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I test drove a T and share similar views on noise/ride, just sold my Emira and will look at base or ‘s’. Having just sold I can also be very specific on depreciation, looking at auto trader and retail doesn’t tell you what you’ll get, my experience was between motorway type offer and cheapest retail which is what you’d expect. Many dreamers out there with price they’d like to get not what it’s worth. Personally found honesty refreshing.
Having owned both a 992 base and T, yes there is more cabin noise in the T which I thoroughly enjoy, it's not that much that my passengers who have been in both cars have noticed so it can't be that bad. I'm absolutely loving the manual gear box, i do feel involved in the driving experience where i wasn't with the PDK. Just drove the car to Spa and back for last weekends WEC 6 hour and the car didn't put a foot wrong, Not everybody's cup of tea but the T is a keeper!
Stupot123 said:
Indeed it is, he is a motoring journalist, but what it lacks is actual money where your mouth is ownership experience, which to be fair mine is filled with!
Ah, i'd not realised it was based on ownership but took it as a test drive.The main point to take on that basis is that you don't get your money back on options - I'm being offered very similar trade on a lightly optioned £100k car.
I think market was worse in Dec than now.
You might look at a sports series mclaren - they have a more compliant ride, in my experience they need more looking after though.
For me having had RS964 and various tvr's amd more recently a cayman gt4, the ride is still pretty exceptional by compariaon - the only road that's caught it out was the terrible section of the m20 and concrete sevtion of the m25
Youforreal. said:
B1ggest said:
The rattling and Buzzing plastic was the reason my GTS went too, so its not just the T. and I got the same fanboy reaction that you have..
Ah but this is the Porsche section where your not allowed your own opinion or when you are, it’s given to you.bennno said:
Ah, i'd not realised it was based on ownership but took it as a test drive.
The main point to take on that basis is that you don't get your money back on options - I'm being offered very similar trade on a lightly optioned £100k car.
I think market was worse in Dec than now.
You might look at a sports series mclaren - they have a more compliant ride, in my experience they need more looking after though.
For me having had RS964 and various tvr's amd more recently a cayman gt4, the ride is still pretty exceptional by compariaon - the only road that's caught it out was the terrible section of the m20 and concrete sevtion of the m25
I’d disagree with you on the market. Just sold my September 23 car back into Porsche and the depreciation was savage as the OP stated. Nearly £30k for 3.5k miles. The main point to take on that basis is that you don't get your money back on options - I'm being offered very similar trade on a lightly optioned £100k car.
I think market was worse in Dec than now.
You might look at a sports series mclaren - they have a more compliant ride, in my experience they need more looking after though.
For me having had RS964 and various tvr's amd more recently a cayman gt4, the ride is still pretty exceptional by compariaon - the only road that's caught it out was the terrible section of the m20 and concrete sevtion of the m25
Lovely car and I thoroughly enjoyed it and who knows I may chuck one back in the garage for some fun in a couple of years when they’re cheaper but it doesn’t feel quite as solid as the models higher up the range tbvh and the suspension is definitely lower rent and has some proper rebound kick on it.
Certainly not trying to put anyone off the cars as they’re great and good fun to drive but not long term for me.
Shiverman said:
I’d disagree with you on the market. Just sold my September 23 car back into Porsche and the depreciation was savage as the OP stated. Nearly £30k for 3.5k miles.
Lovely car and I thoroughly enjoyed it and who knows I may chuck one back in the garage for some fun in a couple of years when they’re cheaper but it doesn’t feel quite as solid as the models higher up the range tbvh and the suspension is definitely lower rent and has some proper rebound kick on it.
Certainly not trying to put anyone off the cars as they’re great and good fun to drive but not long term for me.
Can you be more specific? I’m being offered 85k against a 101k purchase price in June 23. Similar miles. Lovely car and I thoroughly enjoyed it and who knows I may chuck one back in the garage for some fun in a couple of years when they’re cheaper but it doesn’t feel quite as solid as the models higher up the range tbvh and the suspension is definitely lower rent and has some proper rebound kick on it.
Certainly not trying to put anyone off the cars as they’re great and good fun to drive but not long term for me.
Did you get 70’s or was yours highly optioned? in which case as per my comment earlier - you don’t get much of the options value back come resale time.
bennno said:
Can you be more specific? I’m being offered 85k against a 101k purchase price in June 23. Similar miles.
Did you get 70’s or was yours highly optioned? in which case as per my comment earlier - you don’t get much of the options value back come resale time.
You have mentioned heavily optioned a few times, that takes a T to £130k ish, which would be a £50k drop from there to the high £80k's. Did you get 70’s or was yours highly optioned? in which case as per my comment earlier - you don’t get much of the options value back come resale time.
My car wasn't heavily optioned at all, really just 'essentials' although I know that's a debatable topic, but there was certainly nothing frivolous or indulgent or left field involved.
Remember there was a big price increase with no real gain in spec from the 2023 to 2024 model year.
You will have been on the right side of that, which will be making your figures look slightly better.
I would have thought that yours isn't worth £85k mind, just based on mine being £87k. I wouldn't think you would get a cash purchase with no strings attached from an OPC for that amount.
If you have, and its not your intention to keep, I would grab it and run. .2 is very imminent which will inevitably move everything down a rung in the pecking order.
Stupot123 said:
You have mentioned heavily optioned a few times, that takes a T to £130k ish, which would be a £50k drop from there to the high £80k's.
My car wasn't heavily optioned at all, really just 'essentials' although I know that's a debatable topic, but there was certainly nothing frivolous or indulgent or left field involved.
Remember there was a big price increase with no real gain in spec from the 2023 to 2024 model year.
You will have been on the right side of that, which will be making your figures look slightly better.
I would have thought that yours isn't worth £85k mind, just based on mine being £87k. I wouldn't think you would get a cash purchase with no strings attached from an OPC for that amount.
If you have, and its not your intention to keep, I would grab it and run. .2 is very imminent which will inevitably move everything down a rung in the pecking order.
It might, equally there are quite few manual cars about at the moment, there’s strong rumours the 992.2 will be pdk only and subject to another 10-12% minimum increase…..My car wasn't heavily optioned at all, really just 'essentials' although I know that's a debatable topic, but there was certainly nothing frivolous or indulgent or left field involved.
Remember there was a big price increase with no real gain in spec from the 2023 to 2024 model year.
You will have been on the right side of that, which will be making your figures look slightly better.
I would have thought that yours isn't worth £85k mind, just based on mine being £87k. I wouldn't think you would get a cash purchase with no strings attached from an OPC for that amount.
If you have, and its not your intention to keep, I would grab it and run. .2 is very imminent which will inevitably move everything down a rung in the pecking order.
Mine doesn’t have a mark on it so it’s effectively possible for a dealer to give it a wash and polish in return for a 10-12k profit.
bennno said:
It might, equally there are quite few manual cars about at the moment, there’s strong rumours the 992.2 will be pdk only and subject to another 10-12% minimum increase…..
Mine doesn’t have a mark on it so it’s effectively possible for a dealer to give it a wash and polish in return for a 10-12k profit.
I haven’t heard those rumours about PDK only, I’d be very surprised if there was any substance to it. For various reasons I’m waiting until later in the year to go for a T, but I’ve been surprised at how quickly some dealers have dropped asking prices, I don’t think I’ve ever seen an OPC car drop more than once in a month before. Mine doesn’t have a mark on it so it’s effectively possible for a dealer to give it a wash and polish in return for a 10-12k profit.
Blue62 said:
I haven’t heard those rumours about PDK only, I’d be very surprised if there was any substance to it. For various reasons I’m waiting until later in the year to go for a T, but I’ve been surprised at how quickly some dealers have dropped asking prices, I don’t think I’ve ever seen an OPC car drop more than once in a month before.
Depends how far back you are looking, been an odd few years, but there was a time when a 10k discount on a stock car was possible.I remember buying a 6.2L vxr8 in 2008, choice of colours and gearboxes, list price was £39k, but they were being sold brand new for £21k.
The interest rates are the issue at the moment. As soon as they subside etc……
To put my T story out there.. from the start launch of the 992 T was a gigantic cockup, launch with car with buckets and Paint to Sample and went to order to be told no bucket seat option or PTS or Bose Options or Ceramic Brake options avaialble!! Fast forward November 23, was told PTS slot available Feb 24 with Buckets & Bose. Spec my car with PTS, Buckets Bose and deviated stitching. £128k on the Road. Salesman said they would bid 90k with a 1000 miles on it,,don’t do it.
Absolutely pointless exercise this second version T.. built too many of them and looks like every other 992. Went out and bought a 991 T with Buckets & Bose from OPC at £71k, couldn’t be happier, looks different, rare and cost £60k cheaper than my new spec 992 T, which the salesman said don’t do it.. The marketing of the 991 T works the 992 T was a cockup from start, absolutely wanted one at £98k plus buckets plus PTS plus Bose but weren’t allowed that, but they launched with all of those!! Total Porsche nonsense
Absolutely pointless exercise this second version T.. built too many of them and looks like every other 992. Went out and bought a 991 T with Buckets & Bose from OPC at £71k, couldn’t be happier, looks different, rare and cost £60k cheaper than my new spec 992 T, which the salesman said don’t do it.. The marketing of the 991 T works the 992 T was a cockup from start, absolutely wanted one at £98k plus buckets plus PTS plus Bose but weren’t allowed that, but they launched with all of those!! Total Porsche nonsense
Stupot123 said:
You have mentioned heavily optioned a few times, that takes a T to £130k ish, which would be a £50k drop from there to the high £80k's.
My car wasn't heavily optioned at all, really just 'essentials' although I know that's a debatable topic, but there was certainly nothing frivolous or indulgent or left field involved.
Remember there was a big price increase with no real gain in spec from the 2023 to 2024 model year.
You will have been on the right side of that, which will be making your figures look slightly better.
I would have thought that yours isn't worth £85k mind, just based on mine being £87k. I wouldn't think you would get a cash purchase with no strings attached from an OPC for that amount.
If you have, and its not your intention to keep, I would grab it and run. .2 is very imminent which will inevitably move everything down a rung in the pecking order.
Totally agree here. Mine was reasonably spec’d and had the things that I wanted on the car. My car wasn't heavily optioned at all, really just 'essentials' although I know that's a debatable topic, but there was certainly nothing frivolous or indulgent or left field involved.
Remember there was a big price increase with no real gain in spec from the 2023 to 2024 model year.
You will have been on the right side of that, which will be making your figures look slightly better.
I would have thought that yours isn't worth £85k mind, just based on mine being £87k. I wouldn't think you would get a cash purchase with no strings attached from an OPC for that amount.
If you have, and its not your intention to keep, I would grab it and run. .2 is very imminent which will inevitably move everything down a rung in the pecking order.
I’ve had a LOT of Porsches and would disagree about not getting options back. Cars with options sell at higher prices than low spec cars and the dealers want/need to make £10-15k on the sale depending on customer and prep required.
I always discuss the selling price when I’m negotiating their buying price and we agree a figure that’s reasonable.
Bottom line in the T - there’s a lot of new stock still in the network and that’s being discounted which is hitting used prices.
T has always been a poor performer from new so I shouldn’t have been surprised but 22% depreciation in 7 months does make the eyes water and certainly isn’t better than many other brands premium or otherwise.
bennno said:
It might, equally there are quite few manual cars about at the moment, there’s strong rumours the 992.2 will be pdk only and subject to another 10-12% minimum increase…..
Mine doesn’t have a mark on it so it’s effectively possible for a dealer to give it a wash and polish in return for a 10-12k profit.
.2T will be announced later this year and MANUAL only apparently. Mine doesn’t have a mark on it so it’s effectively possible for a dealer to give it a wash and polish in return for a 10-12k profit.
Mine was the same with no marks or dings and a full ceramic coating.
If you want more for the car and aren’t in a hurry I’d suggest you try RPM, Top555 or JZM and see what they think.
Just remember what the other poster said - .2 is coming and won’t help the .1 prices.
bennno said:
It might, equally there are quite few manual cars about at the moment, there’s strong rumours the 992.2 will be pdk only and subject to another 10-12% minimum increase…..
Mine doesn’t have a mark on it so it’s effectively possible for a dealer to give it a wash and polish in return for a 10-12k profit.
Conscious I don't want to sound argumentative, so please don't read it that way, just discussing.Mine doesn’t have a mark on it so it’s effectively possible for a dealer to give it a wash and polish in return for a 10-12k profit.
To give you £85k and add a margin of £10-12k would mean retailing at £97k, not far off what you paid new.
My 2024 PDK with 1000 miles with nice mid spec just sat for 4 months at £99k. Don't know what they eventually got back for it.
I wouldn't think it realistic a 2023 MY manual with minimal options would sell at anywhere near £97k, and the OPC's know that. I would actually think they would be quite scared of it, that's a niche within a niche within a niche inhabited by the PH few.
None of my business, so don't answer, just thinking out loud. Was the £85k a firm cash outright purchase bid that they were standing the car at, or was it a p/x where potentially they were overallowing from the new car, or maybe even sale or return where they didn't bear the stocking risk?
See why I am saying what you are suggesting would be a tough ask. Snap their arm off and run.
I want to make clear I'm not wanting to talk down 992 T's values.
I just felt it right to report my personal experience, and that they are indeed a bit of a disaster at the moment. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I thought I would just add some real world ownership experience into the thread to give it balance if anyone was reading considering a purchase.
I would predict that this will stabilize longer term and I still think they will be a good purchase for you all if its a keeper, as mine was supposed to be.
Make sure you are going to love it first before you jump, as the emergency exit if you don't like it steps you out off a cliff!
I had though a C4S with non -10mm suspension might be my answer and was considering, but they don't seem to have suffered the same losses, I take it its because they are few and far between. Just shows you the supply and demand equation, they have just pumped out too many T's for the market to absorb.
I just felt it right to report my personal experience, and that they are indeed a bit of a disaster at the moment. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I thought I would just add some real world ownership experience into the thread to give it balance if anyone was reading considering a purchase.
I would predict that this will stabilize longer term and I still think they will be a good purchase for you all if its a keeper, as mine was supposed to be.
Make sure you are going to love it first before you jump, as the emergency exit if you don't like it steps you out off a cliff!
I had though a C4S with non -10mm suspension might be my answer and was considering, but they don't seem to have suffered the same losses, I take it its because they are few and far between. Just shows you the supply and demand equation, they have just pumped out too many T's for the market to absorb.
Shiverman said:
.2T will be announced later this year and MANUAL only apparently.
Mine was the same with no marks or dings and a full ceramic coating.
If you want more for the car and aren’t in a hurry I’d suggest you try RPM, Top555 or JZM and see what they think.
Just remember what the other poster said - .2 is coming and won’t help the .1 prices.
RPM Technik all day long. Speak to Greig.Mine was the same with no marks or dings and a full ceramic coating.
If you want more for the car and aren’t in a hurry I’d suggest you try RPM, Top555 or JZM and see what they think.
Just remember what the other poster said - .2 is coming and won’t help the .1 prices.
Shiverman said:
Totally agree here. Mine was reasonably spec’d and had the things that I wanted on the car.
I’ve had a LOT of Porsches and would disagree about not getting options back. Cars with options sell at higher prices than low spec cars and the dealers want/need to make £10-15k on the sale depending on customer and prep required.
I always discuss the selling price when I’m negotiating their buying price and we agree a figure that’s reasonable.
Bottom line in the T - there’s a lot of new stock still in the network and that’s being discounted which is hitting used prices.
T has always been a poor performer from new so I shouldn’t have been surprised but 22% depreciation in 7 months does make the eyes water and certainly isn’t better than many other brands premium or otherwise.
there’s a lot of new stock still in the network and that’s being discounted which is hitting used prices? I’ve had a LOT of Porsches and would disagree about not getting options back. Cars with options sell at higher prices than low spec cars and the dealers want/need to make £10-15k on the sale depending on customer and prep required.
I always discuss the selling price when I’m negotiating their buying price and we agree a figure that’s reasonable.
Bottom line in the T - there’s a lot of new stock still in the network and that’s being discounted which is hitting used prices.
T has always been a poor performer from new so I shouldn’t have been surprised but 22% depreciation in 7 months does make the eyes water and certainly isn’t better than many other brands premium or otherwise.
I see two new Carrera T's for sale, one at £126K which doesn't appear discounted to me? in comparison there are 13 GTS 911's available.
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