Will VAR Change Football for the Better?

[Bluevanman]

CivicDuties said:

I'd keep goal line tech though, that can be 100%.

Even that's been known to fail,no system is full proof,least of all one that's interpreted by humans ie VAR

[pavarotti1980]

Bluevanman said:

Even that's been known to fail,no system is full proof,least of all one that's interpreted by humans ie VAR

Yeah the goal line technology rate limiting step is a body of humans stood in front of the cameras so they cannot ascertain if over the line or not. However how many times has this happened? Once in 10 years in the Premier League?

[dirty boy]

Ultimately, VAR is implemented by people, which is prone to error...

So, just allow the errors on the pitch as they were and retain the emotion. The statement by Wolves is 100% spot on imo.

As a season ticket holder at Ipswich, the season has definitely evened out on wrong/right decisions. You can accept (with a degree) referee error as they're watching real time. VAR is something I'm not looking forward to.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

VAR should only be used if the referee has any doubt. Like Rugby Union. It should never replace the referee to disallow a goal because neither the linesman or referee spotted a toenail offside.

[48k]

No way will Wolves get 13 other clubs voting to scrap VAR.

[Frimley111R]

48k said:

No way will Wolves get 13 other clubs voting to scrap VAR.

Agreed

[pavarotti1980]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

VAR should only be used if the referee has any doubt. Like Rugby Union. It should never replace the referee to disallow a goal because neither the linesman or referee spotted a toenail offside.

TMO is always working and will alert the ref to something they havent spotted as well.

Maybe they should show the replays in the stadium as well instead of trotting across to a tiny monitor and keeping it all secret. Broadcast the discussions and have more transparency.

[CivicDuties]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

VAR should only be used if the referee has any doubt. Like Rugby Union. It should never replace the referee to disallow a goal because neither the linesman or referee spotted a toenail offside.

TMO? *Screams into the void in Scotland v France Six Nations 2024*

[aeropilot]

TEKNOPUG said:

My biggest issue is that I don't believe that they can pick and choose what is subject to VAR and what is not. If VAR is switched "on", it needs to be on for everything. For example, currently they don't intervene when the wrong decision has been made about the ball going out of play, Why not? There was an incident on Tuesday when the ball clearly came off Gvardiol for a corner but it was given as a goal kick. Why didn't VAR correct that? And why is there a subjective decision about the degree to which a referee got an incident wrong before VAR intervenes?

They are trying to let the onfield officials run the game and only intervene when it's "clear and obvious" - if it's wrong, it's wrong. You can't be a bit wrong like you can't be a bit pregnant. Then they take 5 minutes reviewing an incident that VAR clearly felt was a "clear and obvious" error.... It's the worst of both worlds. Either everything should be subject to VAR or nothing should be.

Edited by TEKNOPUG on Thursday 16th May 11:06

[TEKNOPUG]

48k said:

No way will Wolves get 13 other clubs voting to scrap VAR.

Why do the clubs' want it though? Where's the financial angle?

They can't all think that they benefit from VAR making decisions?

[G-wiz]

pavarotti1980 said:

VAR is good. Implementation of the system with idiots is the problem. Rugby wouldn't get rid of the TMO because they use it properly.

Rugby is stop-start though, it can work there. Football is more fluid, less stops. VAR has ruined it.

[Terminator X]

Bluevanman said:

Terminator X said:

Good riddance to it. Calling offside for an arm etc is insane.

On handball it always used to be hand to ball not ball to hand. Bring that back.

TX.

As you can't score a goal with an arm likewise you can't be offside with an arm.VAR has never done what you've described.
The handball rule is what it is,VAR doesn't decide what the rule is

Pedant of the day award. I'm sure you know what I meant

TX.

[Terminator X]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Terminator X said:

On handball it always used to be hand to ball not ball to hand. Bring that back.

TX.

So a defender rushes out to block a shot, spreads his arms as wide as poss in the hope that the ball will strike his hand or arm. When the shot eventually hits his hand or arm, that's ball to hand, not hand to ball. His arm was already out and the ball was then kicked against it. You seriously don't think that should be a pen. Of course it should. That's why it's not as simple as you suggest.

Lol do you enjoy the current rule where any time it hits an arm it's a pen. Defenders with their arms behind their back coming for a tackle etc.

TX.

[vladcjelli]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

NRG1976 said:

Semi auto offside good.

Goal line tech good.

VAR get rid.

Get rid of it all. The very occasional goal not being given even though it was over the line, or being given when it wasn't, is brilliant stuff. Fans remember it for years, and can blame a defeat on it for ever even though they would have got thrashed anyway. Like Lampard v Germany in the WC.

This.

[pavarotti1980]

G-wiz said:

Rugby is stop-start though, it can work there. Football is more fluid, less stops. VAR has ruined it.

Football is massively start stop. Hence the stats of the ball only being play something like 55-60% of the time (or maybe even less).

[Bluevanman]

Terminator X said:

Pedant of the day award. I'm sure you know what I meant

TX.

How is it pedantic pointing out you don't understand the offside rule

[MB140]

pavarotti1980 said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

VAR should only be used if the referee has any doubt. Like Rugby Union. It should never replace the referee to disallow a goal because neither the linesman or referee spotted a toenail offside.

TMO is always working and will alert the ref to something they havent spotted as well.

Maybe they should show the replays in the stadium as well instead of trotting across to a tiny monitor and keeping it all secret. Broadcast the discussions and have more transparency.

Yep I agree this is 100% the way to go. Rather than having 40k people all stood there waiting. It should all be transparent. Rugby has got it spot on as far as I am concerned.

I wish the respect for the referee was the same in football as it is rugby. I for one have had enough of players clearly swearing at officials and getting very aggressive and in their face.

If a football player spoke to a rugby official like they do football referees, they would be off the pitch every game. It’s atrocious the attitude and behaviour on display.

[TEKNOPUG]

pavarotti1980 said:

G-wiz said:

Rugby is stop-start though, it can work there. Football is more fluid, less stops. VAR has ruined it.

Football is massively start stop. Hence the stats of the ball only being play something like 55-60% of the time (or maybe even less).

They stop the clock in rugby every time there is a scrum, lineout, penalty, conversion, injuries, substitutions, TMO or any required reset in play etc. They play 40mins game time, not 40mins time. So statistically, the ball is always in play. Same with American football where the ball is always in play for the 60min match, because they stop the clock when the ball is "dead", even though the game takes 4 hours to play.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Terminator X said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Terminator X said:

On handball it always used to be hand to ball not ball to hand. Bring that back.

TX.

So a defender rushes out to block a shot, spreads his arms as wide as poss in the hope that the ball will strike his hand or arm. When the shot eventually hits his hand or arm, that's ball to hand, not hand to ball. His arm was already out and the ball was then kicked against it. You seriously don't think that should be a pen. Of course it should. That's why it's not as simple as you suggest.

Lol do you enjoy the current rule where any time it hits an arm it's a pen. Defenders with their arms behind their back coming for a tackle etc.

TX.

That only applies to attacking players when a goal is scored. It cannot hit your hand or arm at all in the build up. The ball hits defenders arms in lots of games and a pen isn't awarded.

Far better that than your solution, with defenders being able to spread their arms as wide as poss because so long as they do that before the ball is struck, it can never be handball.

[48k]

TEKNOPUG said:

48k said:

No way will Wolves get 13 other clubs voting to scrap VAR.

Why do the clubs' want it though? Where's the financial angle?

They can't all think that they benefit from VAR making decisions?

Without VAR, the officials were getting 82% of decisions correct. With VAR, they are getting 96% correct. It's never going to be perfect but it's in everyones interest to try and get the most correct decisions possible.