RE: Ineos Grenadier Commercial on sale now
Discussion
Macboy said:
So is this one VAT reclaimable because the Utility wagon never was due to excessive weight and a sub 1000kg payload. There would have been no need for this if they'd engineered it to original spec in the first place (it was meant to be VAT reclaimable) or had known how to deal with HMRC which they clearly didn't. Or am I missing something crucial?
I think this is just an HMRC-pleasing variant of the 2-seat utility wagon. Seat and seatbelt mountings removed, no windows allowed, but no change to payload.Defender hardtop gets similar leeway, AIUI.
[/quote] £52 grand ex VAT for a commercial vehicle that wants to compete with pickups and 4x4 vans is hilarious. They're going to sell about 3.
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3 a week maybe... I'm about to spend that and more on a Defender Commercial as I need space for tools, something that tows well, can do a bit of distance in comfort and looks snazzy By the time you get the D300 engine, nice alloys and a few toys inside, a Defender Commercial can be north of £70K + VAT. - chase any new "in stock"ones at dealers and they sell if you're not quick. Coming from a HiLux double cab, the extra cost will be worth it.
DaveyBoyWonder said:
See, I go fishing too and I've never once in the 30+ years of doing it thought that needed a vehicle like that to get me to where I wanted to fish?
I've been doing it a few years more than that. What type of fishing do you do ? It's easy to park a car in the pic above in dry conditions, not so much in winter, particularly a sodden wet one like we have just had.
Sometimes the tracks i use aren't the best for a car either
Edited by wc98 on Thursday 2nd May 20:53
AmazingGrace said:
How much do you think vans etc sell for new?
£65k for a specced up Ford Custom double cab…..
Which carries more stuff and has a row of seats in the back. £65k for a specced up Ford Custom double cab…..
It’s a transit connect in terms of payload weight with slightly larger load space in volume terms. The lower floor of the transit makes getting a pallet in somewhat easier or anything really bulky for that matter.
Double cab pickups are more practical as a passenger + some cargo / tool carriers and obviously panel vans if want to carry a lot of payload.
I’m struggling to see the market for these TBH. The non commercial version is “posher” as a posing wagon and of course a defender is much nicer. A Land Cruiser or Jimmy cheaper and realistically more reliable.
WY86 said:
I kind of get the commercial Defender for an owner of a posh bakery or flower shop in Kensington or Chelsea. However this INEOS is a bit too commercial in appearance which I suspect it's intended buyers would be better suited to a van or pick up.
I agree, but only to an extent. I have noticed a few up market plumbers and ‘ craftsman’ joiners using the current Defender van.. One in a lovely shade of green. Also saw just today a car restorer’s new Defender van, so not a nostalgia fest! These Grenadiers will sell. Incidentally, most cars are silly prices now.Edited by Lester H on Saturday 4th May 16:35
I know several people who use disco 4 or 5 commercials. A guy who runs a garage, a forester, a variety of farmers / land owners / agri contractors. Much more capable than any 4wd van, great at towing and more secure for storing stuff than a double cab.
There is definitely a market for them, perhaps a small one here but the uk is a small target market for Ineos anyway. They are selling well in the US, South Africa and Australia where I’m sure this version and the new chassis cab will be very popular.
There is definitely a market for them, perhaps a small one here but the uk is a small target market for Ineos anyway. They are selling well in the US, South Africa and Australia where I’m sure this version and the new chassis cab will be very popular.
Lefty said:
They are selling well in the US, South Africa and Australia where I’m sure this version and the new chassis cab will be very popular.
But "this version" seems to be purely to please HMRC, unless they've fallen foul of the same VAT problem in other markets. It's effectively identical to the outgoing 2-seat utility wagon, minus seat anchors.Macboy said:
So is this one VAT reclaimable because the Utility wagon never was due to excessive weight and a sub 1000kg payload. There would have been no need for this if they'd engineered it to original spec in the first place (it was meant to be VAT reclaimable) or had known how to deal with HMRC which they clearly didn't. Or am I missing something crucial?
German engineering: Add weight and complicate.If they’ve made it impossible to retrofit rear seats it is a bit daft-the whole point of a defender hard top is the ability to do so and run your £70k+ 4x4 through the books and reduce your tax liabilities.
The market is absolutely there however, I and a few folk I know use them as intended. Mine rarely has the rear seats deployed so it’s still a three seat van most of the time, in the last week it’s towed a mini digger and cherry picker off road, carried tools and a generator inside.
Tomorrow it’ll be another digger and one ton dumper and then on the evening six of us will jump in it to go out for dinner.
A genuine do it all machine.
If I couldn’t have retro fitted the rear seats however (which is fully compliment with road rules and HMRC) I wouldn’t have bought it and would have stuck with a twin cab pickup.
The market is absolutely there however, I and a few folk I know use them as intended. Mine rarely has the rear seats deployed so it’s still a three seat van most of the time, in the last week it’s towed a mini digger and cherry picker off road, carried tools and a generator inside.
Tomorrow it’ll be another digger and one ton dumper and then on the evening six of us will jump in it to go out for dinner.
A genuine do it all machine.
If I couldn’t have retro fitted the rear seats however (which is fully compliment with road rules and HMRC) I wouldn’t have bought it and would have stuck with a twin cab pickup.
Tam_Mullen said:
The non-commercial ones are seriously popular around where I live. I expect these are going to be just as popular. And as others have said I bet theres a handy DIY Bulkhead removal and rear seat pack coming along any time soon.
Yep. After all, the more mature amongst us used to crawl under family cars to fit baby seats. Some, with light vans just put the kids in the back!Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff