Christian Horner
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TheDeuce said:
Cruises.. hideous.
I can't get my head around the joy of exploring new places if it's all organised and there's a fixed time limit for how long you stay in each place.
Also the people... Pasty befuddled dumb dumbs that plonk themselves down at the most obvious, most touristy restaurants each time they waddle off the ship
It's just a floating retirement home.
I'm not really a fan of cruises
It's a harsh indictment but as a whole, cruise ships of pretty much any nature are aimed at a particular part of society. Hence why they say things like 'no children' because for that business they're targeting angry old people who just want a change of scene from the lounge window. The 'captain's Table' thing just sends shivers down the spine for the middle management tI can't get my head around the joy of exploring new places if it's all organised and there's a fixed time limit for how long you stay in each place.
Also the people... Pasty befuddled dumb dumbs that plonk themselves down at the most obvious, most touristy restaurants each time they waddle off the ship
It's just a floating retirement home.
I'm not really a fan of cruises
t with 3 stories one of which is guaranteed to be about a time that someone upper class deigned to converse with them, an annuity spec version of the car their final boss had or worse, an Etype or MG. And if they do have an E type then they will definitely be telling you what Enzo said if you fail to escape the moment you spot the warning signs. Naming ships after dead queens is also another big clue as to the punter drawn to them. At least with the cheap ships the people on board are just being free, who they are and happy. They just get progressively more awful as they become more pompous and pitching the cul de sack and clipboard
community. Back in the 90s my mother suffered an injury that left her advised to not fly so in order to get to the US each year they began using boats. Eventually they settled on Cunard as a brand and my father commented that they became worse and worse from the 90s into the naughties as more folk retired and sought to ply their trade on the open seas, that trade being to tell as many people as possible how much money they wanted others to think they had. The crossing was while enjoyable, mainly because my father would have deeply annoyed many people, or was the least enjoyable part of the holiday.
Forester1965 said:
Horner?
Arguably more secure than a few weeks ago? The more senior figures who depart the more the owners need to retain the person best likely to steer the business into the new waters. New designer to be found, probably some new drivers and I'm guessing the Austrian grandad might be announcing his entirely voluntary retirement at some point over the next 12 months, it having already been agreed.
Do you want to be chucking a new TP into that as well? I'm not sure there would be any logic.
732NM said:
Let's be fair to the PA, she told him to fk off and leave her alone, he didn’t. It's not her fault the bloke can't control himself or use his imagination.
None of the allegations or denials are yet proven. Pending outcome, PH should insist on a mandatory "allegedly" used in all postings. Even the sticky finger photo cos we have no evidence if that was duo with home or away team, solo or even truly Horner's digit...allegedly.k off and leave her alone, he didn’t. It's not her fault the bloke can't control himself or use his imagination. 
DRH986 said:
paulguitar said:
TheDeuce said:
You play the guitar to keep the yee-ha's happy?
Indeed.DonkeyApple said:
Arguably more secure than a few weeks ago? The more senior figures who depart the more the owners need to retain the person best likely to steer the business into the new waters.
New designer to be found, probably some new drivers and I'm guessing the Austrian grandad might be announcing his entirely voluntary retirement at some point over the next 12 months, it having already been agreed.
Do you want to be chucking a new TP into that as well? I'm not sure there would be any logic.
Guess it depends on what happens with the Yippy Ki Yay PA. A public examination of the private examination may lead enough important people to believe the value of their team and sport piggy banks is being degraded by Handy Pandy and better he leave the tent than keep coming all over the inside. New designer to be found, probably some new drivers and I'm guessing the Austrian grandad might be announcing his entirely voluntary retirement at some point over the next 12 months, it having already been agreed.
Do you want to be chucking a new TP into that as well? I'm not sure there would be any logic.
paulguitar said:
DRH986 said:
paulguitar said:
TheDeuce said:
You play the guitar to keep the yee-ha's happy?
Indeed.
(joking, DRH)
Baby Reindeer vibesForester1965 said:
Guess it depends on what happens with the Yippy Ki Yay PA. A public examination of the private examination may lead enough important people to believe the value of their team and sport piggy banks is being degraded by Handy Pandy and better he leave the tent than keep coming all over the inside.
Yup. I suspect that given her socio economic background, level of education and quality of experience she is on the back foot when it comes to arguing she was stupid, unwise, naive etc if it were all a consensual that subsequently went south. Even less so if the reason for it going south was the finding of another senior, older figure. Equally, if it were non consensual she has to argue why it wasn't addressed earlier and falling back on the fear argument becomes harder the more educated, emancipated and experienced the individual is. Even those who desired replacing Horner are now facing a new scenario where they wouldn't be risking parachuting a new leader into a team that has the best designer, best driver, best car etc. Arguably there is now a very different scenario and that's going to require a different tactic. If there is no killer evidence against Horner or if Horner doesn't have some killer opportunity presented elsewhere then maybe the best tactic is to let matters go dormant on the ousting front while CH shores up the team. If he fails then they can bin him on performance grounds, if he succeeds then they're just where they were 6 months ago.
DonkeyApple said:
Yup. I suspect that given her socio economic background, level of education and quality of experience she is on the back foot when it comes to arguing she was stupid, unwise, naive etc if it were all a consensual that subsequently went south. Even less so if the reason for it going south was the finding of another senior, older figure. Equally, if it were non consensual she has to argue why it wasn't addressed earlier and falling back on the fear argument becomes harder the more educated, emancipated and experienced the individual is.
Even those who desired replacing Horner are now facing a new scenario where they wouldn't be risking parachuting a new leader into a team that has the best designer, best driver, best car etc. Arguably there is now a very different scenario and that's going to require a different tactic. If there is no killer evidence against Horner or if Horner doesn't have some killer opportunity presented elsewhere then maybe the best tactic is to let matters go dormant on the ousting front while CH shores up the team. If he fails then they can bin him on performance grounds, if he succeeds then they're just where they were 6 months ago.
Possible scenario: It began as consensual, then consent was withdrawn, but one party tried to use their position of power within the company to pressure the other party into continuing.Even those who desired replacing Horner are now facing a new scenario where they wouldn't be risking parachuting a new leader into a team that has the best designer, best driver, best car etc. Arguably there is now a very different scenario and that's going to require a different tactic. If there is no killer evidence against Horner or if Horner doesn't have some killer opportunity presented elsewhere then maybe the best tactic is to let matters go dormant on the ousting front while CH shores up the team. If he fails then they can bin him on performance grounds, if he succeeds then they're just where they were 6 months ago.
(I know it's all been said, but sometimes it feels like people are still implying that she went into it with her eyes open, therefore she had no right to say 'enough'.)
Just going to throw this out there...
This is all a big scheme for the main RB players to get the company on the cheap. Since they're so far ahead of everyone else they'd have to pay a high price to take over RB. So they make a lot of rumours up, Horner pretends to diddle with the PA, Marko is a "rival" trying to kick him out alongside Max and Jos. Newey leaves the team because of the rumours.
The price to buy the team drops off a cliff. Horner "takes one for the team" and buys the F1 it off the desperate main RB company for a bargain, alongside some other investors. Only for it to turn out these other investors are Jos, Max, Marko, Newey and a few others. Newey re-signs for RB, Max signs a new long term contract and so on. It would explain the PA jumping to Jos rumours (both are part of the scheme), Marko not getting fired when he "tried" to get rid of Horner and so on. And would cover the F1 journos "if only you knew the real story behind the rumours" stories too.
It's the only possible explanation to all this!
This is all a big scheme for the main RB players to get the company on the cheap. Since they're so far ahead of everyone else they'd have to pay a high price to take over RB. So they make a lot of rumours up, Horner pretends to diddle with the PA, Marko is a "rival" trying to kick him out alongside Max and Jos. Newey leaves the team because of the rumours.
The price to buy the team drops off a cliff. Horner "takes one for the team" and buys the F1 it off the desperate main RB company for a bargain, alongside some other investors. Only for it to turn out these other investors are Jos, Max, Marko, Newey and a few others. Newey re-signs for RB, Max signs a new long term contract and so on. It would explain the PA jumping to Jos rumours (both are part of the scheme), Marko not getting fired when he "tried" to get rid of Horner and so on. And would cover the F1 journos "if only you knew the real story behind the rumours" stories too.
It's the only possible explanation to all this!
DonkeyApple said:
Forester1965 said:
Guess it depends on what happens with the Yippy Ki Yay PA. A public examination of the private examination may lead enough important people to believe the value of their team and sport piggy banks is being degraded by Handy Pandy and better he leave the tent than keep coming all over the inside.
Yup. I suspect that given her socio economic background, level of education and quality of experience she is on the back foot when it comes to arguing she was stupid, unwise, naive etc if it were all a consensual that subsequently went south. Even less so if the reason for it going south was the finding of another senior, older figure. Equally, if it were non consensual she has to argue why it wasn't addressed earlier and falling back on the fear argument becomes harder the more educated, emancipated and experienced the individual is. Even those who desired replacing Horner are now facing a new scenario where they wouldn't be risking parachuting a new leader into a team that has the best designer, best driver, best car etc. Arguably there is now a very different scenario and that's going to require a different tactic. If there is no killer evidence against Horner or if Horner doesn't have some killer opportunity presented elsewhere then maybe the best tactic is to let matters go dormant on the ousting front while CH shores up the team. If he fails then they can bin him on performance grounds, if he succeeds then they're just where they were 6 months ago.
HocusPocus said:
DonkeyApple said:
Forester1965 said:
Guess it depends on what happens with the Yippy Ki Yay PA. A public examination of the private examination may lead enough important people to believe the value of their team and sport piggy banks is being degraded by Handy Pandy and better he leave the tent than keep coming all over the inside.
Yup. I suspect that given her socio economic background, level of education and quality of experience she is on the back foot when it comes to arguing she was stupid, unwise, naive etc if it were all a consensual that subsequently went south. Even less so if the reason for it going south was the finding of another senior, older figure. Equally, if it were non consensual she has to argue why it wasn't addressed earlier and falling back on the fear argument becomes harder the more educated, emancipated and experienced the individual is. Even those who desired replacing Horner are now facing a new scenario where they wouldn't be risking parachuting a new leader into a team that has the best designer, best driver, best car etc. Arguably there is now a very different scenario and that's going to require a different tactic. If there is no killer evidence against Horner or if Horner doesn't have some killer opportunity presented elsewhere then maybe the best tactic is to let matters go dormant on the ousting front while CH shores up the team. If he fails then they can bin him on performance grounds, if he succeeds then they're just where they were 6 months ago.
NRS said:
Just going to throw this out there...
This is all a big scheme for the main RB players to get the company on the cheap. Since they're so far ahead of everyone else they'd have to pay a high price to take over RB. So they make a lot of rumours up, Horner pretends to diddle with the PA, Marko is a "rival" trying to kick him out alongside Max and Jos. Newey leaves the team because of the rumours.
The price to buy the team drops off a cliff. Horner "takes one for the team" and buys the F1 it off the desperate main RB company for a bargain, alongside some other investors. Only for it to turn out these other investors are Jos, Max, Marko, Newey and a few others. Newey re-signs for RB, Max signs a new long term contract and so on. It would explain the PA jumping to Jos rumours (both are part of the scheme), Marko not getting fired when he "tried" to get rid of Horner and so on. And would cover the F1 journos "if only you knew the real story behind the rumours" stories too.
It's the only possible explanation to all this!
Go have a lie down. This is all a big scheme for the main RB players to get the company on the cheap. Since they're so far ahead of everyone else they'd have to pay a high price to take over RB. So they make a lot of rumours up, Horner pretends to diddle with the PA, Marko is a "rival" trying to kick him out alongside Max and Jos. Newey leaves the team because of the rumours.
The price to buy the team drops off a cliff. Horner "takes one for the team" and buys the F1 it off the desperate main RB company for a bargain, alongside some other investors. Only for it to turn out these other investors are Jos, Max, Marko, Newey and a few others. Newey re-signs for RB, Max signs a new long term contract and so on. It would explain the PA jumping to Jos rumours (both are part of the scheme), Marko not getting fired when he "tried" to get rid of Horner and so on. And would cover the F1 journos "if only you knew the real story behind the rumours" stories too.
It's the only possible explanation to all this!
I'd go with slightly starstruck/flattered at first, did something silly, regretted it but didn't walk or say f$ck off because wanted to keep job and potential future career within F1. That would make her foolish for joining in at the start but not exonerate him when she started saying 'stop'.
Without re-running the entire early thread, if the messages are a true reflection of events, all else being equal, he and RB will be reamed at tribunal. It's textbook stuff.
Without re-running the entire early thread, if the messages are a true reflection of events, all else being equal, he and RB will be reamed at tribunal. It's textbook stuff.
paulguitar said:
HocusPocus said:
DonkeyApple said:
Forester1965 said:
Guess it depends on what happens with the Yippy Ki Yay PA. A public examination of the private examination may lead enough important people to believe the value of their team and sport piggy banks is being degraded by Handy Pandy and better he leave the tent than keep coming all over the inside.
Yup. I suspect that given her socio economic background, level of education and quality of experience she is on the back foot when it comes to arguing she was stupid, unwise, naive etc if it were all a consensual that subsequently went south. Even less so if the reason for it going south was the finding of another senior, older figure. Equally, if it were non consensual she has to argue why it wasn't addressed earlier and falling back on the fear argument becomes harder the more educated, emancipated and experienced the individual is. Even those who desired replacing Horner are now facing a new scenario where they wouldn't be risking parachuting a new leader into a team that has the best designer, best driver, best car etc. Arguably there is now a very different scenario and that's going to require a different tactic. If there is no killer evidence against Horner or if Horner doesn't have some killer opportunity presented elsewhere then maybe the best tactic is to let matters go dormant on the ousting front while CH shores up the team. If he fails then they can bin him on performance grounds, if he succeeds then they're just where they were 6 months ago.
SpudLink said:
DonkeyApple said:
Yup. I suspect that given her socio economic background, level of education and quality of experience she is on the back foot when it comes to arguing she was stupid, unwise, naive etc if it were all a consensual that subsequently went south. Even less so if the reason for it going south was the finding of another senior, older figure. Equally, if it were non consensual she has to argue why it wasn't addressed earlier and falling back on the fear argument becomes harder the more educated, emancipated and experienced the individual is.
Even those who desired replacing Horner are now facing a new scenario where they wouldn't be risking parachuting a new leader into a team that has the best designer, best driver, best car etc. Arguably there is now a very different scenario and that's going to require a different tactic. If there is no killer evidence against Horner or if Horner doesn't have some killer opportunity presented elsewhere then maybe the best tactic is to let matters go dormant on the ousting front while CH shores up the team. If he fails then they can bin him on performance grounds, if he succeeds then they're just where they were 6 months ago.
Possible scenario: It began as consensual, then consent was withdrawn, but one party tried to use their position of power within the company to pressure the other party into continuing.Even those who desired replacing Horner are now facing a new scenario where they wouldn't be risking parachuting a new leader into a team that has the best designer, best driver, best car etc. Arguably there is now a very different scenario and that's going to require a different tactic. If there is no killer evidence against Horner or if Horner doesn't have some killer opportunity presented elsewhere then maybe the best tactic is to let matters go dormant on the ousting front while CH shores up the team. If he fails then they can bin him on performance grounds, if he succeeds then they're just where they were 6 months ago.
(I know it's all been said, but sometimes it feels like people are still implying that she went into it with her eyes open, therefore she had no right to say 'enough'.)
Walking down the paddock with his current wife (someone who knows very well that he can’t keep his dick in his pants, because she used to be the mistress) for show, isn’t going to cut it with potential investors.
rdjohn said:
I was on consensual, gone wrong, orchestrated by RB HQ power struggle.
Newey leaving says far more to me than any tribunal could ever decide.
The attempted cover up, misdirection now lost them the top designer, yet still the PH horny apologists say he has to stay because Newey is going.Newey leaving says far more to me than any tribunal could ever decide.
Hilarious. Another race weekend of talking about hornys behaviour and the fallout.
It's not gone away
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