Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12

[dxg]

Leithen said:

I'm afraid we've some bad news. You no longer qualify for any benefits.

fk.

It's ok, we've arranged for you to have a job at Ferguson Marine.

WooHoo!

Same thing, really.

[Leithen]

dxg said:

Leithen said:

I'm afraid we've some bad news. You no longer qualify for any benefits.

fk.

It's ok, we've arranged for you to have a job at Ferguson Marine.

WooHoo!

Same thing, really.

But I don't know anything about shipbuilding?

That's not going to be an issue.

[Klippie]

It seems our MSP's are getting a bit of a hard time on social media - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2jd31ygxjno

Interesting statistics though...

Just over 8,000 comments in total.

6,621 - were directed towards members of the SNP.

592 were directed at Scottish Tory MSPs.

501 towards the Scottish Greens.

282 for Labour.

114 for the Lib Dems.

If translated into a voting poll the SNP will be decimated at the election.

But of course those giving pelters to the SNP will all be right wing extremists, and the police are now involved, but when we complain nothing is done.

[irc]

Leithen said:

But I don't know anything about shipbuilding?

That's not going to be an issue.

Are Fergusons paying less than elsewhere (apart from the head honcho). A FOI states skilled workers are on £28k. Which I would have thought on the low side given a 38hr week at minimum wage gives £22'600.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/foi-202200301133...

For comparison BAE are advertising on Glassdoor for platers at £36 plus possible shift allowance.

[Klippie]

Leithen said:

But I don't know anything about shipbuilding?

That's not going to be an issue.

The lack of home grown good shipbuilding tradesmen is the big issue, between BAE and Rosyth who have big Navy orders they are employing everyone available, the big problem for us up here is Barrow who are building the remaining Astute and next SSBN's who pay way more for trades than up here, we can't compete with the nuclear budget...a lot of lads are working down there.

With not enough trades to go around the shortfall has to be made up with foreign labour, some of these lad's are good but the quality varies.

What really annoys me is the Scottish government has been whisper quiet regarding our two yards, with these big projects they should be throwing investment at them and championing them for providing proper real paying jobs to Scotland's workers...but no because Westminster placed the orders and they are the enemy...their silence is deafening.

[dxg]

When Hinkley Point C discovered that they couldn't source enough people to pour concrete and bend reinforcement, they took a strategic view and, given the duration of the project, and set up a training academy to create a workforce with the skills they needed. As the project progressed, the skills taught changed.

That's what the SG should have done if it wanted a new industrial base to replace O&G. But, nope.

Instead, new industry will be "green." Whatever that means.

[NRS]

Taffer said:

hidetheelephants said:

I almost feel sorry for the workers, the yard being kept on life support by a zombie govt that we're stuck with until 2026.

Almost, indeed - the old boys will stay on until they get a payoff (understandable), the apprentices and younger ones could easily move to BAE Systems if they are indeed skilled workers, as it's going gangbusters at the moment with Royal Navy orders. The rest (a lot Romanian), will seek work elsewhere in Europe.

At the moment they've got several workers pushing dirt about with brooms on the vessels (it never seems to be picked up), but no one wants to do the sensible thing and pay them off or stand them down on reduced pay.

Anyone with a bit of forward thinking will get out onto a new job before they are the stragglers who emerge into the wider workplace with all the other jobs filled. Unless the pension/payoff will cover time to retirement.

[Klippie]

dxg said:

When Hinkley Point C discovered that they couldn't source enough people to pour concrete and bend reinforcement, they took a strategic view and, given the duration of the project, and set up a training academy to create a workforce with the skills they needed. As the project progressed, the skills taught changed.

That's what the SG should have done if it wanted a new industrial base to replace O&G. But, nope.

Instead, new industry will be "green." Whatever that means.

Green = shut down the economy have everyone paying through the nose for imported everything, then their virtue signaling would be " Look how green we are, Scotland is producing way less carbon gasses than everyone else " meanwhile thousands are dumped on the dole as the promised "Green Jobs " will never materialise as this would be making things which is bad.

All the green equipement...solar panels, wind turbines, fking heat pumps and the like are not made in the UK our so called green revolution does not make one single pound for the UK coffers...the supplying countries must be pishing themselves laughing at us.

[Olivera]

Very generous

[ScotHill]

Klippie said:

It seems our MSP's are getting a bit of a hard time on social media - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2jd31ygxjno

Interesting statistics though...

Just over 8,000 comments in total.

6,621 - were directed towards members of the SNP.

592 were directed at Scottish Tory MSPs.

501 towards the Scottish Greens.

282 for Labour.

114 for the Lib Dems.

If translated into a voting poll the SNP will be decimated at the election.

But of course those giving pelters to the SNP will all be right wing extremists, and the police are now involved, but when we complain nothing is done.

The BBC HYS comments are always an odd subset of the British demographic, they've been generally anti-SNP for a long time with no particular correlation with what's happening in the real world.

[hidetheelephants]

ScotHill said:

Klippie said:

It seems our MSP's are getting a bit of a hard time on social media - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2jd31ygxjno

Interesting statistics though...

Just over 8,000 comments in total.

6,621 - were directed towards members of the SNP.

592 were directed at Scottish Tory MSPs.

501 towards the Scottish Greens.

282 for Labour.

114 for the Lib Dems.

If translated into a voting poll the SNP will be decimated at the election.

But of course those giving pelters to the SNP will all be right wing extremists, and the police are now involved, but when we complain nothing is done.

The BBC HYS comments are always an odd subset of the British demographic, they've been generally anti-SNP for a long time with no particular correlation with what's happening in the real world.

The data in the article is nothing to do with the BBC, it's compiled from abusive communications sent to MSPs.

[ScotHill]

hidetheelephants said:

The data in the article is nothing to do with the BBC, it's compiled from abusive communications sent to MSPs.

Ah right, I didn’t even click the link, just saw social media comments and the BBC and assumed it was about the Have Your Say comments section, which does tend to roast the SNP but from behind the comfort of a hard boiled egg and in a pair of M&S slippers.

[csd19]

Olivera said:

Very generous

How much of the pish he says can he actually believe. That is weapons-grade delusion right there.

[hidetheelephants]

ScotHill said:

Ah right, I didn’t even click the link, just saw social media comments and the BBC and assumed it was about the Have Your Say comments section, which does tend to roast the SNP but from behind the comfort of a hard boiled egg and in a pair of M&S slippers.

Yes, it can be a bit Daily Mail-lite on there.

[irc]

csd19 said:

Olivera said:

Very generous

How much of the pish he says can he actually believe. That is weapons-grade delusion right there.

Electioneering. He already has the freebies vote. He is wanting more of the taxpayer vote.

[irc]

Even the headline is a pish take. Only says he is opposed to them. He is FM. Why not just say there will be no more tax rises? Because that is a hostage to fortune. He can "be opposed" then after the election say "while I an opposed to tax rises the economic situation blah blah blah......

[rider73]

Typical MSM on Scottish politics
... It should read, SNP government raises taxes and yet says it's opposed to them....

[Klippie]

irc said:

Electioneering. He already has the freebies vote. He is wanting more of the taxpayer vote.

There's something about Swinney that to me shouts RED ALERT, he was behind Sturgeon in every single thing that went on he's balls deep in the lot, I was surprised when he wasn't arrested along with the others.

And now here he is back in command or second in command if you believe Sturgeon is pulling the strings.

No matter what he is not to be believed and definitely not to be trusted.

[dxg]

Klippie said:

irc said:

Electioneering. He already has the freebies vote. He is wanting more of the taxpayer vote.

There's something about Swinney that to me shouts RED ALERT, he was behind Sturgeon in every single thing that went on he's balls deep in the lot, I was surprised when he wasn't arrested along with the others.

And now here he is back in command or second in command if you believe Sturgeon is pulling the strings.

No matter what he is not to be believed and definitely not to be trusted.

The Ordinary Elite podcast - introduced earlier on in this thread - does a really good job of summarising just how Swinney was at the root of pretty much every SG policy statement that failed to result in action. Episode 12.

[irc]

rider73 said:

Typical MSM on Scottish politics
... It should read, SNP government raises taxes and yet says it's opposed to them....

In other news the MSM catches up with this forum


He does have a few good one liners though.

The Green Party is now the political wing of the Flat Earth Society.

Edited by irc on Sunday 19th May 12:54