EVs... no one wants them!

[BricktopST205]

Dave200 said:

I love how you've completely ignored the guy who pointed out that 90% of new cars are bought on finance irrespective of fuel type. This is high quality anti-EV stuff.

I could lease an M340i right now, from new, for £900-odd a month. Remember my comparison with the Tesla model 3 long range earlier? Yep, you've guessed it. It's about £900 a month to lease.

Edited by Dave200 on Friday 17th May 16:01

I am not in that 90% so it doesn't interest me. The thread title is "EVs... no one wants them". I look at this from my own circumstances and base everything on that.

[CheesecakeRunner]

Mikebentley said:

Curious why the calculations should be “Not including fuel”?

Because then they can win the internet for today.

[moktabe]

nickfrog said:

Particularly when they are 1.5% heavier as per the Rubicon upthread!

No point crossing that particular Rubicon really.

As ever, ignoring the point that was being made.

Maybe we shouldn't cross that rubicon either as it doesn't fit in what EV owners think?

[Muzzer79]

BricktopST205 said:

Dave200 said:

I love how you've completely ignored the guy who pointed out that 90% of new cars are bought on finance irrespective of fuel type. This is high quality anti-EV stuff.

I could lease an M340i right now, from new, for £900-odd a month. Remember my comparison with the Tesla model 3 long range earlier? Yep, you've guessed it. It's about £900 a month to lease.

Edited by Dave200 on Friday 17th May 16:01

I am not in that 90% so it doesn't interest me.

Well, it is relevant when you're making statements like this

BricktopST205 said:

It is more than convincing people to buy EV's. Look at the bigger picture. No one is buying EV's unless subsidised. All the preachers on here are all on PCP or Salary sacrifice. I will eat my hat if someone has bought an EV brand new private and is man enough to admit it.

BricktopST205 said:

The thread title is "EVs... no one wants them". I look at this from my own circumstances and base everything on that.

You don't think that is ever so microscopically narrow-minded?

[740EVTORQUES]

BricktopST205 said:

Dave200 said:

I love how you've completely ignored the guy who pointed out that 90% of new cars are bought on finance irrespective of fuel type. This is high quality anti-EV stuff.

I could lease an M340i right now, from new, for £900-odd a month. Remember my comparison with the Tesla model 3 long range earlier? Yep, you've guessed it. It's about £900 a month to lease.

Edited by Dave200 on Friday 17th May 16:01

I am not in that 90% so it doesn't interest me.

Well, it is relevant when you're making statements like this

BricktopST205 said:

It is more than convincing people to buy EV's. Look at the bigger picture. No one is buying EV's unless subsidised. All the preachers on here are all on PCP or Salary sacrifice. I will eat my hat if someone has bought an EV brand new private and is man enough to admit it.

Still waiting for your choice of sauce with your hat Bricktop

[BricktopST205]

Mikebentley said:

Curious why the calculations should be “Not including fuel”? The fuel savings can be significant. I do 24k per year in my EV and it costs me about £16 per week in fuel. A petrol or diesel car would be about £100 per week. This is without considering what a great drive my EV is and never the need to visit filthy fuel stations. This is brought home to me once a month when the Defender needs its £120 drink.

Mainly because I couldn't be bothered to work it out because charging costs can vary wildly. I simply put the "Not including fuel" as a detriment for the ICE. Considering that the average motorist does 7k miles a year and £8000 in fuel is around 40-45k miles it would take 6 and half years before you would brake even with the EV on the assumption you could charge for free.

I am sure your 24k miles a year in a car that probably was a tax right-off is saving you considerable money but for the vast majority of punters this isn't the case when they are barely doing a third of that and the value of their EV is dropping like a stone.

[BricktopST205]

740EVTORQUES said:

Still waiting for your choice of sauce with your hat Bricktop

If I did I wouldn't need any because I have enough salt from yourself.

[Dave200]

BricktopST205 said:

Dave200 said:

I love how you've completely ignored the guy who pointed out that 90% of new cars are bought on finance irrespective of fuel type. This is high quality anti-EV stuff.

I could lease an M340i right now, from new, for £900-odd a month. Remember my comparison with the Tesla model 3 long range earlier? Yep, you've guessed it. It's about £900 a month to lease.

Edited by Dave200 on Friday 17th May 16:01

I am not in that 90% so it doesn't interest me. The thread title is "EVs... no one wants them". I look at this from my own circumstances and base everything on that.

Ah, I get it. So this is all about you, and your minority biases. If you'd just made this clear from the start, I'd have ignored you.

[moktabe]

Seeing as the comparison between the Rubicons wasn't the best as the Rubicon 4XE is a hybrid let's have a look at the new Jeep Avenger model.

Petrol 1255kg

Electric 1595kg.

Maybe a little more than a 1.5% difference on a like for like model?

[GT9]

KingGary said:

Which explains why most EVs look like worn bars of soap, shod with bicycle wheels.

So do aircraft.
The beauty in the eye-of-the-beholder thing only applies for as long as those eyes can see.
Aerodynamics will in all probability remain forever important.
I predict future generations will see beauty in letting Mother Nature tell us how cars should look.

[CivicDuties]

GT9 said:

KingGary said:

Which explains why most EVs look like worn bars of soap, shod with bicycle wheels.

So do aircraft.
The beauty in the eye-of-the-beholder thing only applies for as long as those eyes can see.
Aerodynamics will in all probability remain forever important.
I predict future generations will see beauty in letting Mother Nature tell us how cars should look.

My EV looks like a moderately surprised frog. The animal, I mean. Hang on, great idea, I should give it a wrap in Kermit green.

Truth is most EVs look like *cars*, because that's what they are - a lot are entirely indistinguishable from ICE cars because they share the same body as as ICE stablemante. And the only one I can think of with skinny wheels is the BMW i3.

But sure, let's carry on with the asinine "image" objections. Wouldn't mind betting KingGary is straining at the bit to call them "milkfloats"...

[moktabe]

GT9 said:

So do aircraft.
The beauty in the eye-of-the-beholder thing only applies for as long as those eyes can see.
Aerodynamics will in all probability remain forever important.
I predict future generations will see beauty in letting Mother Nature tell us how cars should look.

You make a good point there however, with driving something that has aerodynamics of the average garden shed then I'll leave aerodynamics alone

[GT9]

BricktopST205 said:

It also still doesn't change the fact that the drivetrain is still heavier.

Over 600 miles range from a the equivalent of 2 gallons of diesel.
300 mpg under normal and high speed driving conditions.



The car has a kerb mass of 1.75 tons, it seems the weight thing is a tad overblown.

[Maracus]

GT9 said:

BricktopST205 said:

It also still doesn't change the fact that the drivetrain is still heavier.

Over 600 miles range from a the equivalent of 2 gallons of diesel.
300 mpg under normal and high speed driving conditions.



The car has a kerb mass of 1.75 tons, it seems the weight thing is a tad overblown.

But does it have a tow hitch?

[Tindersticks]

CivicDuties said:

My EV looks like a moderately surprised frog. The animal, I mean. Hang on, great idea, I should give it a wrap in Kermit green.

Truth is most EVs look like *cars*, because that's what they are - a lot are entirely indistinguishable from ICE cars because they share the same body as as ICE stablemante. And the only one I can think of with skinny wheels is the BMW i3.

But sure, let's carry on with the asinine "image" objections. Wouldn't mind betting KingGary is straining at the bit to call them "milkfloats"...

Im sure the same people are all driving around in Ferrari Dinos.

[BricktopST205]

GT9 said:

Over 600 miles range from a the equivalent of 2 gallons of diesel.
300 mpg under normal and high speed driving conditions.



The car has a kerb mass of 1.75 tons, it seems the weight thing is a tad overblown.

I saw this on Harrys Garage and it is absolutely fantastic but is this available to buy on the market now because if it is sign me up straight away?

This is what I expect from a EV to replace my ICE car not these half arsed offerings that we have at the moment.

If this existed today I don't think the thread title "EVs... no one wants them!" would exist.

[Tindersticks]

BricktopST205 said:

I saw this on Harrys Garage and it is absolutely fantastic but is this available to buy on the market now because if it is sign me up straight away?

This is what I expect from a EV to replace my ICE car not these half arsed offerings that we have at the moment.

If this existed today I don't think the thread title "EVs... no one wants them!" would exist.

It’s Chinese isn’t it. Can’t remember the name.

Cars like this are the reason why the Yanks are increasing tariffs. And you can see why.

[Tigger2050]

otolith said:

They're aware of it.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/china-renewable-ene...

Ahh these climate agenda organisations like to obfuscate don't they? They talk about China's renewable energy 'capacity' not generation.

Let's see, the UK's installed wind 'capacity' was 30 gig 18 months ago, must be more now. So I checked the UK wind generation right now, this second, and wind is generating 1.15 gig of electricity!

[DonkeyApple]

BricktopST205 said:

Maracus said:

Nothing as we haven't and aren't selling it.

I'm not selling my house but it has a net value. I know what it has gained or lost in my ownership.

Not until you sell you don't.

[GT9]

BricktopST205 said:

I saw this on Harrys Garage and it is absolutely fantastic but is this available to buy on the market now because if it is sign me up straight away?

This is what I expect from a EV to replace my ICE car not these half arsed offerings that we have at the moment.

If this existed today I don't think the thread title "EVs... no one wants them!" would exist.

No it's not available to buy, 2025 is supposedly when we will see the AMG vision production car.
Expect a fatter Taycan rival, although the manufacturers are edging closer to something like the car I posted.
I appreciate that the transition we are seeing to EV is messy and uncomfortable for some.
I think quite a few of the posts on this thread are lamenting the fact we can't simply arrive at the destination without the journey.