Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?
Discussion
Killboy said:
crankedup5 said:
Read it again and think it over. Nuance is everything. Not much between the two main Parties.
I think we have has enough of your "nuance" which usually just turn out to be straight up crankedup5 said:
Resort to low level insults now then when you understand you have made yourself look foolish again.
I'm not the one that relies on nuance to make sense of what I write. I've literally presented the absurdity of your argument which you now say you need "nuance" to understand. Maybe get better at it?crankedup5 said:
Different opinions and outlooks are difficult for you to cope with judging from your responses across this board. That much is obvious from reading your posts responding to a number of posters who contribute to this and other threads. You seem to believe that only you are correct. Tiresome.
Nope. Differing opinions are no problem. Differrent facts are different gravy. I know from reading your streams of consciousness you're aching for the right to rise across the world but as ever, ideology is a handicap & in your case it leads you directly to posting what I would euphemistically term flowering b
ks. And whenever you get called out, you instantly retreat into whining about insults. Tiresome.Trump has never had popular support, deal with it.
If someone actually wanted to shake up British politics they would launch a new centrist party, as that's where elections are won.
But that's hard, as it would require properly costed and realistic policies and suggested solutions to genuinely difficult questions.
I'm suspicious of any new party (regardless of where they position themselves) that doesn't have PR as their primary policy, as all that says to me is that they don't really want to be part of running of the country.
I'd welcome a ditching of FPTP and the likes of Reform getting a handful of MPs. If these parties have good ideas, give them the platform to get them enacted. If they can only offer unicorns and their policies and MPs hold 'nasty' views, then they will be exposed and will lose support.
But that's hard, as it would require properly costed and realistic policies and suggested solutions to genuinely difficult questions.
I'm suspicious of any new party (regardless of where they position themselves) that doesn't have PR as their primary policy, as all that says to me is that they don't really want to be part of running of the country.
I'd welcome a ditching of FPTP and the likes of Reform getting a handful of MPs. If these parties have good ideas, give them the platform to get them enacted. If they can only offer unicorns and their policies and MPs hold 'nasty' views, then they will be exposed and will lose support.
TTwiggy said:
If someone actually wanted to shake up British politics they would launch a new centrist party, as that's where elections are won.
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They could call it Change UK .
I think the issue is that many cannot see how close the policy offerings are from the three main parties and how fundamentally they all embrace the same agenda.
That is not to say all policies are the same of course, as parents of private school pupils will soon likely experience, but there is no fundamental difference on the policies that determine standards of living, immigration, welfare spending, public services and taxation. Accusations of "far-right politics" for making a few half-hearted attempts to curtail illegal migration do not change that fundamental fact.
bad company said:
smn159 said:
bad company said:
smn159 said:
Scrapping those LTNs isn't going to be popular with locals - 60% of residents and businesses are in favour of hem, according to a report that Sunak commissioned that he hoped would demonstrate their unpopularity and then attempted to shelve when it inconveniently concluded otherwise. This is more culture war bullst that isn't supported by the evidence.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/08/lo...
Rest of it is clearly bks designed to appeal to the sort of people who stand as UKIP... sorry Reform candidates
LTN’s are usually popular with those living in them but not those in surrounding areas where the extra traffic ends up.t that isn't supported by the evidence.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/08/lo...
Rest of it is clearly b
ks designed to appeal to the sort of people who stand as UKIP... sorry Reform candidatesIf Reform can't get this right it does reinforce the impression that they've pulled a load of nonsense out of their arses that they think might appeal to those who don't pay too much attention to actual evidence.
Edited by smn159 on Wednesday 1st May 19:28
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13125721/...
The difference is that the actual report does not support the preconceived opinions.
President Merkin said:
crankedup5 said:
Different opinions and outlooks are difficult for you to cope with judging from your responses across this board. That much is obvious from reading your posts responding to a number of posters who contribute to this and other threads. You seem to believe that only you are correct. Tiresome.
Nope. Differing opinions are no problem. Differrent facts are different gravy. I know from reading your streams of consciousness you're aching for the right to rise across the world but as ever, ideology is a handicap & in your case it leads you directly to posting what I would euphemistically term flowering bks. And whenever you get called out, you instantly retreat into whining about insults. Tiresome.Trump has never had popular support, deal with it.
crankedup5 said:
President Merkin said:
crankedup5 said:
Different opinions and outlooks are difficult for you to cope with judging from your responses across this board. That much is obvious from reading your posts responding to a number of posters who contribute to this and other threads. You seem to believe that only you are correct. Tiresome.
Nope. Differing opinions are no problem. Differrent facts are different gravy. I know from reading your streams of consciousness you're aching for the right to rise across the world but as ever, ideology is a handicap & in your case it leads you directly to posting what I would euphemistically term flowering bks. And whenever you get called out, you instantly retreat into whining about insults. Tiresome.Trump has never had popular support, deal with it.
Also trump never had popular support and had to rely on the electoral college (which favours the Republicans) to get elected. See the DATA here : https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/pre...tangerine_sedge said:
crankedup5 said:
President Merkin said:
crankedup5 said:
Different opinions and outlooks are difficult for you to cope with judging from your responses across this board. That much is obvious from reading your posts responding to a number of posters who contribute to this and other threads. You seem to believe that only you are correct. Tiresome.
Nope. Differing opinions are no problem. Differrent facts are different gravy. I know from reading your streams of consciousness you're aching for the right to rise across the world but as ever, ideology is a handicap & in your case it leads you directly to posting what I would euphemistically term flowering bks. And whenever you get called out, you instantly retreat into whining about insults. Tiresome.Trump has never had popular support, deal with it.
Also trump never had popular support and had to rely on the electoral college (which favours the Republicans) to get elected. See the DATA here : https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/pre...President Merkin said:
You can be certain when one of the usual reactionary lot insists it's not a left right issue, it's exacty that in their heads. SInce the pandemic, poverty levels have risen around the world. Ten years ago, Britain would have been at the forefront of efforts to alleviate this, Today, we see wholesale Tory indifference to hardship. The school meals coalition, led by developing nations to grow universal access to free school meals has China, the EU & the US as members but we're nowhere to be seen, another little death by a thousand cuts as the world becomes increasingly indifferent to Brexit Britain,
Right wingers rely on spurious anti government arguments to shore up their look the other way vibe in a cost of living crisis. Starmer is crippled by electoral caution & as far as I can see, the only polly getting it is Khan. The UK's governing class is disconnected from global trends on this in a period where we desperately need to combat obesity, poverty & moreover, our food security in a small island that imports north of 30% of its food & could recast our food systems at a policy level but of course what matters in some minds is where the family ends & the state begins.
Why do I imagine quite a few of those against the free meals were happily drinking free school milk, bought their massively subsidized council house and perhaps even got free university education when younger? Right wingers rely on spurious anti government arguments to shore up their look the other way vibe in a cost of living crisis. Starmer is crippled by electoral caution & as far as I can see, the only polly getting it is Khan. The UK's governing class is disconnected from global trends on this in a period where we desperately need to combat obesity, poverty & moreover, our food security in a small island that imports north of 30% of its food & could recast our food systems at a policy level but of course what matters in some minds is where the family ends & the state begins.
NRS said:
President Merkin said:
You can be certain when one of the usual reactionary lot insists it's not a left right issue, it's exacty that in their heads. SInce the pandemic, poverty levels have risen around the world. Ten years ago, Britain would have been at the forefront of efforts to alleviate this, Today, we see wholesale Tory indifference to hardship. The school meals coalition, led by developing nations to grow universal access to free school meals has China, the EU & the US as members but we're nowhere to be seen, another little death by a thousand cuts as the world becomes increasingly indifferent to Brexit Britain,
Right wingers rely on spurious anti government arguments to shore up their look the other way vibe in a cost of living crisis. Starmer is crippled by electoral caution & as far as I can see, the only polly getting it is Khan. The UK's governing class is disconnected from global trends on this in a period where we desperately need to combat obesity, poverty & moreover, our food security in a small island that imports north of 30% of its food & could recast our food systems at a policy level but of course what matters in some minds is where the family ends & the state begins.
Why do I imagine quite a few of those against the free meals were happily drinking free school milk, bought their massively subsidized council house and perhaps even got free university education when younger? Right wingers rely on spurious anti government arguments to shore up their look the other way vibe in a cost of living crisis. Starmer is crippled by electoral caution & as far as I can see, the only polly getting it is Khan. The UK's governing class is disconnected from global trends on this in a period where we desperately need to combat obesity, poverty & moreover, our food security in a small island that imports north of 30% of its food & could recast our food systems at a policy level but of course what matters in some minds is where the family ends & the state begins.
The problem with making that a much bigger/wider operation is that there is a cost, and knowing the daft way we do things in this country it will be far higher than it should be or needs to be.
Some daft (and likely underqualified) civil servant will give an inflated, minimum volume guaranteed contract to some behemoth like Sodhexo who will then take the piss royally by charging 15 quid a plate for inedible/unidentifiable slop, pizza slices you could tile a floor with and cold chicken nuggets you could use on a snooker table !!
It'll be hospital food only worse because you are not trying to feed 30 or 40 thousand people, there are just over 9 million kids in UK schools.
All these things would be great IF we could deliver them properly and companies didn't take the piss, but they can't and companies will and do.
TTwiggy said:
If someone actually wanted to shake up British politics they would launch a new centrist party, as that's where elections are won.
But that's hard, as it would require properly costed and realistic policies and suggested solutions to genuinely difficult questions.
I'm suspicious of any new party (regardless of where they position themselves) that doesn't have PR as their primary policy, as all that says to me is that they don't really want to be part of running of the country.
I'd welcome a ditching of FPTP and the likes of Reform getting a handful of MPs. If these parties have good ideas, give them the platform to get them enacted. If they can only offer unicorns and their policies and MPs hold 'nasty' views, then they will be exposed and will lose support.
Just wrong. While those in the middle might decide whether a centre left or centre right party wins an election there are nowhere near enough of them for a centre party to win diddly squat. But that's hard, as it would require properly costed and realistic policies and suggested solutions to genuinely difficult questions.
I'm suspicious of any new party (regardless of where they position themselves) that doesn't have PR as their primary policy, as all that says to me is that they don't really want to be part of running of the country.
I'd welcome a ditching of FPTP and the likes of Reform getting a handful of MPs. If these parties have good ideas, give them the platform to get them enacted. If they can only offer unicorns and their policies and MPs hold 'nasty' views, then they will be exposed and will lose support.
The trick is to be as near the centre as you can get without alienating the more left or right wing voters. Something Boris did well and Rishi has utterly failed to do.
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