survey has found that the majority of people are in favour of number plates for cycles. Is there any world in which we, as cyclists, could accept we could do more to improve opinions, rather than continuing to be so combative.
Contrast with horse riders who, on the face of it, cause proportionately more issues, with less obvious benefits yet seem to have far more public support.
Contrast with horse riders who, on the face of it, cause proportionately more issues, with less obvious benefits yet seem to have far more public support.
Maybe we can wear those high viz tabards with blue checked stiles on them with the word POLITE on them. Like many horse riders do. 
I try and be courteous, pulling over for cars and making other such allowances. But I still get shouted at and passed too closely because I’m an evil mamil who up until this week only held up cars but now murders pensioners.
I try and be courteous, pulling over for cars and making other such allowances. But I still get shouted at and passed too closely because I’m an evil mamil who up until this week only held up cars but now murders pensioners.
I think education for cyclists is the way. More time in schools, availability of cyclist training and carrots for doing it for all ages.
Some cyclists put themselves in harms way through ignorance, others by bloody mindedness. Obviously a large proportion are victims of drivers' behaviour. The question is in how many of those instances was the danger obvious if looked for but was either not seen or ignored?
There's no value in 'being in the right' whilst at the same time being under the wheels of a tipper truck.
Some cyclists put themselves in harms way through ignorance, others by bloody mindedness. Obviously a large proportion are victims of drivers' behaviour. The question is in how many of those instances was the danger obvious if looked for but was either not seen or ignored?
There's no value in 'being in the right' whilst at the same time being under the wheels of a tipper truck.
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