Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)
Discussion
hidetheelephants said:
anonymoususer said:
If Keir Starmer doesn't take a full 100% of the council seats from the former red wall he will have lost these elections.
It will show that the conservatives are still a major force to be reckoned with
It's all or nothing today.
If he doesnt get the full lot I can see questions being asked about his leadership and possibly a change of leader
I think you're setting too low an expectation; Labour should be taking 150% of council seats and at least 20 regional mayoralties in order to avert SKS's ignominious return to the back benches. We should demand no less.It will show that the conservatives are still a major force to be reckoned with
It's all or nothing today.
If he doesnt get the full lot I can see questions being asked about his leadership and possibly a change of leader
t, nothing will happen...but at least some material for HAGNFY.anonymoususer said:
hidetheelephants said:
anonymoususer said:
If Keir Starmer doesn't take a full 100% of the council seats from the former red wall he will have lost these elections.
It will show that the conservatives are still a major force to be reckoned with
It's all or nothing today.
If he doesnt get the full lot I can see questions being asked about his leadership and possibly a change of leader
I think you're setting too low an expectation; Labour should be taking 150% of council seats and at least 20 regional mayoralties in order to avert SKS's ignominious return to the back benches. We should demand no less.It will show that the conservatives are still a major force to be reckoned with
It's all or nothing today.
If he doesnt get the full lot I can see questions being asked about his leadership and possibly a change of leader
SKS sounded like a complete idiot on a few radio clips - he was busy jeering at conservative Rwanda policy by saying in his nasally manner that 700 more (boat people) arrive yesterday! Over 2000 this week! Etc
He forgot to give even one comment on how he would stop that problem. 700 people a day must only be a tory problem.
We all know his solution would be to make them legal. Then err.. problem solved no illegal immigrants
He forgot to give even one comment on how he would stop that problem. 700 people a day must only be a tory problem.
We all know his solution would be to make them legal. Then err.. problem solved no illegal immigrants
anonymoususer said:
MY sources tell me that Sir Keir will be safe for a while but may still face a leadership election unless he starts to promise lots of free stuff.
I'm pretty sure the CoOp Live Arena being late opening is his fault, that's a lot of disappointed potential 1st time voters.
I have posted this in the Rishi thread because we have an interest in the area and have been rather bemused by some of the coverage and reporting on this one.
Some reports would have you believe it was a stoically conservative seat with history going back yonks. It really wasnt
It had been Labour Since Blairs landslide iwith the same MP - Gordon Marsden through to 2019 thats 22 years years.
Gordon Marsden was frequently viewed by many as being a bit useless and was parodied for being the MP for a seaside resort as in Brighton (where he lived). We actually found him quite decent and it was interesting how his own views differed in some ways from the Labour councils on certain things. He made himself available to people and was not afraid to get involved in stuff on constituents problems.
Had he not lost in 2019 it would have been interesting to see how he got on with the council over a particular issue which he was not in agreement with them over.
The tory who got it in Boris's landslide had been involved in a cash for question type scandal. He had also been rather disingenuous when dealing with "awkward" constituents. I'm being delicate here but he was getting a reputation for crying victim when people he was supposedly assisting were not getting much help.
He was neither sincere nor honest. As my brother said - there is a whiff about him and we had always thought it would go back to Labour at the earliest opportunity.
The new MP Chris Webb does have the fact he is local going in his favour but he is also a career type politician and was at one point Clive "Grunter" Grunshaws deputy Police commisioner with a job created for him by Clive.
Grunshaw is trying to reclaim the Police commissioners job and I havent checked this morning at time of posting to see if he has won it back. In my opionion Grunshaw was bad and he used the job to promote himself.
But whilst Grunshaw was grim the Tory who got it in I think 2019 Andrew Snowden is worse. You would think he was actually out there leading raids on drug dealers, armed criminals and the like. He pops up like an incessant jack in the box on various social media with his endless self promotion. He is a horrid little man
Chris Webb contested the 2019 election but as a Blackpool North contestant.
Labour have thrown everything they can into getting Blackpool South back and a couple of their activists seemed rather surprised when we declined to have their promotional boards up at a couple of our properties. One in particular would have caused real issues as the property concerned is in a very good advertising spot but its in the Blackpool North area. Chris Webb was standing in Blackpool South not in Blackpool North.
There is an upcoming boundary change which means that the Blackpool North constituency will move further north and many places that are historically regarded as being in the North of Blackpool such as Layton will now (for electoral purposes) move into the Blackpool, South area it's really rather odd.
The amount of activity and people going in and out of the Labour offices on Talbot Road is really something.
Some of us who have interests in the town find it deeply ironic that the Labour led council have spent so much in some areas yet badly neglected others.
A friend of ours has been hampered by the councils decisions on certain things this has unfortunately led to a situation where there is now a game of first to blink regarding an eyesore in the town.
Hopefully Chris Webb may be a good MP but with a council who seem to do whatever they want on a whim, who get rid of their councillors who dare to question the party line I am not too sure he will be. His connections to "Uncle Ivan" do not bode well.
Some reports would have you believe it was a stoically conservative seat with history going back yonks. It really wasnt
It had been Labour Since Blairs landslide iwith the same MP - Gordon Marsden through to 2019 thats 22 years years.
Gordon Marsden was frequently viewed by many as being a bit useless and was parodied for being the MP for a seaside resort as in Brighton (where he lived). We actually found him quite decent and it was interesting how his own views differed in some ways from the Labour councils on certain things. He made himself available to people and was not afraid to get involved in stuff on constituents problems.
Had he not lost in 2019 it would have been interesting to see how he got on with the council over a particular issue which he was not in agreement with them over.
The tory who got it in Boris's landslide had been involved in a cash for question type scandal. He had also been rather disingenuous when dealing with "awkward" constituents. I'm being delicate here but he was getting a reputation for crying victim when people he was supposedly assisting were not getting much help.
He was neither sincere nor honest. As my brother said - there is a whiff about him and we had always thought it would go back to Labour at the earliest opportunity.
The new MP Chris Webb does have the fact he is local going in his favour but he is also a career type politician and was at one point Clive "Grunter" Grunshaws deputy Police commisioner with a job created for him by Clive.
Grunshaw is trying to reclaim the Police commissioners job and I havent checked this morning at time of posting to see if he has won it back. In my opionion Grunshaw was bad and he used the job to promote himself.
But whilst Grunshaw was grim the Tory who got it in I think 2019 Andrew Snowden is worse. You would think he was actually out there leading raids on drug dealers, armed criminals and the like. He pops up like an incessant jack in the box on various social media with his endless self promotion. He is a horrid little man
Chris Webb contested the 2019 election but as a Blackpool North contestant.
Labour have thrown everything they can into getting Blackpool South back and a couple of their activists seemed rather surprised when we declined to have their promotional boards up at a couple of our properties. One in particular would have caused real issues as the property concerned is in a very good advertising spot but its in the Blackpool North area. Chris Webb was standing in Blackpool South not in Blackpool North.
There is an upcoming boundary change which means that the Blackpool North constituency will move further north and many places that are historically regarded as being in the North of Blackpool such as Layton will now (for electoral purposes) move into the Blackpool, South area it's really rather odd.
The amount of activity and people going in and out of the Labour offices on Talbot Road is really something.
Some of us who have interests in the town find it deeply ironic that the Labour led council have spent so much in some areas yet badly neglected others.
A friend of ours has been hampered by the councils decisions on certain things this has unfortunately led to a situation where there is now a game of first to blink regarding an eyesore in the town.
Hopefully Chris Webb may be a good MP but with a council who seem to do whatever they want on a whim, who get rid of their councillors who dare to question the party line I am not too sure he will be. His connections to "Uncle Ivan" do not bode well.
So I suppose the answer to this thread title is...yes, yes he can.
Just goes to show how utterly the Conservatives have failed. People (myself included) can no longer stomach the thought of voting for them, giving the loony Leftists a free ride. It's not a bad thing I guess...many people of voting age will soon experience what life in their Socialist utopia is like in real life...!
Just goes to show how utterly the Conservatives have failed. People (myself included) can no longer stomach the thought of voting for them, giving the loony Leftists a free ride. It's not a bad thing I guess...many people of voting age will soon experience what life in their Socialist utopia is like in real life...!
Timothy Bucktu said:
So I suppose the answer to this thread title is...yes, yes he can.
Just goes to show how utterly the Conservatives have failed. People (myself included) can no longer stomach the thought of voting for them, giving the loony Leftists a free ride. It's not a bad thing I guess...many people of voting age will soon experience what life in their Socialist utopia is like in real life...!
Somewhat of a exaggeration. The UK is never going to be the new USSR.Just goes to show how utterly the Conservatives have failed. People (myself included) can no longer stomach the thought of voting for them, giving the loony Leftists a free ride. It's not a bad thing I guess...many people of voting age will soon experience what life in their Socialist utopia is like in real life...!
Timothy Bucktu said:
So I suppose the answer to this thread title is...yes, yes he can.
Just goes to show how utterly the Conservatives have failed. People (myself included) can no longer stomach the thought of voting for them, giving the loony Leftists a free ride. It's not a bad thing I guess...many people of voting age will soon experience what life in their Socialist utopia is like in real life...!
Calm down dear.Just goes to show how utterly the Conservatives have failed. People (myself included) can no longer stomach the thought of voting for them, giving the loony Leftists a free ride. It's not a bad thing I guess...many people of voting age will soon experience what life in their Socialist utopia is like in real life...!
Timothy Bucktu said:
So I suppose the answer to this thread title is...yes, yes he can.
Just goes to show how utterly the Conservatives have failed. People (myself included) can no longer stomach the thought of voting for them, giving the loony Leftists a free ride. It's not a bad thing I guess...many people of voting age will soon experience what life in their Socialist utopia is like in real life...!
God you sound ancient! Just goes to show how utterly the Conservatives have failed. People (myself included) can no longer stomach the thought of voting for them, giving the loony Leftists a free ride. It's not a bad thing I guess...many people of voting age will soon experience what life in their Socialist utopia is like in real life...!
BigMon said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
So I suppose the answer to this thread title is...yes, yes he can.
Just goes to show how utterly the Conservatives have failed. People (myself included) can no longer stomach the thought of voting for them, giving the loony Leftists a free ride. It's not a bad thing I guess...many people of voting age will soon experience what life in their Socialist utopia is like in real life...!
Calm down dear.Just goes to show how utterly the Conservatives have failed. People (myself included) can no longer stomach the thought of voting for them, giving the loony Leftists a free ride. It's not a bad thing I guess...many people of voting age will soon experience what life in their Socialist utopia is like in real life...!
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