Which 991.2 GT Car Be a High Value Collectible? GT2 RS?
Discussion
APOLO1 said:
If I had to call the biggest % gainers over list for say next 3-5 years. My $$$ would be on.
991GT2RS
991 R
991GT3 Touring.
I think the winged manual GT3 CS will be the biggest gain in % if the next one is turbo if you go from todays prices as the R is already £350k and the 2RS £400k.991GT2RS
991 R
991GT3 Touring.
Yes I own one, but take that out and not to be bias, it's the pinnacle of what Porsche can do with a Manual NA GT car as it stands and the best value atm so stands to gain the most going by that. plus the likes of Lambo and Ferrari cannot match it, but they have cars which match or are even better than the PDK cars and Porsche next GT2 will be faster and better again.
But it does depend on the next GT3 model of course.
doom and gloom talks the 991.2 GT3 prices down every day on here plus it's not an RS model, but going forward I cannot see how a manual CS GT3 can drop long term, it's stands on it's own as the best Manual GT3 they have ever made does it not ? and maybe as little as 50 cars in the UK to boot.
911R is the real deal as is the 997.2 RS 4.0 those 2 are my safe bets due to how rare they are. But I would keep an eye on the 991.2 Manual GT3 club sport it could well shock in years to come.
Porsche911R said:
I think the winged manual GT3 CS will be the biggest gain in % if the next one is turbo if you go from todays prices as the R is already £350k and the 2RS £400k.
Yes I own one, but take that out and not to be bias, it's the pinnacle of what Porsche can do with a Manual NA GT car as it stands and the best value atm so stands to gain the most going by that. plus the likes of Lambo and Ferrari cannot match it, but they have cars which match or are even better than the PDK cars and Porsche next GT2 will be faster and better again.
But it does depend on the next GT3 model of course.
doom and gloom talks the 991.2 GT3 prices down every day on here plus it's not an RS model, but going forward I cannot see how a manual CS GT3 can drop long term, it's stands on it's own as the best Manual GT3 they have ever made does it not ? and maybe as little as 50 cars in the UK to boot.
911R is the real deal as is the 997.2 RS 4.0 those 2 are my safe bets due to how rare they are. But I would keep an eye on the 991.2 Manual GT3 club sport it could well shock in years to come.
Is the club sport a track only car? I am not familiar with it.Yes I own one, but take that out and not to be bias, it's the pinnacle of what Porsche can do with a Manual NA GT car as it stands and the best value atm so stands to gain the most going by that. plus the likes of Lambo and Ferrari cannot match it, but they have cars which match or are even better than the PDK cars and Porsche next GT2 will be faster and better again.
But it does depend on the next GT3 model of course.
doom and gloom talks the 991.2 GT3 prices down every day on here plus it's not an RS model, but going forward I cannot see how a manual CS GT3 can drop long term, it's stands on it's own as the best Manual GT3 they have ever made does it not ? and maybe as little as 50 cars in the UK to boot.
911R is the real deal as is the 997.2 RS 4.0 those 2 are my safe bets due to how rare they are. But I would keep an eye on the 991.2 Manual GT3 club sport it could well shock in years to come.
APOLO1 said:
If I had to call the biggest % gainers over list for say next 3-5 years. My $$$ would be on.
991GT2RS
991 R
991GT3 Touring.
All the above peaked 6-12 months ago and are now going through a price correction. Safe money if you bought at list as they'll always stay above and if they ever do drop below we'll have bigger things to worry about. The next 3-5 years will be a sensible time to buy, IMO.991GT2RS
991 R
991GT3 Touring.
Phooey said:
All the above peaked 6-12 months ago and are now going through a price correction. Safe money if you bought at list as they'll always stay above and if they ever do drop below we'll have bigger things to worry about. The next 3-5 years will be a sensible time to buy, IMO.
I agree the cars above, as in the 991R, GT3T and 2RS peaked a while back whist they were still in production as far as the UK market is concerned. But the over list, as in the" Market" price will always be on shifting sands whist a car is still in production. I have been driving 911s for almost 40 years. The 3 cars that I mention above are about the best driving 911s I have ever driven. I agree also that there might be a better buying opportunity from todays prices. But my point was that the cream will always rise to the top, Just like the 99740RS did. Give it until around 20/21 when Cap 6d comes in and it all has to go E-HB tech, easy call in my opinion taking into account the low Nos for RHD and just how good the cars are to drive. That they will be at a "Market" price above there previous highs, for low mile cars.
Edited by APOLO1 on Thursday 6th September 12:26
APOLO1 said:
I agree the cars above, as in the 991R, GT3T and 2RS peaked a while back whist they were still in production as far as the UK market is concerned. But the over list, as in the" Market" price will always be on shifting sands whist a car is still in production. I have been driving 911s for almost 40 years. The 3 cars that I mention above are about the best driving 911s I have ever driven. I agree also that there might be a better buying opportunity from todays prices.
But my point was that the cream will always rise to the top, Just like the 99740RS did. Give it until around 20/21 when Cap 6d comes in and it all has to go E-HB tech, easy call in my opinion taking into account the low Nos for RHD and just how good the cars are to drive. That they will be at a "Market" price above there previous highs, for low mile cars.
I am surprised the Speedster isn’t one of the list, considering it will likely be numbered, manual and NA with 3RS engineBut my point was that the cream will always rise to the top, Just like the 99740RS did. Give it until around 20/21 when Cap 6d comes in and it all has to go E-HB tech, easy call in my opinion taking into account the low Nos for RHD and just how good the cars are to drive. That they will be at a "Market" price above there previous highs, for low mile cars.
Edited by APOLO1 on Thursday 6th September 12:26
@burntrubber, I agree with those who say keep your nat asp stuff and sell the 2RS, unless you have easy access to use a track as and when you like.
What’s the highest price we think a 991R has traded at? I remember one seeking for approx eur500k at an auction 2 years ago, which must be approx £440-450k, now RM have sold two delivery mileage examples in the past few weeks at approx £291k hammer (London) and US$379k hammer (Monterey)
JZM one looks a bit ambitious now at £350k at the moment.
What’s the highest price we think a 991R has traded at? I remember one seeking for approx eur500k at an auction 2 years ago, which must be approx £440-450k, now RM have sold two delivery mileage examples in the past few weeks at approx £291k hammer (London) and US$379k hammer (Monterey)
JZM one looks a bit ambitious now at £350k at the moment.
Edited by PS2018 on Thursday 6th September 14:26
BrntRubber said:
I am surprised the Speedster isn’t one of the list, considering it will likely be numbered, manual and NA with 3RS engine
As i mentioned in my rather cryptic/humourous previous post i firmly believe that the Speedster will be the one to get if you apply a modicum of financial nous to the buying decision.Last of the NASP with the manual potentially and restricted build with plaques.
And as a keen anti-flipper i'm not advocating flipping it but a fantastic long term investment..You can have the cake and eat it at the same time..
Edited by Taffy66 on Thursday 6th September 14:35
Taffy66 said:
As i mentioned in my rather cryptic/humourous previous post i firmly believe that the Speedster will be the one to get if you apply a modicum of financial nous to the buying decision.
Last of the NASP with the manual potentially and restricted build with plaques.
And as a keen anti-flipper i'm not advocating flipping it but a fantastic long term investment..You can have the cake and eat it at the same time..
I appreciate the advice Taffy. Thank youLast of the NASP with the manual potentially and restricted build with plaques.
And as a keen anti-flipper i'm not advocating flipping it but a fantastic long term investment..You can have the cake and eat it at the same time..
Edited by Taffy66 on Thursday 6th September 14:35
Phooey said:
APOLO1 said:
If I had to call the biggest % gainers over list for say next 3-5 years. My $$$ would be on.
991GT2RS
991 R
991GT3 Touring.
All the above peaked 6-12 months ago and are now going through a price correction. Safe money if you bought at list as they'll always stay above and if they ever do drop below we'll have bigger things to worry about. The next 3-5 years will be a sensible time to buy, IMO.991GT2RS
991 R
991GT3 Touring.
DeltaOne said:
Phooey's point is the key. This list could well be the best investments of the 991 generation, but if measured from their current prices I wouldn't be so sure. The first two in particular are currently falling as they try to find their new normal level, and if (for example) 2RS are being offered at 375k now (I've been offered this week at that number) then they've come off a long way and, although won't have that much further to go, it'd be like catching falling knives to predict where they'll settle. Obviously for those in at list they'll always remain good news/free motoring....
The 2RS got a little bit ahead of its self from a Market price point when it was first launched. The delay on the WP Option kept the price very high for the few cars that had been delivered at this time. At this time it was "the car", ring time etc. As such demand exceeded the short supply.Now that all UK cars have been delivered and supply has increased the Market price is off its Highs, as expected. I see the floor for the 2RS short term around 350-60k. Like around110-20k over its list. Much in the same way the Gen 2- 3RS Market price is the same amount over its list. But whist there are almost identical amounts of each in play there wont be any more 2RSs, unlike the 3RS which in my opinion will fall further than current market prices. Due to a good amount on the 2nd run next year.
With regard to the 991R, I see these prices now very close to the bottom. The one at Auction was what 330k( well over double its list price) after the buyers premium added? which is about 10% below retail ask right now. Also out of the 74 UK cars, very few actually for sale. Those that I know that have them now have no intention of selling. They have all had plenty of opportunity to get out in the 400ks over the past few years.
In the not to distant future like 2/4 years out in my opinion, todays prices will be looked on as missed buying opportunities. For those that look on above as such. Personally for me I just enjoy driving them.
Edited by APOLO1 on Thursday 6th September 20:30
APOLO1 said:
The 2RS got a little bit ahead of its self from a Market price point when it was first launched. The delay on the WP Option kept the price very high for the few cars that had been delivered at this time.
Now that all UK cars have been delivered and supply has increased the Market price is off its Highs, as expected. I see the floor for the 2RS short term around 350-60k. Like around110-20k over its list. Much in the same way the Gen 2- 3RS Market price is the same amount over its list. But whist there are almost identical amounts of each in play there wont be any more 2RSs, unlike the 3RS which in my opinion will fall further than current market prices. Due to a good amount on the 2nd run next year.
With regard to the 991R, I see these prices now very close to the bottom. The one at Auction was what 330k after the buyers premium added? which is about 10% below retail ask right now. Also out of the 74 UK cars, very few actually for sale. Those that I know that have them now have no intention of selling. They have all had plenty of opportunity to get out in the 400ks over the past few years.
In the not to distant future like 2/4 years out in my opinion, todays prices will be looked on as missed buying opportunities. For those that look on these above as such. Personally for me I just enjoy driving them.
Thank you for the detailed response.Now that all UK cars have been delivered and supply has increased the Market price is off its Highs, as expected. I see the floor for the 2RS short term around 350-60k. Like around110-20k over its list. Much in the same way the Gen 2- 3RS Market price is the same amount over its list. But whist there are almost identical amounts of each in play there wont be any more 2RSs, unlike the 3RS which in my opinion will fall further than current market prices. Due to a good amount on the 2nd run next year.
With regard to the 991R, I see these prices now very close to the bottom. The one at Auction was what 330k after the buyers premium added? which is about 10% below retail ask right now. Also out of the 74 UK cars, very few actually for sale. Those that I know that have them now have no intention of selling. They have all had plenty of opportunity to get out in the 400ks over the past few years.
In the not to distant future like 2/4 years out in my opinion, todays prices will be looked on as missed buying opportunities. For those that look on these above as such. Personally for me I just enjoy driving them.
Edited by APOLO1 on Thursday 6th September 20:19
I must say I am shocked at how much 2RS values have dropped. Same market as a 3RS seems disproportionate, as I would expect the 2RS to be more rare and sought after.
APOLO1 said:
Now that all UK cars have been delivered and supply has increased the Market price is off its Highs, as expected. I see the floor for the 2RS short term around 350-60k. Like around110-20k over its list. Much in the same way the Gen 2- 3RS Market price is the same amount over its list. But whist there are almost identical amounts of each in play there wont be any more 2RSs, unlike the 3RS which in my opinion will fall further than current market prices. Due to a good amount on the 2nd run next year.
This part i agree with as i've heard from a very reliable source that there will be a much larger second batch of GT3 RS.2 coming next March/April.These will be WLTP homologated fitted with the GPF..The bad news is no WLTP .3 RSs will be fitted with the Weissach pack, due to problems with parts suppliers and more importantly the WLTP requirement for a separate homologation for any WP cars..Edited by APOLO1 on Thursday 6th September 20:19
Taffy66 said:
This part i agree with as i've heard from a very reliable source that there will be a much larger second batch of GT3 RS.2 coming next March/April.These will be WLTP homologated fitted with the GPF..The bad news is no WLTP .3 RSs will be fitted with the Weissach pack, due to problems with parts suppliers and more importantly the WLTP requirement for a separate homologation for any WP cars..
Taffy,My dealer told me a few days ago I could have a WP 3RS in April/May. Unless he was just assuming some would be offered with WP. This would be very disappointing as I love carbon. He is normally pretty spot on, but maybe he missed the mark on this one.
If your source is right, that is a real bummer.
Taffy66 said:
This part i agree with as i've heard from a very reliable source that there will be a much larger second batch of GT3 RS.2 coming next March/April.These will be WLTP homologated fitted with the GPF..The bad news is no WLTP .3 RSs will be fitted with the Weissach pack, due to problems with parts suppliers and more importantly the WLTP requirement for a separate homologation for any WP cars..
So to confirm- we’re getting more 3RS next year? But NO WP cars due to WLTP? Seems like that is a good shout and makes senseJim1556 said:
Taffy66 said:
IMHO all contemporary current GT Porsches will see a price correction downwards in the next two years.
A gorgeous 997.2 GT3 RS, 1 owner, 12k miles UK car has just (tonight) sold for £140k at RM Auctions - £30-50k less than others advertised...Taffy66 said:
If i was in your shoes i would try my hardest to get the new Speedster and if you want to maximise returns sell it quick for the largest profit.The unfortunate side effect of this is you could be branded a flipper by the great unwashed..
Er, that's exactly what you'd be! 
Buy it (if you can) and enjoy it, life's too short!
cormeist said:
So to confirm- we’re getting more 3RS next year? But NO WP cars due to WLTP? Seems like that is a good shout and makes sense
Don't shoot the messenger but as i understand the WP has already been taken off some countries Configurator websites.This is mainly due to several component supplier issues namely Ti cage, Mag wheels, CF steering wheel etc.Porsche are really struggling with meeting the new stringent WLTP rules on NASP cars resulting in jumping through more hoops to get the WP passed not being viable.
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