Student Activism in the USA
Discussion
One of the main differences between the 70s and now is the behaviour of students. There is, seemingly, a lack of reaction to government policies. Back in the day, there would have been lots of students protesting about sending refugees to a country that, when there was a way of applying for political asylum, people could claim asylum from. Students should question.
I feel that what's happening in Palestine is appalling. We have largely passive demonstrations against it in various cities, particularly London, and the government response has been to ignore this swell of opinion. I feel like demonstrating. It's an affront to decency. The casual dismissal of deaths of innocents is enough to make anyone angry. But it took the deaths on non-Palestinians to generate a mild rebuke. A sit-in by students in the country that funds the attacks on innocents, and continues to do so, is a mild response. Good on 'em. Americans should be ashamed of what their country is doing to the middle-east. I'm just glad someone has noticed.
I feel that what's happening in Palestine is appalling. We have largely passive demonstrations against it in various cities, particularly London, and the government response has been to ignore this swell of opinion. I feel like demonstrating. It's an affront to decency. The casual dismissal of deaths of innocents is enough to make anyone angry. But it took the deaths on non-Palestinians to generate a mild rebuke. A sit-in by students in the country that funds the attacks on innocents, and continues to do so, is a mild response. Good on 'em. Americans should be ashamed of what their country is doing to the middle-east. I'm just glad someone has noticed.
Blue62 said:
I’m not sure that this is really a case of identity politics, the opposition to what’s going on in Gaza is fairly broad based, so I don’t understand your ‘natural end point’ comment, but I’m all ears.
Identity politics is simply the latest extremist ideology that separates humanity into a hierarchy based upon innate characteristics and advocates for differing treatment based upon the place in that hierarchy. It comes as no surprise then to see those who embrace it firstly justifying, or denying, atrocities against Jewish civilians committed by those who have a higher place on the hierarchy. Then secondly turning a protest against the actions of the Israeli state into a campaign of harassment against their fellow citizens who are Jewish.
JagLover said:
Identity politics is simply the latest extremist ideology that separates humanity into a hierarchy based upon innate characteristics and advocates for differing treatment based upon the place in that hierarchy.
It comes as no surprise then to see those who embrace it firstly justifying, or denying, atrocities against Jewish civilians committed by those who have a higher place on the hierarchy. Then secondly turning a protest against the actions of the Israeli state into a campaign of harassment against their fellow citizens who are Jewish.
That’s one definition among many, from here it looks as though you’re attempting to put anyone who objects to, or protests against, what the Israeli state is doing in Gaza as identity politics, it’s too broad based to fit that description. I know people of all persuasions who think it’s gone too far, they are generally as far as you can get from anything that could meaningfully be described as identity.It comes as no surprise then to see those who embrace it firstly justifying, or denying, atrocities against Jewish civilians committed by those who have a higher place on the hierarchy. Then secondly turning a protest against the actions of the Israeli state into a campaign of harassment against their fellow citizens who are Jewish.
I think you laid yourself bare with the other false statement that you’ve usefully sidestepped, the one where you claimed the current generation bandy the word Nazi around, as though it’s something new.
JagLover said:
It comes as no surprise then to see those who embrace it firstly justifying, or denying, atrocities against Jewish civilians committed by those who have a higher place on the hierarchy. Then secondly turning a protest against the actions of the Israeli state into a campaign of harassment against their fellow citizens who are Jewish.
I’d love to think this is parody, but it’s not. You are literally stating what you are doing defending the actions of Israel in Palestine today, but with the names reversed. Provide evidence of people justifying or denying atrocities against Jewish civilians? For every one fringe loon you find I can provide ten of people defending war crimes by the IDF.Ridgemont said:
This is not 1968.
Jewish students have over the last few days been told to ‘go back to Poland’ and been told they are ‘Al-Qasam’s next target’.
Utterly despicable and outrageous. Bigotry dressed up as ‘right to protest’ and ‘Free speech’ is still racist bigotry.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/21/nyregion/columb...
Proving my point. Right wing “I don’t agree with it but defend the right of people to say it” quickly devolves in to Pearl clutching whine when it’s something you don’t agree with. Exactly the same as we saw with BLM.Jewish students have over the last few days been told to ‘go back to Poland’ and been told they are ‘Al-Qasam’s next target’.
Utterly despicable and outrageous. Bigotry dressed up as ‘right to protest’ and ‘Free speech’ is still racist bigotry.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/21/nyregion/columb...
A bunch of far right thugs smash up stuff, hurl abuse at the police and intimidate people “FREE SPEECH! It’s a small minority! You can’t blame everyone for that!!!!”
A small number of protesters from a huge group say some offensive things “SMASH THEM! SEND IN THE RIOT POLICE!!!! WATER CANNON THE LOT OF THEM!!!!”.
The fact that you ignore the subheading to support your claims says it all
“ After reports of harassment by demonstrators, some Jewish students said they felt unsafe. Others said they felt safe, while condemning antisemitism.”
Sounds like you are calling for the right to not be offended…
Electro1980 said:
Ridgemont said:
This is not 1968.
Jewish students have over the last few days been told to ‘go back to Poland’ and been told they are ‘Al-Qasam’s next target’.
Utterly despicable and outrageous. Bigotry dressed up as ‘right to protest’ and ‘Free speech’ is still racist bigotry.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/21/nyregion/columb...
Proving my point. Right wing “I don’t agree with it but defend the right of people to say it” quickly devolves in to Pearl clutching whine when it’s something you don’t agree with. Exactly the same as we saw with BLM.Jewish students have over the last few days been told to ‘go back to Poland’ and been told they are ‘Al-Qasam’s next target’.
Utterly despicable and outrageous. Bigotry dressed up as ‘right to protest’ and ‘Free speech’ is still racist bigotry.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/21/nyregion/columb...
A bunch of far right thugs smash up stuff, hurl abuse at the police and intimidate people “FREE SPEECH! It’s a small minority! You can’t blame everyone for that!!!!”
A small number of protesters from a huge group say some offensive things “SMASH THEM! SEND IN THE RIOT POLICE!!!! WATER CANNON THE LOT OF THEM!!!!”.
The fact that you ignore the subheading to support your claims says it all
“ After reports of harassment by demonstrators, some Jewish students said they felt unsafe. Others said they felt safe, while condemning antisemitism.”
Sounds like you are calling for the right to not be offended…
The same applies with Columbia.
But no, we have hypocrites on the left like yourself wibbling about ‘freedom of speech’ when they want a one handed one eyed application of it.
272BHP said:
I find some of this quite shocking to be honest.
https://unherd.com/newsroom/have-elite-universitie...
"Activism can bolster high-achieving students’ social and academic standing, including through lucrative fellowships. An organisation funded by Left-wing billionaire George Soros, for example, has been paying student activists $3,000 per three-month term to pressure politicians and government entities to cut financial ties with Israel."
I do think this recent surge in 'left leaning' protests and activism has someone like this at the source, either Soros, China or Russia.https://unherd.com/newsroom/have-elite-universitie...
"Activism can bolster high-achieving students’ social and academic standing, including through lucrative fellowships. An organisation funded by Left-wing billionaire George Soros, for example, has been paying student activists $3,000 per three-month term to pressure politicians and government entities to cut financial ties with Israel."
'Useful idiots' indeed...
Ridgemont said:
Electro1980 said:
If you exclude all protest where someone feels intimidated then peaceful protest is impossible. But then you Godwin it immediately.
By all accounts, and reasonable definition, the protests have been peaceful. It’s an attack on free speech, by those who claim to so strongly support free speech. By people who are happy to defend people carrying guns in protest, suddenly they don’t believe in the right to protest.
This is all about identity politics. The identity politics of right wing politicians trying to invoke a “far left” boogy man to keep control of a population starting to turn away from populist politics.
This is not 1968.By all accounts, and reasonable definition, the protests have been peaceful. It’s an attack on free speech, by those who claim to so strongly support free speech. By people who are happy to defend people carrying guns in protest, suddenly they don’t believe in the right to protest.
This is all about identity politics. The identity politics of right wing politicians trying to invoke a “far left” boogy man to keep control of a population starting to turn away from populist politics.
Jewish students have over the last few days been told to ‘go back to Poland’ and been told they are ‘Al-Qasam’s next target’.
Utterly despicable and outrageous. Bigotry dressed up as ‘right to protest’ and ‘Free speech’ is still racist bigotry.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/21/nyregion/columb...
Skeptisk said:
Ridgemont said:
Electro1980 said:
If you exclude all protest where someone feels intimidated then peaceful protest is impossible. But then you Godwin it immediately.
By all accounts, and reasonable definition, the protests have been peaceful. It’s an attack on free speech, by those who claim to so strongly support free speech. By people who are happy to defend people carrying guns in protest, suddenly they don’t believe in the right to protest.
This is all about identity politics. The identity politics of right wing politicians trying to invoke a “far left” boogy man to keep control of a population starting to turn away from populist politics.
This is not 1968.By all accounts, and reasonable definition, the protests have been peaceful. It’s an attack on free speech, by those who claim to so strongly support free speech. By people who are happy to defend people carrying guns in protest, suddenly they don’t believe in the right to protest.
This is all about identity politics. The identity politics of right wing politicians trying to invoke a “far left” boogy man to keep control of a population starting to turn away from populist politics.
Jewish students have over the last few days been told to ‘go back to Poland’ and been told they are ‘Al-Qasam’s next target’.
Utterly despicable and outrageous. Bigotry dressed up as ‘right to protest’ and ‘Free speech’ is still racist bigotry.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/21/nyregion/columb...
Strange argument but I guess it made sense when you typed it.
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hstewie said:
Yet some people think these students understand what they are protesting about and are cheering them on. hstewie said:Ivy league students, are they not supposed to be the best students in America Jeeez...
bhstewie said:
This is what happens when you give people safe spaces to hide away when they cannot handle their emotions and tell the same people it's ok to shout down anyone who dares to have an opinion different to their own. hstewie said:Also, from the river to the sea, bring us KFC.
Edited by CharlieCrocodile on Wednesday 1st May 20:46
Derek Smith said:
One of the main differences between the 70s and now is the behaviour of students. There is, seemingly, a lack of reaction to government policies. Back in the day, there would have been lots of students protesting about sending refugees to a country that, when there was a way of applying for political asylum, people could claim asylum from. Students should question.
I feel that what's happening in Palestine is appalling. We have largely passive demonstrations against it in various cities, particularly London, and the government response has been to ignore this swell of opinion. I feel like demonstrating. It's an affront to decency. The casual dismissal of deaths of innocents is enough to make anyone angry. But it took the deaths on non-Palestinians to generate a mild rebuke. A sit-in by students in the country that funds the attacks on innocents, and continues to do so, is a mild response. Good on 'em. Americans should be ashamed of what their country is doing to the middle-east. I'm just glad someone has noticed.
Innocents? Ah, bless!I feel that what's happening in Palestine is appalling. We have largely passive demonstrations against it in various cities, particularly London, and the government response has been to ignore this swell of opinion. I feel like demonstrating. It's an affront to decency. The casual dismissal of deaths of innocents is enough to make anyone angry. But it took the deaths on non-Palestinians to generate a mild rebuke. A sit-in by students in the country that funds the attacks on innocents, and continues to do so, is a mild response. Good on 'em. Americans should be ashamed of what their country is doing to the middle-east. I'm just glad someone has noticed.
Fast and Spurious said:
Derek Smith said:
One of the main differences between the 70s and now is the behaviour of students. There is, seemingly, a lack of reaction to government policies. Back in the day, there would have been lots of students protesting about sending refugees to a country that, when there was a way of applying for political asylum, people could claim asylum from. Students should question.
I feel that what's happening in Palestine is appalling. We have largely passive demonstrations against it in various cities, particularly London, and the government response has been to ignore this swell of opinion. I feel like demonstrating. It's an affront to decency. The casual dismissal of deaths of innocents is enough to make anyone angry. But it took the deaths on non-Palestinians to generate a mild rebuke. A sit-in by students in the country that funds the attacks on innocents, and continues to do so, is a mild response. Good on 'em. Americans should be ashamed of what their country is doing to the middle-east. I'm just glad someone has noticed.
Innocents? Ah, bless!I feel that what's happening in Palestine is appalling. We have largely passive demonstrations against it in various cities, particularly London, and the government response has been to ignore this swell of opinion. I feel like demonstrating. It's an affront to decency. The casual dismissal of deaths of innocents is enough to make anyone angry. But it took the deaths on non-Palestinians to generate a mild rebuke. A sit-in by students in the country that funds the attacks on innocents, and continues to do so, is a mild response. Good on 'em. Americans should be ashamed of what their country is doing to the middle-east. I'm just glad someone has noticed.
(Figures are about a month old I believe. They have gone up of course.)
KAgantua said:
272BHP said:
I find some of this quite shocking to be honest.
https://unherd.com/newsroom/have-elite-universitie...
"Activism can bolster high-achieving students’ social and academic standing, including through lucrative fellowships. An organisation funded by Left-wing billionaire George Soros, for example, has been paying student activists $3,000 per three-month term to pressure politicians and government entities to cut financial ties with Israel."
I do think this recent surge in 'left leaning' protests and activism has someone like this at the source, either Soros, China or Russia.https://unherd.com/newsroom/have-elite-universitie...
"Activism can bolster high-achieving students’ social and academic standing, including through lucrative fellowships. An organisation funded by Left-wing billionaire George Soros, for example, has been paying student activists $3,000 per three-month term to pressure politicians and government entities to cut financial ties with Israel."
'Useful idiots' indeed...
Delicious irony of building a border wall and rejecting non-like people, appropriating Muslim culture by prayer acts, and calling for death when yesterday they had to have a lie down if they were mis-gendered. [I suppose the prayer could be interpreted as 'taking both knees'...]
Hysteria is contagious, PhDs from Ivy Leagues are dumb as rocks [led by plagiarists and nincompoops], extremely impressionable people that understand very little of the world and its mechanisms, narrow minded to the perspectives of others and very open to every 'new' activist fad that elevates their status within their in-group.
Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.
'Twas ever thus.
Hysteria is contagious, PhDs from Ivy Leagues are dumb as rocks [led by plagiarists and nincompoops], extremely impressionable people that understand very little of the world and its mechanisms, narrow minded to the perspectives of others and very open to every 'new' activist fad that elevates their status within their in-group.
Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.
'Twas ever thus.
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