UK opts out of (mandatory) intelligent speed assist?

[DickP]

Hi,

Just seen some comments about the UK opting out of the EU mandatory requirement for intelligent speed limiters in new cars. Struggling to find any sources apart from one or two news sites. Is this true?

[Terminator X]

Interesting as ste legislation imho. Not fit for purpose.

TX.

[Jader1973]

DickP said:

Hi,

Just seen some comments about the UK opting out of the EU mandatory requirement for intelligent speed limiters in new cars. Struggling to find any sources apart from one or two news sites. Is this true?

Unless the UK makes it illegal to have it then I suspect cars will have it anyway.

Manufacturers will engineer one system and just fit it to everything, rather than create a unique UK spec.

[Geffg]

Imagine how much money government / police / councils would lose if every car stuck to the speed limits

[ITP]

Jader1973 said:

DickP said:

Hi,

Just seen some comments about the UK opting out of the EU mandatory requirement for intelligent speed limiters in new cars. Struggling to find any sources apart from one or two news sites. Is this true?

Unless the UK makes it illegal to have it then I suspect cars will have it anyway.

Manufacturers will engineer one system and just fit it to everything, rather than create a unique UK spec.

This will be the case. Lots of new cars already have it before the July 2024 deadline. You only have to watch many YouTube car reviewers who have to turn it all off as its default on every time car is started. This is a pain having to turn it off all the time but of course the real risk is that all it will take is an ‘over the air’ update to remove the option to turn it all off. Your car then becomes so frustrating it is almost undriveable and you’ll just want to sell it.

[Baldchap]

Jader1973 said:

DickP said:

Hi,

Just seen some comments about the UK opting out of the EU mandatory requirement for intelligent speed limiters in new cars. Struggling to find any sources apart from one or two news sites. Is this true?

Unless the UK makes it illegal to have it then I suspect cars will have it anyway.

Manufacturers will engineer one system and just fit it to everything, rather than create a unique UK spec.

It's a software setting, like LHD Vs RHD for headlights and lane assist.

I'd imagine if it isn't legislation, they won't impose it on us. Cars are engineered for the whole world these days, not just Europe.

[FMOB]

Geffg said:

Imagine how much money government / police / councils would lose if every car stuck to the speed limits

The country would just be more bankrupt, doubt anyone would notice.

[Mr Tidy]

FMOB said:

Geffg said:

Imagine how much money government / police / councils would lose if every car stuck to the speed limits

The country would just be more bankrupt, doubt anyone would notice.

[Evanivitch]

Geffg said:

Imagine how much money government / police / councils would lose if every car stuck to the speed limits

All speeding ticket money goes to Treasury...

[dcb]

Geffg said:

Imagine how much money government / police / councils would lose if every car stuck to the speed limits

2.4 million speeding tickets a year @ £100 a go is £240 million a year.
Quite a few quid.

To say nothing of the extra time it would take to get anywhere.
National average wage is about £20 an hour. Do an average week's
driving in an hour's less time, and you are £20 per week up.

It really is all about the revenue. Putting speed cameras on the safest
roads, the motorways, is proof of that.

[RazerSauber]

At least you could legally have it disabled by default. I assume it'll be a dealer level software change that some remapping style places would be able to crack. Shouldn't be that hard if it bothers you so much.

[Decky_Q]

Dot of tape over the camera would turn it off pretty well too.

[Debaser]

I hope so, it's awful and isn't fit for purpose.

[Crudeoink]

Cars like the combustion powered 718 Boxster and Cayman are being discontinued in the EU from July 2024 because of these laws (including cyber security laws) that Porsche deem aren't worth meeting with models lines at the end of their life. As the UK haven't adopted these laws the combustion powered 718 models will still be available in the UK after July 2024

[cptsideways]

I think persistent beeping at every limit change is enough to warrant a handback for many customers.

Dreadful system poorly implemented obviously the designers/suppliers have good lobbying abilities in the European parliament.

[Deranged Rover]

ITP said:

This will be the case. Lots of new cars already have it before the July 2024 deadline. You only have to watch many YouTube car reviewers who have to turn it all off as its default on every time car is started. This is a pain having to turn it off all the time but of course the real risk is that all it will take is an ‘over the air’ update to remove the option to turn it all off. Your car then becomes so frustrating it is almost undriveable and you’ll just want to sell it.

Jeremy Clarkson reviewed the new Mazda 3 saloon the week before last in the Sunday Times and one of the many things he mentioned was that it had a button by his knee that turned off all the new compulsory nannying nonsense.

If Mazda can do it, I'm sure other manufacturers can.

[Nomme de Plum]

dcb said:

Geffg said:

Imagine how much money government / police / councils would lose if every car stuck to the speed limits

2.4 million speeding tickets a year @ £100 a go is £240 million a year.
Quite a few quid.

To say nothing of the extra time it would take to get anywhere.
National average wage is about £20 an hour. Do an average week's
driving in an hour's less time, and you are £20 per week up.

It really is all about the revenue. Putting speed cameras on the safest
roads, the motorways, is proof of that.

It is a minuscule amount in comparison to the £2.27 trillion (million, million) GDP the UK has.

That percentage reduces even further when the administration overhead costs are taken into account.

[Debaser]

Deranged Rover said:

Jeremy Clarkson reviewed the new Mazda 3 saloon the week before last in the Sunday Times and one of the many things he mentioned was that it had a button by his knee that turned off all the new compulsory nannying nonsense.

If Mazda can do it, I'm sure other manufacturers can.

I believe the legislation also requires a minimum number of steps to switch off the systems, so in future a simple button press won't be allowed.

[Super Sonic]

Decky_Q said:

Dot of tape over the camera would turn it off pretty well too.

Do you think it would use a camera?

[andy43]

Debaser said:

Deranged Rover said:

Jeremy Clarkson reviewed the new Mazda 3 saloon the week before last in the Sunday Times and one of the many things he mentioned was that it had a button by his knee that turned off all the new compulsory nannying nonsense.

If Mazda can do it, I'm sure other manufacturers can.

I believe the legislation also requires a minimum number of steps to switch off the systems, so in future a simple button press won't be allowed.

I love lane keep and adaptive cruise when it works ie when it knows there’s an adult in the room and it allows the adult to make the final decision.
Beeps and bongs from a Nanny on drugs can fk off.
I simply wouldn’t buy a car that distracts like that with no simple means of turning it off.
Having driven cars that use sign recognition and flash up what they think is the limit on the dash it doesn’t work anyway. Combine it with satnav and a very up to date database and it might work properly, but the current ‘read a random sign and go with that as the limit’ is not fit for purpose.