I predict a massive financial case next 5 years

I predict a massive financial case next 5 years

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Mr Whippy

29,091 posts

242 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Wilmslowboy said:
To profit from the next crash, you have to predict what causes the crash and also the likely response.
Exactly.

And they’re not going to do what they did again with inflation vs interest rates, and the horrible mess all the helicopter money recently generated… I don’t think.

So good luck trying to front-run the unknown.


My advice picked up from elsewhere is ignore all of it and focus on your own lot.

Sporky

6,413 posts

65 months

Wednesday 1st May
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The best way to profit from it is to be really, really rich already.

Mr Whippy

29,091 posts

242 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Sporky said:
The best way to profit from it is to be really, really rich already.
Just like lots of rich people in 1929 hehe

Simpo Two

85,679 posts

266 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Ken_Code said:
(although we have a bit of political risk incoming - its probably less than the US / Europe with rise o populist right wing parties
I don't have a problem with a politician that's popular. We just don't have any.

It may have been a coincidence but when media hate-figure Trump was President, the markets did very well.

macron

9,927 posts

167 months

Wednesday 1st May
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mickythefish said:
On a country level, how would I profit off the back of this, gold etc?
Confused how someone who calls themselves an "analyst" would even ask this. Analyse.

Ken_Code

638 posts

3 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Simpo Two said:
I don't have a problem with a politician that's popular. We just don't have any.

It may have been a coincidence but when media hate-figure Trump was President, the markets did very well.
I don’t think I wrote that quote.

OoopsVoss

465 posts

11 months

Thursday 2nd May
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Ken_Code said:
Simpo Two said:
I don't have a problem with a politician that's popular. We just don't have any.

It may have been a coincidence but when media hate-figure Trump was President, the markets did very well.
I don’t think I wrote that quote.
I did, popular and populism aren't the same thing.... I realise that Simpo caveated his post - but Trump round 2 won't be like Trump version 1. The US economy is slowly crashing, Trumps room to manoeuvre is limited, but he's likely to do something stupid like tax cuts. Although the Republicans will likely end up controlling House and Senate, the party itself is coming out against Trump as he's an utter lunatic. If he wins, he's going to see it not only as a victory against the Democrats - but the Republican party itself and he'll be surrounded by loons.

The markets now are going to react more to whatever the CBs do, it will be indeed be coincidental that when the Fed start easing (probably by YE & into next year) and IF Trump wins it, risk markets will rally.

Red9zero

6,963 posts

58 months

Thursday 2nd May
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Toilet roll.

leef44

4,450 posts

154 months

Thursday 2nd May
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Red9zero said:
Toilet roll.
This is the only sure thing.

Everything else is totally unpredictable because politics has gotten so volatile so you are at the whim of whatever erratic thinking is the fad of the day.

OddCat

2,570 posts

172 months

Thursday 2nd May
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There will be a ginormous financial crash at some point soon. Firstly because one is due and secondly because government debts are getting out of control due to overspending and servicing the interest on that debt will start to become a problem.

Not sure what asset classes will be safest. Probably best to spread investments across property, quality shares, gold and cash so you can at least sit it out when it happens.

Ken_Code

638 posts

3 months

Thursday 2nd May
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There is no “due.”

You’re expressing the “gambler’s fallacy”, the idea that past price movements predict future ones, but they don’t.

dingg

4,003 posts

220 months

Thursday 2nd May
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We're all doomed

( 5 years is a BIG window, can you just tell me two weeks before it happens so I can liquidate everything)

Tia

macron

9,927 posts

167 months

Thursday 2nd May
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It's a shame the OP can't be arsed to come back and explain if that's the title they meant, or had been drinking.

RSTurboPaul

10,470 posts

259 months

Thursday 2nd May
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OddCat said:
There will be a ginormous financial crash at some point soon. Firstly because one is due and secondly because government debts are getting out of control due to overspending and servicing the interest on that debt will start to become a problem.

Not sure what asset classes will be safest. Probably best to spread investments across property, quality shares, gold and cash so you can at least sit it out when it happens.
The Great Taking seems to be saying that all shares will get hoovered up by Big Finance if there is a monster crash, regardless of if one thinks one owns them.

Ken_Code

638 posts

3 months

Friday 3rd May
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RSTurboPaul said:
The Great Taking seems to be saying that all shares will get hoovered up by Big Finance if there is a monster crash, regardless of if one thinks one owns them.
How is that possible?

OoopsVoss

465 posts

11 months

Friday 3rd May
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Ken_Code said:
There is no “due.”

You’re expressing the “gambler’s fallacy”, the idea that past price movements predict future ones, but they don’t.
I'm not sure its "gamblers fallacy", but you are largely correct - its not "due". By historical observation there is a monumental explosion of debt in the system which carries massive risk - but that in itself doesn't mean the system will fail. It might be the system is now too big to fail - so it won't be allowed to. It is indeed like the house price collapse people are still waiting on (as someone else mentioned).

Mind you, if people want some sleepless nights; this is the website for you:

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

It even has RoW (which is overstating the debt to gdp ratio's a bit due to calculation methods). The US national debt is increasing at around $1m a minute, which would be mind boggling a few years ago.

Its kinda funny that people think that gold, crypto or whatever magic will be a good hedge if that debt balloon bursts - you are in full and total society collapse. Although some of the dominating the stairs, German Malinois attack dog owning posters with a utility room full of 3 ply bog roll might emerge victorious.

Scootersp

3,207 posts

189 months

Friday 3rd May
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Ken_Code said:
How is that possible?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk3AVceraTI

20.30 starts to talk about 'ownership'

OoopsVoss

465 posts

11 months

Friday 3rd May
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Ken_Code said:
RSTurboPaul said:
The Great Taking seems to be saying that all shares will get hoovered up by Big Finance if there is a monster crash, regardless of if one thinks one owns them.
How is that possible?
Its not.

I tried to watch The Great Taking documentary, but find it somewhat baffling that a former hedge fund manager doesn't know what a bank is or does.

Some of what he is talking about is spinning up leverage and asset inflation, whilst that has massive impact on wealth inequality - I struggle to believe its a conspiracy of a few.

And if it is, surely its a tad subtle; so why would they swoop in and steal all the equity in a collapse? And if its not theft, but some form of asset collapse and hoover up; all of "Big Finance" are all acting in concert with Dodd Frank, Volcker, BASLE etc are just jokes?

Some of it is OK, but his conclusions are a bit at the fringe end. He's bought a farm, I bet he has a bunker; he's gone full prepper.

OoopsVoss

465 posts

11 months

Friday 3rd May
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Scootersp said:
Ken_Code said:
How is that possible?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk3AVceraTI

20.30 starts to talk about 'ownership'
That's not going to do allow the "Big Finance" to sweep in and appropriate all the equity.

Interesting that he picks up on CCP / Central Counterparty risk - I'd not seen the doc, but I had previously mentioned that CCPs were storing up bigger risk than dispersed business. Maybe I need a farm. And a bunker. and toilet rolls.

Ken_Code

638 posts

3 months

Friday 3rd May
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Scootersp said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk3AVceraTI

20.30 starts to talk about 'ownership'
It’s wrong. You can’t have your shares taken off you.