Sycamore gap tree felled - Words Fail Me

Sycamore gap tree felled - Words Fail Me

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Silvanus

5,402 posts

25 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Bonefish Blues said:
otolith said:
Desiderata said:
How on earth do you come up with a figure of £622191 as the value of a tree? Not disputing it, just wondering how on earth you get to that precise figure?
They used CAVAT

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/03071...
So did these poor unfortunates unwittingly cut down the UK's most valuable tree, do we think? hehe
Not the most valuable tree by a long shot

otolith

56,542 posts

206 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Bonefish Blues said:
So did these poor unfortunates unwittingly cut down the UK's most valuable tree, do we think? hehe
Apparently not, valuations in excess of £1m are not uncommon.

Donbot

3,989 posts

129 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Do we know why the tree was cut down yet? I guess with them pleading innocent they won't say.

Bonefish Blues

27,138 posts

225 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Only one has entered a plea so far.

So where's the UK's most valuable tree, anyone know?

Jimbo.

3,952 posts

191 months

Wednesday 15th May
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otolith said:
Bonefish Blues said:
So did these poor unfortunates unwittingly cut down the UK's most valuable tree, do we think? hehe
Apparently not, valuations in excess of £1m are not uncommon.
So, money does grow on trees?

Sorry.

HTP99

22,680 posts

142 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Bonefish Blues said:
Only one has entered a plea so far.

So where's the UK's most valuable tree, anyone know?
Wisley RHS has a very rare tree insured for over a £million so I've been told.

CoolC

4,224 posts

216 months

Wednesday 15th May
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HTP99 said:
Bonefish Blues said:
Only one has entered a plea so far.

So where's the UK's most valuable tree, anyone know?
Wisley RHS has a very rare tree insured for over a £million so I've been told.
Robin's Oak must be up there on the list.


TameRacingDriver

18,122 posts

274 months

Wednesday 15th May
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otolith said:
Bonefish Blues said:
So did these poor unfortunates unwittingly cut down the UK's most valuable tree, do we think? hehe
Apparently not, valuations in excess of £1m are not uncommon.
Yeah, just like houses, trees are cheaper up north.

Silvanus

5,402 posts

25 months

Wednesday 15th May
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CoolC said:
HTP99 said:
Bonefish Blues said:
Only one has entered a plea so far.

So where's the UK's most valuable tree, anyone know?
Wisley RHS has a very rare tree insured for over a £million so I've been told.
Robin's Oak must be up there on the list.
Major Oak is certainly valuable in all sorts of ways

Gareth79

7,728 posts

248 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Bonefish Blues said:
Only one has entered a plea so far.

So where's the UK's most valuable tree, anyone know?
The valuation seems to be based on tree diameter, so I imagine a yew would come up high?

Silvanus

5,402 posts

25 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Gareth79 said:
Bonefish Blues said:
Only one has entered a plea so far.

So where's the UK's most valuable tree, anyone know?
The valuation seems to be based on tree diameter, so I imagine a yew would come up high?
There is more to the calculation than that. In a lot of cases its not just the trees size that is used but other factors are used to make a calculation. A medium sized historically important public tree will be valued much higher than a huge ancient beech tree hidden away in an inaccessible forest. Trees like sycamore gap aren't generally valued, unless something happens to them. Its impossible to say for certain what the most valuable tree in the UK is as its most probably not been valued, but the most well known is The Major Oak in Sherwood forest.

AceRockatansky

2,155 posts

29 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Silvanus said:
Gareth79 said:
Bonefish Blues said:
Only one has entered a plea so far.

So where's the UK's most valuable tree, anyone know?
The valuation seems to be based on tree diameter, so I imagine a yew would come up high?
There is more to the calculation than that. In a lot of cases its not just the trees size that is used but other factors are used to make a calculation. A medium sized historically important public tree will be valued much higher than a huge ancient beech tree hidden away in an inaccessible forest. Trees like sycamore gap aren't generally valued, unless something happens to them. Its impossible to say for certain what the most valuable tree in the UK is as its most probably not been valued, but the most well known is The Major Oak in Sherwood forest.
Whew! Thought I was going to end the day without learning something then. Thanks!

Silvanus

5,402 posts

25 months

Wednesday 15th May
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AceRockatansky said:
Silvanus said:
Gareth79 said:
Bonefish Blues said:
Only one has entered a plea so far.

So where's the UK's most valuable tree, anyone know?
The valuation seems to be based on tree diameter, so I imagine a yew would come up high?
There is more to the calculation than that. In a lot of cases its not just the trees size that is used but other factors are used to make a calculation. A medium sized historically important public tree will be valued much higher than a huge ancient beech tree hidden away in an inaccessible forest. Trees like sycamore gap aren't generally valued, unless something happens to them. Its impossible to say for certain what the most valuable tree in the UK is as its most probably not been valued, but the most well known is The Major Oak in Sherwood forest.
Whew! Thought I was going to end the day without learning something then. Thanks!
I should have added that legally felled trees such as forestry trees will be valued at market value, its amenity trees that are felled illegally, or damaged that are given an asset value. Illegal felling can be a complicated business with some tree valuations and fines being very low.

Pit Pony

8,817 posts

123 months

Thursday 16th May
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How much is the timber worth ? I'd like to see a nice shed, built with itm

dvs_dave

8,726 posts

227 months

Thursday 16th May
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HTP99 said:
Wisley RHS has a very rare tree insured for over a £million so I've been told.
What does tree insurance actually cover? It can’t be replacement as a large tree isn’t replaceable. So what does monetary compensation cover other than perhaps disposal after for example a storm felling it, or something?

Ian Geary

4,533 posts

194 months

Thursday 16th May
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dvs_dave said:
What does tree insurance actually cover? It can’t be replacement as a large tree isn’t replaceable. So what does monetary compensation cover other than perhaps disposal after for example a storm felling it, or something?
Maybe it's what the insurance company will charge for getting it repaired at one of their partner garages?

But I see your point - the sycamore gap tree is gone. No amount of money will bring it back, and a new tree costs what a new tree costs irrespective of which tree it's replacing.

Louis Balfour

26,501 posts

224 months

Thursday 16th May
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Ian Geary said:
dvs_dave said:
What does tree insurance actually cover? It can’t be replacement as a large tree isn’t replaceable. So what does monetary compensation cover other than perhaps disposal after for example a storm felling it, or something?
Maybe it's what the insurance company will charge for getting it repaired at one of their partner garages?

But I see your point - the sycamore gap tree is gone. No amount of money will bring it back, and a new tree costs what a new tree costs irrespective of which tree it's replacing.
Now it's been made public how much the Sycamore gap tree was worth, are we going to see an uptick in tree thefts?

Psssst, what do you need Bruv? Got a nice silver birch and some elm.


Silvanus

5,402 posts

25 months

Thursday 16th May
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Ian Geary said:
dvs_dave said:
What does tree insurance actually cover? It can’t be replacement as a large tree isn’t replaceable. So what does monetary compensation cover other than perhaps disposal after for example a storm felling it, or something?
Maybe it's what the insurance company will charge for getting it repaired at one of their partner garages?

But I see your point - the sycamore gap tree is gone. No amount of money will bring it back, and a new tree costs what a new tree costs irrespective of which tree it's replacing.
That's a very simplistic way of giving something a value, if the Mona Lisa was destroyed by vandals would it just be worth the value of a new canvas and some paint?

Gad-Westy

14,671 posts

215 months

Thursday 16th May
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Ian Geary said:
Maybe it's what the insurance company will charge for getting it repaired at one of their partner garages?
With new OEM parts and use of an equivalent hire tree for the duration of the repair.

808 Estate

2,146 posts

93 months

Thursday 16th May
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Would you need GAP insurance?