RE: Orders open for 600hp TWR Supercat
Discussion
Otispunkmeyer said:
PurpleTurtle said:
Official website here: https://twrperformance.co.uk/
I would be amazed if this gets beyond one running example.
Magnus Walker on the design team. I know that guy is well into his cars but I do not understand how he's got where he is. He makes tramps look smart.I would be amazed if this gets beyond one running example.
Jon_S_Rally said:
I'm not 100% sure about this. From some angles I quite like it, from others not so much. Will be interesting to see what the real car looks like that's for sure.
So he’s a nobody who has never designed a vehicle then, at best he has designed some body kits.DeejRC said:
For those of us who are blissfully ignorant, can someone inform wtf TheKyza is??? What has he previously designed?
His name is Khyzyl Saleem and he started by doing digital renderings of modified cars with crazy body kits. He has over 1m followers on Instagram alone, and clearly appeals to a very different audience to PH judging by the comments on here. He works with OEMs on producing marketing imagery, while some of this body kit designs have been made into reality through the "Live to Offend" brand, which gives an insight into what he thinks of those who criticise what he does.Righto, I can see why I’ve now filed this in “bin”.
DeejRC said:
Jon_S_Rally said:
I'm not 100% sure about this. From some angles I quite like it, from others not so much. Will be interesting to see what the real car looks like that's for sure.
So he’s a nobody who has never designed a vehicle then, at best he has designed some body kits.DeejRC said:
For those of us who are blissfully ignorant, can someone inform wtf TheKyza is??? What has he previously designed?
His name is Khyzyl Saleem and he started by doing digital renderings of modified cars with crazy body kits. He has over 1m followers on Instagram alone, and clearly appeals to a very different audience to PH judging by the comments on here. He works with OEMs on producing marketing imagery, while some of this body kit designs have been made into reality through the "Live to Offend" brand, which gives an insight into what he thinks of those who criticise what he does.Righto, I can see why I’ve now filed this in “bin”.
I can't stand most of them but there's no doubt having an army of fans willing to buy your stuff is a very, very good business model.
PurpleTurtle said:
The key point being that the Venn diagram of people with £250k to drop on a sportscar and people lusting over an XJS mated with a Richard Grant bodykit does not number 88 people globally.
Lister only managed to find a market for 90 Le Man cars when they were a) more current and b) starting from a considerably more well developed base vehicle.
https://www.lister.com/le-mans
But back when all the folk with a spare 250 washing about fit in a Rolodex though. 1000x more folk out there now and spread further afield than just the U.K., US and ME. Plus, this one might work. Lister only managed to find a market for 90 Le Man cars when they were a) more current and b) starting from a considerably more well developed base vehicle.
https://www.lister.com/le-mans
humphra said:
I don't like the design, but then it might work! It got me thinking about the Alfa Romeo SZ - not that they look similar, but how the design jarred when first released, yet now its highly valued. Maybe the same will be said of this in years to come??
Now you’ve said that I’ve got to fess up. I love this TWR - I think it looks amazing! I also have an SZ 
Seems like I'm alone in thinking the price seems worryingly low.
Not in a "I throw this amount around on a Tuesday night way", but that most decent retromods are way more.
TWR and Magnus are going to want a cut. Plus there is presumably a pr agency being paid to get the story out there and so on.
I suspect that if any are made there may be some authentic British Leyland intracies.
Not in a "I throw this amount around on a Tuesday night way", but that most decent retromods are way more.
TWR and Magnus are going to want a cut. Plus there is presumably a pr agency being paid to get the story out there and so on.
I suspect that if any are made there may be some authentic British Leyland intracies.
solopb said:
SORRY, MUST try harder, 1980s Body kits dont cut it today, Small less angular kits with discrete spoilers
You might want to look up the likes of Liberty Walk and RWB. Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it isn't popular with a different group of people. DeejRC said:
So he’s a nobody who has never designed a vehicle then, at best he has designed some body kits.
Righto, I can see why I’ve now filed this in “bin”.
Out of interest, how does your automotive CV compare?Righto, I can see why I’ve now filed this in “bin”.
A lot of what he does isn't to my taste, but you can't say that he is a "nobody" when he has such a large following, even more so given the topic of the article. If he was a "nobody", I'm not sure he would be collaborating with such influential names as TWR and Magnus Walker.
He very clearly isn't a nobody, he just operates in a space that's outside your personal taste, which is absolutely fine.
Jon_S_Rally said:
solopb said:
SORRY, MUST try harder, 1980s Body kits dont cut it today, Small less angular kits with discrete spoilers
You might want to look up the likes of Liberty Walk and RWB. Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it isn't popular with a different group of people. DeejRC said:
So he’s a nobody who has never designed a vehicle then, at best he has designed some body kits.
Righto, I can see why I’ve now filed this in “bin”.
Out of interest, how does your automotive CV compare?Righto, I can see why I’ve now filed this in “bin”.
A lot of what he does isn't to my taste, but you can't say that he is a "nobody" when he has such a large following, even more so given the topic of the article. If he was a "nobody", I'm not sure he would be collaborating with such influential names as TWR and Magnus Walker.
He very clearly isn't a nobody, he just operates in a space that's outside your personal taste, which is absolutely fine.
sato said:
Seems like I'm alone in thinking the price seems worryingly low.
Not in a "I throw this amount around on a Tuesday night way", but that most decent retromods are way more.
TWR and Magnus are going to want a cut. Plus there is presumably a pr agency being paid to get the story out there and so on.
I suspect that if any are made there may be some authentic British Leyland intracies.
To be honest, those were my thoughts. Not in a "I throw this amount around on a Tuesday night way", but that most decent retromods are way more.
TWR and Magnus are going to want a cut. Plus there is presumably a pr agency being paid to get the story out there and so on.
I suspect that if any are made there may be some authentic British Leyland intracies.
Donors are cheap though. Resto cost will be high, there's the body kit to glue on and the interior to retrim and add random modern bling from spearmint rhino to. The Jag V12s cost a fair whack. And each firm supplying those services will be invoicing with their profit requirements embedded. And given you've got three sticking fingers in at the offing, £225 in this day and age seems quite low.
I like the look of the car. I've always liked the XJS. It's not just a pretty car but it saved the world from the abject pain of the E Types prolonged and drawn out demise and allowed Jaguar to move on with its life. On a couple of occasions I have gone to bid on or buy a Lister Storm but each time just found a plastic bodykit holding a collection of ferrous oxide molecules temporarily in place.
Now I tend to look at these things from a financial perspective and when I was starting out my then boss told me to always be on the look out for round numbers as they were robust early indicator that the people across the table were monkeys. So out of habit I'll always do things like multiply the number of units by the asking. 225 was already a bit suspect as it's often the first stop after a random thought that £200k might be a nice price. Anyway, 225 x 88 is £20m. You can't get a much more round number than that. Obviously it can sometimes be coincidence but more often than not it has come about because someone has just thought up a round number that sounds about right and divies out to all involved sufficiently.
Then there is the family name. No sane person would have anything to do with that name such is it's robust track record in the world of bizniz. It's very harsh to judge a descendent on the character of their forefather but expressions don't come out of thin air but due to statistics, hence why we have saying such as 'apples not falling far from trees'. You'd really want to do some due diligence before sending a penny.
And why are they claiming tens of thousands of hours of wind tunnel testing, CFD and proving grounds? There are only 9000 hours in a year. 5000 is a working year so tens of thousands implies a minimum of 4 years constant work on the supercat. I don't believe that. To me the remark could have been the sort of thing a kid says.
And then there is the 'crack team'. Experience in F1 but not just that McLaren, Ferrari and Porsche. The implication here is that on top of him, Magnus and picture drawer chap there's a team of pros with an enormous depth of experience in motorsport and top flight marques. But the childish way this is written with the use of the word 'crack' does ping the monkey radar. The project doesn't really have the funding at this stage to have a team of top professionals on the books so maybe this is a bit of PR spin. So maybe, it's just one bloke who has done some work for a few of the top teams in F1. What sort of work? Well, to be honest, they could have been anything from the char lady up so one is best to probably assume that bit of the article is b
ks until proven otherwise. And just DDing the figurehead, he doesn't look to have much experience or any kind of track record of success and strangely in this day and age hasn't managed to create any kind of following. So he's not leaping out as someone charismatic, charming and driven who you'd risk money on.
I like the look of the car but behind the PR it triggers multiple Mickey Mouse signals so I'll wait to see 89th car from the company.
Jon_S_Rally said:
His name is Khyzyl Saleem and he started by doing digital renderings of modified cars with crazy body kits. He has over 1m followers on Instagram alone, and clearly appeals to a very different audience to PH judging by the comments on here. He works with OEMs on producing marketing imagery, while some of this body kit designs have been made into reality through the "Live to Offend" brand, which gives an insight into what he thinks of those who criticise what he does.
The vast majority of which will be spotty faced 14 year olds living at home with their parents, and who haven’t got £250 to spend on Just Eat, let alone £250k on this hideous monstrosity.So to those that do actually have £250k to spend on their automotive dream, he is indeed a nobody.
Slippydiff said:
The vast majority of which will be spotty faced 14 year olds living at home with their parents, and who haven’t got £250 to spend on Just Eat, let alone £250k on this hideous monstrosity.
So to those that do actually have £250k to spend on their automotive dream, he is indeed a nobody.
Isn't that the norm for social media channels? So to those that do actually have £250k to spend on their automotive dream, he is indeed a nobody.
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