Do I need a compo face?

[EddieSteadyGo]

Heaveho said:

They've piled on for a reason. Wake up and grow up. Live in the world as it is, not how you'd like it to be. Not everything can be pushed aside by blaming someone else.

His suggestions were sensible. Even though the responsibility for the accident rests with the parents, responsible employers would want to look for potential learning which could help prevent another child suffering the same injury.

[theplayingmantis]

Heaveho said:

surveyor said:

I'm not going to pile on the OP. Enough people have done that.

However Morrison's attitude is disappointing. I tend to think this is a RIDDOR event, and additionally an investigation would help them address if they could have done anything differently and whether they have a training issue.

Worth a complaint to HSE maybe.

It may turn out that they could not have done anything differently, but it should be explored.

OP - who are you talking to at Morrisons? Store staff or Corporate Staff? I would certainly try to reach their Health and Safety scheme, but if you go after compo they will just lawyer up.

They've piled on for a reason. Wake up and grow up. Live in the world as it is, not how you'd like it to be. Not everything can be pushed aside by blaming someone else.

Sadly that attitude is prevalent in a large number of folk and explains why all sorts of things are a bit crap now. Fatties who can't control themselves so now all soft drinks taste like crap, the slam door rail issue on those heritage lines, been fine for fck knows how long without incident but because some moron does something stupid and then has the cheek to blame someone else it ruins it a bit for everyone else.

I'm not trying to pile in on the OP but this issue really gets my goat and the whole blame/compo culture is one of the major ills that taints this country.

People should grow up and take some responsibility again.

In the past those who cause these issues would have been evolved out of the race, but there are so many safety blankets in place society gets dumber. We are regressing.

Edited for phone spelling...

My spelling is regressing as well...but then toilet typing on the phone on my smashed screen (By kids when I was inattentive) is a PITA!

Edited by theplayingmantis on Wednesday 1st May 21:21

Edited by theplayingmantis on Wednesday 1st May 21:22

Edited by theplayingmantis on Wednesday 1st May 21:24

[richhead]

theplayingmantis said:

Sadly that attitude is prevalent in a large number of folk and explains why all sorts of things are a but crap now. Fatties who can't co trol themselves so now all soft drinks taste like crap, the slam door rail issue on those heritage lines, been fine for fck knows how long without incident but because some moron does something stupid and then has the cheek to blame someone else it ruins it a bit for everyone else.

I'm not trying to pile in on the OP but this issue really gets my goat and the whole blame/compo culture is one of the major ills that taints his country.

People should grow up and take some responsibility again.

In the past those who cause these issues would have been evolved out of the race, but there are so many safety blankets in place society gets dumber. We are regressing.

agree with everything you said

[theplayingmantis]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Heaveho said:

They've piled on for a reason. Wake up and grow up. Live in the world as it is, not how you'd like it to be. Not everything can be pushed aside by blaming someone else.

His suggestions were sensible. Even though the responsibility for the accident rests with the parents, responsible employers would want to look for potential learning which could help prevent another child suffering the same injury.

All cans in the soup aisle will have to be on ground level in case a child pulls some on top of themselves, all fresh meat locked away in case one gnaws through thr packaging and contracts food poisoning.

Placing a tray of tea on a table really doesn't need h/s investigations and guidance. Unless it was placed precariously in an obviously stupid place like overhanging the edge thus liable to fall. Which is clealry not what happened. Why let common sense rule when we can create pain, pointless paperwork and cost for no reason.

[surveyor]

Heaveho said:

surveyor said:

I'm not going to pile on the OP. Enough people have done that.

However Morrison's attitude is disappointing. I tend to think this is a RIDDOR event, and additionally an investigation would help them address if they could have done anything differently and whether they have a training issue.

Worth a complaint to HSE maybe.

It may turn out that they could not have done anything differently, but it should be explored.

OP - who are you talking to at Morrisons? Store staff or Corporate Staff? I would certainly try to reach their Health and Safety scheme, but if you go after compo they will just lawyer up.

They've piled on for a reason. Wake up and grow up. Live in the world as it is, not how you'd like it to be. Not everything can be pushed aside by blaming someone else.

I agree on the compo. But I completely disagree with Morrisons attitude. A potentially serious accident happened on their premises and did involve their staff. They should report it under RIDDOR and investigate, both legally and morally.

It may well be they could not have done anything differently. Or maybe they could have. Frankly their disinterest, if reported accurately sucks.

[theplayingmantis]

surveyor said:

Heaveho said:

surveyor said:

I'm not going to pile on the OP. Enough people have done that.

However Morrison's attitude is disappointing. I tend to think this is a RIDDOR event, and additionally an investigation would help them address if they could have done anything differently and whether they have a training issue.

Worth a complaint to HSE maybe.

It may turn out that they could not have done anything differently, but it should be explored.

OP - who are you talking to at Morrisons? Store staff or Corporate Staff? I would certainly try to reach their Health and Safety scheme, but if you go after compo they will just lawyer up.

They've piled on for a reason. Wake up and grow up. Live in the world as it is, not how you'd like it to be. Not everything can be pushed aside by blaming someone else.

I agree on the compo. But I completely disagree with Morrisons attitude. A potentially serious accident happened on their premises and did involve their staff. They should report it under RIDDOR and investigate, both legally and morally.

It may well be they could not have done anything differently. Or maybe they could have. Frankly their disinterest, if reported accurately sucks.

An unsupervised child did something bit inexplicable and wouldn't happen 999 out of a thousand if not more. The staff member did nothing wrong. What purpose and to whose benefit if this investigation for? Banning babies from supermarket cafes?

I wonder what industry you work in.

[MightyBadger]

theplayingmantis said:

An unsupervised child did something bit inexplicable and wouldn't happen 999 out of a thousand if not more. The staff member did nothing wrong. What purpose and to whose benefit if this investigation for? Banning babies from supermarket cafes?

Nailed it.

[Heaveho]

All this and not a semblance of acceptance from the OP that he's been remiss in his own behaviour. But, yeah, let's stick the knife in to someone else, much better than the person actually responsible for the child, being man enough to accept the reality. It stinks, and everything everyone else has said about it being a reflection on current thinking with regard to shifting blame is accurate.

[EddieSteadyGo]

theplayingmantis said:

All cans in the soup aisle will have to be on ground level in case a child pulls some on top of themselves, all fresh meat locked away in case one gnaws through thr packaging and contracts food poisoning.

Placing a tray of tea on a table really doesn't need h/s investigations and guidance. Unless it was placed precariously in an o viously stupid place like overhanging hrs edge thus liable to fall. Which is clelary not what happened. Why let common sense rule when we can create pain, pointless paperwork and cost for no reason.

I dislike (hate) the nannying state probably as much, if not more, than you do.

I spend quite a lot of time skiing - when there is a cliff, you usually get two sticks pushed into the snow and crossed to make an X. If you don't pay attention, you can easily get yourself in serious trouble. I use that example with my children, who are now teenagers, so they understand they are responsible for where they ski and how they ski. They know to never rely on a "sign" or a "safety rail" to decide what is safe and what isn't. And personable responsibility means, if they do something foolish, it's on them.

But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a feedback loop so when an accident occurs in an establishment, particularly involving a baby, the company involved doesn't ask themselves if there are any learning points. That shouldn't be about compensation, or shaming, or trying to find someone to blame.

[MightyBadger]

Heaveho said:

All this and not a semblance of acceptance from the OP that he's been remiss in his own behaviour. But, yeah, let's stick the knife in to someone else, much better than the person actually responsible for the child, being man enough to accept the reality. It stinks, and everything everyone else has said about it being a reflection on current thinking with regard to shifting blame is accurate.

Cold hard truth.

[bowder]

surveyor said:

I agree on the compo. But I completely disagree with Morrisons attitude. A potentially serious accident happened on their premises and did involve their staff. They should report it under RIDDOR and investigate, both legally and morally.

It may well be they could not have done anything differently. Or maybe they could have. Frankly their disinterest, if reported accurately sucks.

Perhaps Morrisons did. There are three sides to every story, we have only heard one. I'm a little puzzled by Schrodinger's Solicitor who appears to say there both is and is not a case.

[surveyor]

theplayingmantis said:

surveyor said:

Heaveho said:

surveyor said:

I'm not going to pile on the OP. Enough people have done that.

However Morrison's attitude is disappointing. I tend to think this is a RIDDOR event, and additionally an investigation would help them address if they could have done anything differently and whether they have a training issue.

Worth a complaint to HSE maybe.

It may turn out that they could not have done anything differently, but it should be explored.

OP - who are you talking to at Morrisons? Store staff or Corporate Staff? I would certainly try to reach their Health and Safety scheme, but if you go after compo they will just lawyer up.

They've piled on for a reason. Wake up and grow up. Live in the world as it is, not how you'd like it to be. Not everything can be pushed aside by blaming someone else.

I agree on the compo. But I completely disagree with Morrisons attitude. A potentially serious accident happened on their premises and did involve their staff. They should report it under RIDDOR and investigate, both legally and morally.

It may well be they could not have done anything differently. Or maybe they could have. Frankly their disinterest, if reported accurately sucks.

An unsupervised child did something bit inexplicable and wouldn't happen 999 out of a thousand if not more. The staff member did nothing wrong. What purpose and to whose benefit if this investigation for? Banning babies from supermarket cafes?

I wonder what industry you work in.

I work in an industry where accidents can be fatal. Ignoring a near miss makes no sense. Ignoring the law (RIDDOR) is illegal.

Ultimately a person was injured on the premises after a member of staff served a customer. I would imagine outcomes could be ranging from it's a freak occurrence, right along to why does the Tea need to be so hot, or even let's send a briefing note to staff to highlight this incident so that they think about where they place hot drinks when young children are in the vicinity.

Again I've not suggested compo. But the facts should be investigated and not cast off.

bowder said:

Perhaps Morrisons did. There are three sides to every story, we have only heard one. I'm a little puzzled by Schrodinger's Solicitor who appears to say there both is and is not a case.

If it was investigated I would imagine someone would have at least asked the OP for their version of events. And agree about different sides. That's why you investigate without prejudging.

[richhead]

fact is, you cant wrap kids in bubble rap 24-7 , things happen, all you can hope is that they arent bad. think back to what you did as a kid.
but we do need to stop this compo culture where someone is always at fault, the people paying for it is us, it has to stop, people need to take responsibility for their actions.

[oyster]

surveyor said:

theplayingmantis said:

surveyor said:

Heaveho said:

surveyor said:

I'm not going to pile on the OP. Enough people have done that.

However Morrison's attitude is disappointing. I tend to think this is a RIDDOR event, and additionally an investigation would help them address if they could have done anything differently and whether they have a training issue.

Worth a complaint to HSE maybe.

It may turn out that they could not have done anything differently, but it should be explored.

OP - who are you talking to at Morrisons? Store staff or Corporate Staff? I would certainly try to reach their Health and Safety scheme, but if you go after compo they will just lawyer up.

They've piled on for a reason. Wake up and grow up. Live in the world as it is, not how you'd like it to be. Not everything can be pushed aside by blaming someone else.

I agree on the compo. But I completely disagree with Morrisons attitude. A potentially serious accident happened on their premises and did involve their staff. They should report it under RIDDOR and investigate, both legally and morally.

It may well be they could not have done anything differently. Or maybe they could have. Frankly their disinterest, if reported accurately sucks.

An unsupervised child did something bit inexplicable and wouldn't happen 999 out of a thousand if not more. The staff member did nothing wrong. What purpose and to whose benefit if this investigation for? Banning babies from supermarket cafes?

I wonder what industry you work in.

I work in an industry where accidents can be fatal. Ignoring a near miss makes no sense. Ignoring the law (RIDDOR) is illegal.

Ultimately a person was injured on the premises after a member of staff served a customer. I would imagine outcomes could be ranging from it's a freak occurrence, right along to why does the Tea need to be so hot, or even let's send a briefing note to staff to highlight this incident so that they think about where they place hot drinks when young children are in the vicinity.

Again I've not suggested compo. But the facts should be investigated and not cast off.

bowder said:

Perhaps Morrisons did. There are three sides to every story, we have only heard one. I'm a little puzzled by Schrodinger's Solicitor who appears to say there both is and is not a case.

If it was investigated I would imagine someone would have at least asked the OP for their version of events. And agree about different sides. That's why you investigate without prejudging.

I'm afraid that this thread has been infiltrated by the binarists who can't see middle ground. Because you've suggested Morrisons should have investigated at all, you're seen by them as pro-compensation (even though you've clearly stated that's not what you've suggested.

I think you, and your knowledge of such subjects, is wasted here.

But there are those who seem to think the safety standards of the 1970s were as good as things should have got.
The irony is that should someone scratch their car, then all sorts of heavy-handedness must come down. Quite mental.

[MightyBadger]

surveyor said:

right along to why does the Tea need to be so hot

Would be mildly miffed if tea was served to me warm and not as hot as possible.

Should we serve food warm too on the off-chance somebody puts their **** in an apple pie and burns it.

[VSKeith]

oyster said:

I'm afraid that this thread has been infiltrated by the binarists who can't see middle ground. Because you've suggested Morrisons should have investigated at all, you're seen by them as pro-compensation (even though you've clearly stated that's not what you've suggested.

I think you, and your knowledge of such subjects, is wasted here.

But there are those who seem to think the safety standards of the 1970s were as good as things should have got.
The irony is that should someone scratch their car, then all sorts of heavy-handedness must come down. Quite mental.

This^

Not sure how we expect anything different from PH

[danashby]

Heaveho said:

Or you could ask the people responsible for bringing the child into the world, into Morrisons and then not paying enough attention to the thing they are most responsible for, what they intend to do differently, and whether maybe they should educate themselves? You know, rather than perpetuate the whole " it's someone else's fault scenario " we seem to be accepting wrongly here. Do you honestly think that particular branch haven't at least discussed how to avoid being in this situation again?

Even the title of the thread is a very poor reflection on the OP.

100% this.

Also, we only have OP's side of the story.

[Nibbles_bits]

MightyBadger said:

surveyor said:

right along to why does the Tea need to be so hot

Would be mildly miffed if tea was served to me warm and not as hot as possible.

Should we serve food warm too on the off-chance somebody puts their **** in an apple pie and burns it.

Maybe that is the answer!

16 years ago my then 7 year old son, on a flight, tipped his cup of tea into his lap. Fortunately he didn't have any lasting injuries.

I'm yet to have a hot cup of tea served on any flight since.

[hidetheelephants]

theplayingmantis said:

Sadly that attitude is prevalent in a large number of folk and explains why all sorts of things are a bit crap now. Fatties who can't control themselves so now all soft drinks taste like crap, the slam door rail issue on those heritage lines, been fine for fck knows how long without incident but because some moron does something stupid and then has the cheek to blame someone else it ruins it a bit for everyone else.

Slam doors are dangerous, just because they aren't being used for scheduled passenger services isn't a free pass to put people in danger because the operator wants to make money. The rail regulator doesn't want unmodified slam door coaches on main line rails. Even some heritage lines have made the change.

[fridaypassion]

This is an absolutely terrible thing to have happened to a child and a nightmare for any parent but OP you need to take responsibility here the children are under your control. If the staff had handed a child a hot drink directly that's one thing but if the child had grabbed it that's simply not their fault. I think in this situation going back to when our kids were young we actually probably wouldn't have gone to a cafe or maybe the smaller kids would have been left in a pushchair or at the time of drinks been delivered we would have anticipated them trying to make a grab for stuff and taken the tray directly from the waiter or put an arm in from of the kid to block their hands.

I guess blaming the cafe deflects the guilt from yourself that's kind of how modern society works these days but it's not right. It's one of those things it's deeply upsetting but stop blaming and just accept it and move on. We all make mistakes and nobody is perfect especially when it comes to parenting there's always prrssure to appear to be doing everything right all the time but that's just not how life works. Also consider the poor sod you are actually blaming who's on minimum wage and probably worried about getting fired. Really unfair.