UK opts out of (mandatory) intelligent speed assist?

[andy43]

Super Sonic said:

Decky_Q said:

Dot of tape over the camera would turn it off pretty well too.

Do you think it would use a camera?

Speed limit recognition on the cars I’ve had it on must do. A truck with a 50 sticker will fool it, and if it doesn’t spot a sign and just gives me a ‘- -‘ on the dash I'm assuming I’ll be legally able to hit Vmax with impunity?

[aturnick54]

DickP said:

Hi,

Just seen some comments about the UK opting out of the EU mandatory requirement for intelligent speed limiters in new cars. Struggling to find any sources apart from one or two news sites. Is this true?

Finally a single benefit to Brexit has been found.

[Matthen]

I've seen a widget advertised on Facebook that auto disables start stop - won't be long before there's one for this.

It's a little circuit that sits between the switch and wiring loom; no doubt simulates a button press.

Depressing the way things are going in the motoring world.

[Nomme de Plum]

Matthen said:

I've seen a widget advertised on Facebook that auto disables start stop - won't be long before there's one for this.

It's a little circuit that sits between the switch and wiring loom; no doubt simulates a button press.

Depressing the way things are going in the motoring world.

EVs do not require such gimmicks.

[rodericb]

Nomme de Plum said:

EVs do not require such gimmicks.

Yep, the slower you go the safer you are!

[aturnick54]

Matthen said:

I've seen a widget advertised on Facebook that auto disables start stop - won't be long before there's one for this.

It's a little circuit that sits between the switch and wiring loom; no doubt simulates a button press.

Depressing the way things are going in the motoring world.

On most cars you can disable start/stop anyway using tools such as BimmerCode, Carista, OBDEleven

[Nomme de Plum]

rodericb said:

Nomme de Plum said:

EVs do not require such gimmicks.

Yep, the slower you go the safer you are!

Possibly true but my Taycan shows most cars a clean air of heals when I so choose.

[fatjon]

DickP said:

Hi,

Just seen some comments about the UK opting out of the EU mandatory requirement for intelligent speed limiters in new cars. Struggling to find any sources apart from one or two news sites. Is this true?

I think it’s “assist” not limit. Just bongs vibrates and nanny's the living st out of you rather than limiting. They wouldn’t want either in the UK as revenue would drop.

[TikTak]

fatjon said:

DickP said:

Hi,

Just seen some comments about the UK opting out of the EU mandatory requirement for intelligent speed limiters in new cars. Struggling to find any sources apart from one or two news sites. Is this true?

I think it’s “assist” not limit. Just bongs vibrates and nanny's the living st out of you rather than limiting. They wouldn’t want either in the UK as revenue would drop.

I believe that if you continue past the first couple of irritation phases, the cars then backs off for you.

Isn't this mandatory in the EU meaning it's be illegal at some point to turn it off? I guess so many cars don't have it so ...

Just another thing in the settings of rentals I'll have to turn off, along with all the beeps, bongs and assists.

[Otispunkmeyer]

Baldchap said:

Jader1973 said:

DickP said:

Hi,

Just seen some comments about the UK opting out of the EU mandatory requirement for intelligent speed limiters in new cars. Struggling to find any sources apart from one or two news sites. Is this true?

Unless the UK makes it illegal to have it then I suspect cars will have it anyway.

Manufacturers will engineer one system and just fit it to everything, rather than create a unique UK spec.

It's a software setting, like LHD Vs RHD for headlights and lane assist.

I'd imagine if it isn't legislation, they won't impose it on us. Cars are engineered for the whole world these days, not just Europe.

Yeah all software. My car can do this right now on the motorways if you tell it to. Set the cruise on the M1 and whenever the overhead gantry starts showing different speeds like 60 or 50 the car will read that and re-set the speed of the cruise for you automatically.

It does sometimes get confused though. Like the time it read the "90" off the back of a lorry trailer (the stickers that show the speeds for the truck in km/h) and then set the cruise to 90 mph!

[fatjon]

TikTak said:

I believe that if you continue past the first couple of irritation phases, the cars then backs off for you.

Isn't this mandatory in the EU meaning it's be illegal at some point to turn it off? I guess so many cars don't have it so ...

Just another thing in the settings of rentals I'll have to turn off, along with all the beeps, bongs and assists.

Kind of but not quite. But no doubt they will go the whole hog soon enough. This seems a bit contradictory;

“ Depending on the make and model of the car, this will be done either by reducing the power available and/or by exerting a counter-thrust on the accelerator pedal. The car will then push the driver’s foot gently back to make the driver aware and help to slow down.

Europe is imposing this system to reduce accidents caused by excessive speed. If the ISA becomes commonplace, it could reduce road accidents by 30% and fatalities by 20%, the Commission has said.

Concerns and drawbacks

However, these interventions can, for safety reasons, always be overridden by the driver by pushing the accelerator a little further, raising questions about the system's effectiveness. Drivers can also switch off the system, but it will automatically reactivate the next time the vehicle is restarted since the system is connected to the ignition.”

[Funk]

Geffg said:

Imagine how much money government / police / councils would lose if every car stuck to the speed limits

This. Follow the money.

[stumpage]

Of course the UK will need to opt out otherwise it would need to clean all the speed signs, cut away the foliage covering them, position them correctly so that the car only read the sign for the road you're on etc.

[Sixsixtysix]

Nomme de Plum said:

Matthen said:

I've seen a widget advertised on Facebook that auto disables start stop - won't be long before there's one for this.

It's a little circuit that sits between the switch and wiring loom; no doubt simulates a button press.

Depressing the way things are going in the motoring world.

EVs do not require such gimmicks.

Have you seen the gimmicks in a Tesla?

[Sixsixtysix]

Nomme de Plum said:

rodericb said:

Nomme de Plum said:

EVs do not require such gimmicks.

Yep, the slower you go the safer you are!

Possibly true but my Taycan shows most cars a clean air of heals when I so choose.

Is it as fast as the depreciation on your Taycan? And it's "heels" btw.

[Nomme de Plum]

Sixsixtysix said:

Nomme de Plum said:

rodericb said:

Nomme de Plum said:

EVs do not require such gimmicks.

Yep, the slower you go the safer you are!

Possibly true but my Taycan shows most cars a clean air of heals when I so choose.

Is it as fast as the depreciation on your Taycan?

Perhaps you should look here.

https://www.cargurus.co.uk/Cars/inventorylisting/v...


The cheapest ones currently on the market are mid £40K for a 2020 car that retailed for £85K |+ options. For a 3.5 year old car that's bang on the money in my book but then I've had loads of cars over the last 53 years so have a pretty good idea how depreciation works. Not that I'm that bothered. If money comes in quicker than it goes out why should i care.

[Biggy Stardust]

Evanivitch said:

All speeding ticket money goes to Treasury...

All SAC course fees & similar goes to the nice chaps in the vans.

[Nomme de Plum]

Sixsixtysix said:

Have you seen the gimmicks in a Tesla?

Examples please. I'm not telepathic.

[TikTak]

fatjon said:

TikTak said:

I believe that if you continue past the first couple of irritation phases, the cars then backs off for you.

Isn't this mandatory in the EU meaning it's be illegal at some point to turn it off? I guess so many cars don't have it so ...

Just another thing in the settings of rentals I'll have to turn off, along with all the beeps, bongs and assists.

Kind of but not quite. But no doubt they will go the whole hog soon enough. This seems a bit contradictory;

“ Depending on the make and model of the car, this will be done either by reducing the power available and/or by exerting a counter-thrust on the accelerator pedal. The car will then push the driver’s foot gently back to make the driver aware and help to slow down.

Europe is imposing this system to reduce accidents caused by excessive speed. If the ISA becomes commonplace, it could reduce road accidents by 30% and fatalities by 20%, the Commission has said.

Concerns and drawbacks

However, these interventions can, for safety reasons, always be overridden by the driver by pushing the accelerator a little further, raising questions about the system's effectiveness. Drivers can also switch off the system, but it will automatically reactivate the next time the vehicle is restarted since the system is connected to the ignition.”

Appreciate that post. Good work.

"exerting a counter-thrust on the accelerator pedal" sounds awful. I rented an i30 in Melbourne and fighting the lane assist in that was unnerving (it too can only be disabled per drive so you usually forget next time out) and in some cases just stupid as it pushes you towards cars.

Would not want to be fighting the steering and the accelerator at the same time.

[andy43]

Nomme de Plum said:

Sixsixtysix said:

Have you seen the gimmicks in a Tesla?

Examples please. I'm not telepathic.

Farts. Real ones, not Golf R ones.
Or space age brum brum noises if it’s a Taycan.