UK asylum seekers expected to be flown to Rwanda
Discussion
Mrr T said:
CivicDuties said:
Mrr T said:
CivicDuties said:
There are some policies like Australia's for offshore processing of asylum applications. The UK's Rwanda policy, however, is not that.
Thank God for that. The Australian process is a disgrace. Far worst than the government Rwanda scheme. Worth researching human rights in Australia. Not a civilised country.
Murdoch who owns 80% plus of the Australian media loves to keep the bad part of the Pacific Solution quiet.
captain_cynic said:
Mrr T said:
CivicDuties said:
Mrr T said:
CivicDuties said:
There are some policies like Australia's for offshore processing of asylum applications. The UK's Rwanda policy, however, is not that.
Thank God for that. The Australian process is a disgrace. Far worst than the government Rwanda scheme. Worth researching human rights in Australia. Not a civilised country.
Murdoch who owns 80% plus of the Australian media loves to keep the bad part of the Pacific Solution quiet.
otolith said:
272BHP said:
All these posters with such a laissez-faire attitude to migrants really need to realise that are directly contributing to the hardening of attitudes and a swing further right than the majority is comfortable with.
We are already seeing the far right sweep across Europe. I was always of the opinion that they could never get a foothold in the UK but now I am not so sure.
Amplification of concerns about immigration by populist right wing governments for their own ends feeds those far right narratives. The Tories made "stopping the boats" an issue for people who have no exposure to it and to whose lives it makes sod all difference.We are already seeing the far right sweep across Europe. I was always of the opinion that they could never get a foothold in the UK but now I am not so sure.
The economist ran an article earlier in the year talking about the perception of the UK being "over educated". However the article pointed out that this isn't the root of the problem the root of problem is that the UK economy hasn't provided the jobs to take advantage of the much more highly educated people we have, the US has higher rates of university education, they learn similar things but their economy finds high paying jobs for these people that use their skills. This is because the US has much higher rates of investment.
Immigrants at the moment aren't a drag on the economy but the issue is that they are perceived to be. Each one is a consumer and producer, they'd be able to do more of the latter if the restrictions on them were eased as well. If the UK sorted out homebuilding, infrastructure and business investment we'd be needing more immigration and it would be less of an issue.
We have plenty of space, the UK is mostly farm land fitting more people it could be achieved by densifying cities, in fact is we densified our largest cities of levels seen on the continent you could fit multiples of the current population in.
philv said:
For all those complaining about the goverment's failings to address the immigration problem, or this part of it, look at the foreign office, civil service, activists, let lawyers, those slashing bus tyres, etc.
But all those things (with the possible exception of the bus tyres thing, which sounds quite niche in its impact on an immigration system that handles about 3 million transactions per year) existed in the late noughties when the asylum system worked pretty well and intake had been reduced to about a quarter of what it is now, nobody had even heard of small boats etc. So you'd probably be better off looking at the things that have changed for the source of the failure, rather than the things that haven't. blueg33 said:
Rwanda plan working well as a deterrent. Record number of people for the crossed yesterday. 
700+ apparently, a record for 2024.Crossings are up 27% on last year.
Sunak will be asking Serco to requisition more hotels as the year progresses and the numbers increase as the weather (the only border protecting the UK) improves.
don'tbesilly said:
blueg33 said:
Rwanda plan working well as a deterrent. Record number of people for the crossed yesterday.
700+ apparently, a record for 2024.Crossings are up 27% on last year.
Sunak will be asking Serco to requisition more hotels as the year progresses and the numbers increase as the weather (the only border protecting the UK) improves.
Real progress by Sunak.
don'tbesilly said:
blueg33 said:
Rwanda plan working well as a deterrent. Record number of people for the crossed yesterday.
700+ apparently, a record for 2024.Crossings are up 27% on last year.
Sunak will be asking Serco to requisition more hotels as the year progresses and the numbers increase as the weather (the only border protecting the UK) improves.
Talksteer said:
We have plenty of space, the UK is mostly farm land fitting more people it could be achieved by densifying cities, in fact is we densified our largest cities of levels seen on the continent you could fit multiples of the current population in.
Isn't farm land required, production of food not necessary?UK cities are already pretty densely occupied, if you consider England a country - and if Scotland and Wales are countries so is England - it is one of the mostly densely occupied countries in Europe
Edited by Oliver Hardy on Friday 3rd May 00:54
So, with the EU target of 1 million migrants distributed per year throughout the EU, it appears that the Irish 'Corporation Postbox' style of business is causing them a real problem. Migrants appear to be distributed on a GDP basis, which means Irelands attitude to big Corporations 'postboxing' in Ireland has hiked their GDP and so their migrant quota will overwhelm the population.
If anyone is following the issues with the Pan-American Highway and the Darrien Gap NGO camps, then it becomes obvious that the migrations are planned and funded by our governments.
If anyone is following the issues with the Pan-American Highway and the Darrien Gap NGO camps, then it becomes obvious that the migrations are planned and funded by our governments.
CivicDuties said:
Why the "they should stop in other countries" argument still? Many more people stop in other countries and claim asylum than try to get to the UK. Despite our current hard right and hostile government, it is still one of the best places in the world to live. The government is going to change soon, the latter fact won't.
All I want is for our government to process applicants properly and remove those who fail a proper process. That's the answer, not performative cruelty.
And there is far greater chance of getting asylum than anywhere else?All I want is for our government to process applicants properly and remove those who fail a proper process. That's the answer, not performative cruelty.
Although not sure why people world choose to go on to Ireland to make their claim for asylum as you are nearly twice as likely to succeed in the UK.
sugerbear said:
don'tbesilly said:
blueg33 said:
Rwanda plan working well as a deterrent. Record number of people for the crossed yesterday.
700+ apparently, a record for 2024.Crossings are up 27% on last year.
Sunak will be asking Serco to requisition more hotels as the year progresses and the numbers increase as the weather (the only border protecting the UK) improves.
Real progress by Sunak.
https://news.sky.com/story/failed-asylum-seeker-vo...
I am volunteering to go to Rwanda.
Oliver Hardy said:
They will apparently pay for his board and lodgings for 5 years, and he got £3,000,
https://news.sky.com/story/failed-asylum-seeker-vo...
I am volunteering to go to Rwanda.
From memory something like £52,000 for every asylum seeker paid to Rwanda. On top of the £500m+ already paid/promised. Plus flights, which for this person was a commercial flight, so maybe £600 or so. No doubt they had an escort (not that type! Fnnnarr), at £1200 return trip plus hotel for the overnight. Forced moves will involve non-commercial flights to the tune of about £50,000 per round trip, so depends how many people they get on to each flight. https://news.sky.com/story/failed-asylum-seeker-vo...
I am volunteering to go to Rwanda.
Seems it will be far more expensive than simply processing them quickly, letting them work and getting them off state support in the UK, but that solution is clearly far too empathetic for this Government. And before the "but economic migrants....", then economic migrants already have no right to be here, and the issue lies with the UK law or the processing of people by the Home Office both of which the UK Government is quite entitled to change.
Oliver Hardy said:
Talksteer said:
otolith said:
272BHP said:
We have plenty of space, the UK is mostly farm land fitting more people it could be achieved by densifying cities, in fact is we densified our largest cities of levels seen on the continent you could fit multiples of the current population in.
Isn't farm land required, production of food not necessary?UK cities are already pretty densely occupied, if you consider England a country - and if Scotland and Wales are countries so is England - it is one of the mostly densely occupied countries in Europe
Edited by Oliver Hardy on Thursday 2nd May 17:04
The post quoted as mine was certainly not mine and I don't really understand how it could have been easily attributed to me by mistake.
Oliver Hardy said:
Talksteer said:
We have plenty of space, the UK is mostly farm land fitting more people it could be achieved by densifying cities, in fact is we densified our largest cities of levels seen on the continent you could fit multiples of the current population in.
Isn't farm land required, production of food not necessary?UK cities are already pretty densely occupied, if you consider England a country - and if Scotland and Wales are countries so is England - it is one of the mostly densely occupied countries in Europe
Edited by Oliver Hardy on Friday 3rd May 00:54
‘Densifying’ cities is a pretty idiotic idea unless you want more grenfells
European comparison. Note those above us.
European countries by percentage of urban population.
Ie the midget countries or those that have a completely inhospitable hinterland. Talksteer is talking out of his steer.
Now we could concrete over the Agri productive land, but then I suspect he would be complaining about the UK not producing enough of its own produce. Brownfield is a different question but how we do that is bloody expensive.
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