Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)
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Blackpool council anon are a complete waste of time unfortunately. Even more unfortunately they have been my entire life. Their inability to ever manage to do a single thing to
Improve the place never fails to depress me.
As to the combination of the previous MP and the council and their combined uselessness on fracking lead me to despair and rage. My town is doomed for more downward cycles
Improve the place never fails to depress me.
As to the combination of the previous MP and the council and their combined uselessness on fracking lead me to despair and rage. My town is doomed for more downward cycles
anonymoususer said:
I have posted this in the Rishi thread because we have an interest in the area and have been rather bemused by some of the coverage and reporting on this one.
Some reports would have you believe it was a stoically conservative seat with history going back yonks. It really wasnt
It had been Labour Since Blairs landslide iwith the same MP - Gordon Marsden through to 2019 thats 22 years years.
Gordon Marsden was frequently viewed by many as being a bit useless and was parodied for being the MP for a seaside resort as in Brighton (where he lived). We actually found him quite decent and it was interesting how his own views differed in some ways from the Labour councils on certain things. He made himself available to people and was not afraid to get involved in stuff on constituents problems.
Had he not lost in 2019 it would have been interesting to see how he got on with the council over a particular issue which he was not in agreement with them over.
The tory who got it in Boris's landslide had been involved in a cash for question type scandal. He had also been rather disingenuous when dealing with "awkward" constituents. I'm being delicate here but he was getting a reputation for crying victim when people he was supposedly assisting were not getting much help.
He was neither sincere nor honest. As my brother said - there is a whiff about him and we had always thought it would go back to Labour at the earliest opportunity.
The new MP Chris Webb does have the fact he is local going in his favour but he is also a career type politician and was at one point Clive "Grunter" Grunshaws deputy Police commisioner with a job created for him by Clive.
Grunshaw is trying to reclaim the Police commissioners job and I havent checked this morning at time of posting to see if he has won it back. In my opionion Grunshaw was bad and he used the job to promote himself.
But whilst Grunshaw was grim the Tory who got it in I think 2019 Andrew Snowden is worse. You would think he was actually out there leading raids on drug dealers, armed criminals and the like. He pops up like an incessant jack in the box on various social media with his endless self promotion. He is a horrid little man
Chris Webb contested the 2019 election but as a Blackpool North contestant.
Labour have thrown everything they can into getting Blackpool South back and a couple of their activists seemed rather surprised when we declined to have their promotional boards up at a couple of our properties. One in particular would have caused real issues as the property concerned is in a very good advertising spot but its in the Blackpool North area. Chris Webb was standing in Blackpool South not in Blackpool North.
There is an upcoming boundary change which means that the Blackpool North constituency will move further north and many places that are historically regarded as being in the North of Blackpool such as Layton will now (for electoral purposes) move into the Blackpool, South area it's really rather odd.
The amount of activity and people going in and out of the Labour offices on Talbot Road is really something.
Some of us who have interests in the town find it deeply ironic that the Labour led council have spent so much in some areas yet badly neglected others.
A friend of ours has been hampered by the councils decisions on certain things this has unfortunately led to a situation where there is now a game of first to blink regarding an eyesore in the town.
Hopefully Chris Webb may be a good MP but with a council who seem to do whatever they want on a whim, who get rid of their councillors who dare to question the party line I am not too sure he will be. His connections to "Uncle Ivan" do not bode well.
I live just up the road from you and concur with your views on the PCC candidates. It was scandalous that old ' double dipper ' Grunshaw was able to appoint a crony as his deputy , without anyone else being able to apply for the job. Given the current level of anti -Tory feeling around, the election result will no doubt see Grunshaw with his nose back in the trough again. Some reports would have you believe it was a stoically conservative seat with history going back yonks. It really wasnt
It had been Labour Since Blairs landslide iwith the same MP - Gordon Marsden through to 2019 thats 22 years years.
Gordon Marsden was frequently viewed by many as being a bit useless and was parodied for being the MP for a seaside resort as in Brighton (where he lived). We actually found him quite decent and it was interesting how his own views differed in some ways from the Labour councils on certain things. He made himself available to people and was not afraid to get involved in stuff on constituents problems.
Had he not lost in 2019 it would have been interesting to see how he got on with the council over a particular issue which he was not in agreement with them over.
The tory who got it in Boris's landslide had been involved in a cash for question type scandal. He had also been rather disingenuous when dealing with "awkward" constituents. I'm being delicate here but he was getting a reputation for crying victim when people he was supposedly assisting were not getting much help.
He was neither sincere nor honest. As my brother said - there is a whiff about him and we had always thought it would go back to Labour at the earliest opportunity.
The new MP Chris Webb does have the fact he is local going in his favour but he is also a career type politician and was at one point Clive "Grunter" Grunshaws deputy Police commisioner with a job created for him by Clive.
Grunshaw is trying to reclaim the Police commissioners job and I havent checked this morning at time of posting to see if he has won it back. In my opionion Grunshaw was bad and he used the job to promote himself.
But whilst Grunshaw was grim the Tory who got it in I think 2019 Andrew Snowden is worse. You would think he was actually out there leading raids on drug dealers, armed criminals and the like. He pops up like an incessant jack in the box on various social media with his endless self promotion. He is a horrid little man
Chris Webb contested the 2019 election but as a Blackpool North contestant.
Labour have thrown everything they can into getting Blackpool South back and a couple of their activists seemed rather surprised when we declined to have their promotional boards up at a couple of our properties. One in particular would have caused real issues as the property concerned is in a very good advertising spot but its in the Blackpool North area. Chris Webb was standing in Blackpool South not in Blackpool North.
There is an upcoming boundary change which means that the Blackpool North constituency will move further north and many places that are historically regarded as being in the North of Blackpool such as Layton will now (for electoral purposes) move into the Blackpool, South area it's really rather odd.
The amount of activity and people going in and out of the Labour offices on Talbot Road is really something.
Some of us who have interests in the town find it deeply ironic that the Labour led council have spent so much in some areas yet badly neglected others.
A friend of ours has been hampered by the councils decisions on certain things this has unfortunately led to a situation where there is now a game of first to blink regarding an eyesore in the town.
Hopefully Chris Webb may be a good MP but with a council who seem to do whatever they want on a whim, who get rid of their councillors who dare to question the party line I am not too sure he will be. His connections to "Uncle Ivan" do not bode well.
Of course they might.
But I think we're past the "what if?" tipping point and people just want this lot gone.
Look at the overnight results.
Total wipeout barring the odd bit of hope to cling onto.
And what are this lot doing about it? They have the party Chairman doing the media round telling presenters the public want to see Rwanda happen.
But I think we're past the "what if?" tipping point and people just want this lot gone.
Look at the overnight results.
Total wipeout barring the odd bit of hope to cling onto.
And what are this lot doing about it? They have the party Chairman doing the media round telling presenters the public want to see Rwanda happen.
Timothy Bucktu said:
So I suppose the answer to this thread title is...yes, yes he can.
Just goes to show how utterly the Conservatives have failed. People (myself included) can no longer stomach the thought of voting for them, giving the loony Leftists a free ride. It's not a bad thing I guess...many people of voting age will soon experience what life in their Socialist utopia is like in real life...!
Can’t be worse than the last 14 years of sJust goes to show how utterly the Conservatives have failed. People (myself included) can no longer stomach the thought of voting for them, giving the loony Leftists a free ride. It's not a bad thing I guess...many people of voting age will soon experience what life in their Socialist utopia is like in real life...!
t. Dingu said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
So I suppose the answer to this thread title is...yes, yes he can.
Just goes to show how utterly the Conservatives have failed. People (myself included) can no longer stomach the thought of voting for them, giving the loony Leftists a free ride. It's not a bad thing I guess...many people of voting age will soon experience what life in their Socialist utopia is like in real life...!
Can’t be worse than the last 14 years of sJust goes to show how utterly the Conservatives have failed. People (myself included) can no longer stomach the thought of voting for them, giving the loony Leftists a free ride. It's not a bad thing I guess...many people of voting age will soon experience what life in their Socialist utopia is like in real life...!
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people have short memories and this time there is no money in the kitty , so anything they want to do will require increased taxation or reductions in services. bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Of course they might.
But I think we're past the "what if?" tipping point and people just want this lot gone.
Look at the overnight results.
Total wipeout barring the odd bit of hope to cling onto.
And what are this lot doing about it? They have the party Chairman doing the media round telling presenters the public want to see Rwanda happen.
And, it’s typical of deluded people thinking they’ll be a dramatic change in their lives by changing one government to another. But I think we're past the "what if?" tipping point and people just want this lot gone.
Look at the overnight results.
Total wipeout barring the odd bit of hope to cling onto.
And what are this lot doing about it? They have the party Chairman doing the media round telling presenters the public want to see Rwanda happen.
When the Labour loons get in, people are soon going to feel the impact of open door immigration, tax hikes and the general party’s problem of having to make policies rather than moan about someone else’s. It’ll be a s
t show. But people like you will be the first to say grr Tories….as sure as night follows day
carlo996 said:
And, it’s typical of deluded people thinking they’ll be a dramatic change in their lives by changing one government to another.
When the Labour loons get in, people are soon going to feel the impact of open door immigration, tax hikes and the general party’s problem of having to make policies rather than moan about someone else’s. It’ll be a st show.
But people like you will be the first to say grr Tories….as sure as night follows day
Yeah the people who have decided they don't want the current lot in charge any more are definitely deluded.When the Labour loons get in, people are soon going to feel the impact of open door immigration, tax hikes and the general party’s problem of having to make policies rather than moan about someone else’s. It’ll be a s
t show. But people like you will be the first to say grr Tories….as sure as night follows day
Not you though you're a very sensible reasoned chap just adding a bit of balance here aren't you.
I live in a very traditionally conservative type village in the South East. Yesterday was out with a group of people from the village and we saw someone had a ‘vote conservative’ sign outside.
Pretty much everyone agreed they were utterly insane to advertise the fact they were tories and that it’s basically like hanging a big ‘fk you!’ sign out front.
In a village like this - Says it all really. The tories are utterly done.
Pretty much everyone agreed they were utterly insane to advertise the fact they were tories and that it’s basically like hanging a big ‘f
k you!’ sign out front. In a village like this - Says it all really. The tories are utterly done.
carlo996 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Of course they might.
But I think we're past the "what if?" tipping point and people just want this lot gone.
Look at the overnight results.
Total wipeout barring the odd bit of hope to cling onto.
And what are this lot doing about it? They have the party Chairman doing the media round telling presenters the public want to see Rwanda happen.
And, it’s typical of deluded people thinking they’ll be a dramatic change in their lives by changing one government to another. But I think we're past the "what if?" tipping point and people just want this lot gone.
Look at the overnight results.
Total wipeout barring the odd bit of hope to cling onto.
And what are this lot doing about it? They have the party Chairman doing the media round telling presenters the public want to see Rwanda happen.
When the Labour loons get in, people are soon going to feel the impact of open door immigration, tax hikes and the general party’s problem of having to make policies rather than moan about someone else’s. It’ll be a s
t show. But people like you will be the first to say grr Tories….as sure as night follows day
p1stonhead said:
The tories are utterly done.
They said that in 1997. Uk is fundamentally center / center right evidenced by the last umpteen elections. SKS will probably be a new Blair and take the mantle of a centerist Labour govt; Tory-lite. The Tories will regroup and reinvent, the cycle goes round again. vaud said:
p1stonhead said:
The tories are utterly done.
They said that in 1997. Uk is fundamentally center / center right evidenced by the last umpteen elections. SKS will probably be a new Blair and take the mantle of a centerist Labour govt; Tory-lite. The Tories will regroup and reinvent, the cycle goes round again. Wouldn’t be surprised if they’re back in 5 years somehow.
President Merkin said:
PRTVR said:
Oh yes it can people have short memories and this time there is no money in the kitty , so anything they want to do will require increased taxation or reductions in services.
And in a parallel universe where the Tories scraped home again, that would be different how? people have short memories and this time there is no money in the kitty , so anything they want to do will require increased taxation or reductions in services. p1stonhead said:
vaud said:
p1stonhead said:
The tories are utterly done.
They said that in 1997. Uk is fundamentally center / center right evidenced by the last umpteen elections. SKS will probably be a new Blair and take the mantle of a centerist Labour govt; Tory-lite. The Tories will regroup and reinvent, the cycle goes round again. Wouldn’t be surprised if they’re back in 5 years somehow.
Speed 3 said:
p1stonhead said:
vaud said:
p1stonhead said:
The tories are utterly done.
They said that in 1997. Uk is fundamentally center / center right evidenced by the last umpteen elections. SKS will probably be a new Blair and take the mantle of a centerist Labour govt; Tory-lite. The Tories will regroup and reinvent, the cycle goes round again. Wouldn’t be surprised if they’re back in 5 years somehow.
Even so, Starmer won't need as much paracetamol as Sunak over the next couple of days.
turbobloke said:
At the start it wasn't their doing, then eventually and inevitably Gordon reverted to old Labour...no money Left, as the man said with wry humour. Even so, at the bitter end the remnants of Blair-Brown ecnomically were better than their predecessor Labour governments, partly a low baseline effect (see Denis meets the IMF).
Short memories may not go back far enough.
The Conservatives take an absolute battering and there's you on the Starmer thread still banging on about Brown and Blair rather than being on the Sunak thread reflecting on exactly how all those years banging the saucepan for the morally bankrupt Johnson and the Conservatives ended up like this.Short memories may not go back far enough.
Imagine my surprise
Speed 3 said:
Not for some on here, they think all Labour governments are like the one in the 1970's, over half a century ago. They conveniently forget the one that served two terms more recently and (war crimes aside) had much better quality of living & global economic stats than we've had over the last 14 years.
I think we are in for at least two terms of Labour government but anyone expecting a repeat of the Blair/Brown years will be sorely disappointed.They inherited a golden economic legacy in 1997, kept spending under control for a few years, and then went wild leading to years of "austerity" to try and balance the books. None of the same conditions exist now.
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