School dinners - please sir can I have some more!!!!
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Murph7355 said:
dickymint said:
You really think that’s a typical uk school dinner?
No. I was being sarcastic.School dinners is another of those political landmines that nobody is allowed to question. Especially with some posters on here. Hence there will never, ever be effective solutions on it.
I am sure there are some kids in this country who have massive problems with malnutrition. I'm far less convinced that is the fault of school dinners or even UK Govts present and past (way past).
That that link seems to convince some people might suggest they were subject to malnutrition (or adhd) themselves.
Surely it's pretty simple and uncontroversial to look at the meals being provided by a school and judge if they're healthy or not? That seems like a reasonable expectation, surely?
Murph7355 said:
No. I was being sarcastic.
School dinners is another of those political landmines that nobody is allowed to question. Especially with some posters on here. Hence there will never, ever be effective solutions on it.
I am sure there are some kids in this country who have massive problems with malnutrition. I'm far less convinced that is the fault of school dinners or even UK Govts present and past (way past).
That that link seems to convince some people might suggest they were subject to malnutrition (or adhd) themselves.
Japan's approach to population diet and school meals is very interesting (hopefully the time stamp works).School dinners is another of those political landmines that nobody is allowed to question. Especially with some posters on here. Hence there will never, ever be effective solutions on it.
I am sure there are some kids in this country who have massive problems with malnutrition. I'm far less convinced that is the fault of school dinners or even UK Govts present and past (way past).
That that link seems to convince some people might suggest they were subject to malnutrition (or adhd) themselves.
Murph7355 said:
No. I was being sarcastic.
School dinners is another of those political landmines that nobody is allowed to question. Especially with some posters on here. Hence there will never, ever be effective solutions on it.
I am sure there are some kids in this country who have massive problems with malnutrition. I'm far less convinced that is the fault of school dinners or even UK Govts present and past (way past).
That that link seems to convince some people might suggest they were subject to malnutrition (or adhd) themselves.
Tell you what Murph go find me some good examples of UK school dinners.School dinners is another of those political landmines that nobody is allowed to question. Especially with some posters on here. Hence there will never, ever be effective solutions on it.
I am sure there are some kids in this country who have massive problems with malnutrition. I'm far less convinced that is the fault of school dinners or even UK Govts present and past (way past).
That that link seems to convince some people might suggest they were subject to malnutrition (or adhd) themselves.
I'm sure they exist.
But overwhelmingly the evidence I've seen is that they are dogs
t.When you've got Vanden Saab suggesting that something resembling a tin of Heinz London Grill is a good example of the sort of meal schools should be providing to kids I'm at a slight loss what the hell is going on.
Same with the hospital meals anecdote earlier.
Generally pure garbage supplied by the lowest bidder.
Murph7355 said:
No. I was being sarcastic.
School dinners is another of those political landmines that nobody is allowed to question. Especially with some posters on here. Hence there will never, ever be effective solutions on it.
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Murphy's law - Contentious social issues are inherently insoluble because of disagreements on a motoring forum. School dinners is another of those political landmines that nobody is allowed to question. Especially with some posters on here. Hence there will never, ever be effective solutions on it.
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Sad thing is for many kids, the dogst school meal may still be the best meal they get all day.
Another sad thing is that in the linked article there were some lovely meals (I wonder if it was the international meals that weren't realistic rather than the Bristish and US ones) but suspect that UK kids would reject them as not brown enough.
t school meal may still be the best meal they get all day.Another sad thing is that in the linked article there were some lovely meals (I wonder if it was the international meals that weren't realistic rather than the Bristish and US ones) but suspect that UK kids would reject them as not brown enough.
The food at our kids primary is excellent - prepped on site, 3 choices per day + a "deli bar".
Eldest is heading to secondary and the food (at least on the open days) was excellent (I know they are in full sales mode but I've talked to friends kids who are there as well)... but then they are scaled to serve 2000 kids. They are part of a small academy so I guess their buying power is good for 5000+ meals per day.
Eldest is heading to secondary and the food (at least on the open days) was excellent (I know they are in full sales mode but I've talked to friends kids who are there as well)... but then they are scaled to serve 2000 kids. They are part of a small academy so I guess their buying power is good for 5000+ meals per day.
vaud said:
The food at our kids primary is excellent - prepped on site, 3 choices per day + a "deli bar".
Eldest is heading to secondary and the food (at least on the open days) was excellent (I know they are in full sales mode but I've talked to friends kids who are there as well)... but then they are scaled to serve 2000 kids. They are part of a small academy so I guess their buying power is good for 5000+ meals per day.
It can be done, but it's about priorities in schools that are strapped for cash. Eldest is heading to secondary and the food (at least on the open days) was excellent (I know they are in full sales mode but I've talked to friends kids who are there as well)... but then they are scaled to serve 2000 kids. They are part of a small academy so I guess their buying power is good for 5000+ meals per day.
An anecdote, but it illustrates the problems around here. Who pays for the paper and pens used at our village primary school? The teachers out of their own pockets. Supplies needed for a project? Teacher's pocket. They're hardly well paid in the first place. It's so normal to them they don't even complain about it.
ATG said:
It can be done, but it's about priorities in schools that are strapped for cash.
I think it depends... our school is under Bradford council and we pay £2.20/day. It's a big school for a primary (400) so I guess they get the scale and I know the academy/Bradford do a lot of central sourcing and menu design.... one of the few things Bradford seem to do well.£2.20 isn't a lot of money but having seen the food and menus, and my kids comments, I can just about see how they put the food out for that cost.
10 years ago when my son was in year 6 I volunteered as a "dinner lady" at his school. We live in a village and the school was at the end of our road. Only did it for about a month but it was hell of an eye opener.
Food was brought in by van already cooked. "Obviously a cost saving"
We then plugged in the food carts so that the dishes could be kept warm by a pair of 60W bulbs.
Visually it looked awful and must have tasted it as well.
In my mind the amount of wastage was totally unacceptable.
I switched my son to a packed lunch after that..
Food was brought in by van already cooked. "Obviously a cost saving"
We then plugged in the food carts so that the dishes could be kept warm by a pair of 60W bulbs.
Visually it looked awful and must have tasted it as well.
In my mind the amount of wastage was totally unacceptable.
I switched my son to a packed lunch after that..
dickymint said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0w6wpe848o
When I were a lad
....... You ate what was on the plate including the bread and butter the meat or you didn't get any pudding.
/PinkFloydWhen I were a lad
....... You ate My everlasting memory of school dinners in the 80s was spam and chips covered in salt and vinegar finished off with some lumpy rice pudding with a chocolate button on top. Seemed delicious back then. Not exactly balanced or nutritious though. Are school dinners any worse now? Doubt it.
The food at my primary was dogst back when I was a kid in the late 80's/early 90's and I went to a private prep school.
The smell of hot semolina still makes me heave to this day.
My secondary school was better but came with the risk of having it tipped over your head by one of the older kids.
t back when I was a kid in the late 80's/early 90's and I went to a private prep school.The smell of hot semolina still makes me heave to this day.
My secondary school was better but came with the risk of having it tipped over your head by one of the older kids.
cliffords said:
My daughter is in Hospital right now and for the last 10 days or so .
The food is utterly unbelievable. I just can't understand why no nutritional value, vegetables or fruit is provided. We are taking her stuff in .
Yesterday example. Breakfast, white toast margarine and jam. Lunch two suspect sausages and two boiled potatoes, no vegetables at all. Dinner Pasta bake with cheese, no salad or vegetables.
I am amazed Thet have no clue
Agree 100%, I was genuinely gobsmacked when I saw it. Awful. Really really poor. The food is utterly unbelievable. I just can't understand why no nutritional value, vegetables or fruit is provided. We are taking her stuff in .
Yesterday example. Breakfast, white toast margarine and jam. Lunch two suspect sausages and two boiled potatoes, no vegetables at all. Dinner Pasta bake with cheese, no salad or vegetables.
I am amazed Thet have no clue
I have direct comparison to Austrian hospital food as unfortunately my gran in law fell while we were on holiday with her, and let me tell you, the difference was stark.
budgie smuggler said:
cliffords said:
My daughter is in Hospital right now and for the last 10 days or so .
The food is utterly unbelievable. I just can't understand why no nutritional value, vegetables or fruit is provided. We are taking her stuff in .
Yesterday example. Breakfast, white toast margarine and jam. Lunch two suspect sausages and two boiled potatoes, no vegetables at all. Dinner Pasta bake with cheese, no salad or vegetables.
I am amazed Thet have no clue
Agree 100%, I was genuinely gobsmacked when I saw it. Awful. Really really poor. The food is utterly unbelievable. I just can't understand why no nutritional value, vegetables or fruit is provided. We are taking her stuff in .
Yesterday example. Breakfast, white toast margarine and jam. Lunch two suspect sausages and two boiled potatoes, no vegetables at all. Dinner Pasta bake with cheese, no salad or vegetables.
I am amazed Thet have no clue
I have direct comparison to Austrian hospital food as unfortunately my gran in law fell while we were on holiday with her, and let me tell you, the difference was stark.
School dinners ought to be seen as an opportunity to build good eating habits, which will mean healthy adults with wider benefits for society/the economy. There are studies linking nourishment and academic performance too.
I guess the smaller village schools have the hardest time as they don't have the scale to hire staff, etc and so have to buy food in.
I remember my primary school in the 80s bought the food in from the middle school who had bigger kitchens. Fish and chips that had been sat around and then driven across town put me off them for years.
I remember my primary school in the 80s bought the food in from the middle school who had bigger kitchens. Fish and chips that had been sat around and then driven across town put me off them for years.
Ridgemont said:
Mobile Chicane said:
My school dinners - 1970s - were absolutely delicious and far superior to anything I got at home since neither of my parents could cook.
All fresh, cooked on-site, from scratch, by 'dinner ladies' who absolutely knew their stuff. Roast dinner at least once a week, pies, hotpots, proper puddings.
Generally would concur bar one exception.All fresh, cooked on-site, from scratch, by 'dinner ladies' who absolutely knew their stuff. Roast dinner at least once a week, pies, hotpots, proper puddings.
Chicken f
king ‘supreme’.Awful awful stuff.
Irish Stew day was my least fave.
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