Unpopular opinion: The GMA T.50 is a overhyped and ugly
Discussion
Is it overhyped by the people that are dropping £xM on one to get their money back as soon as they take delivery and a little extra for them being allowed on the list? If I were gifted a trip to Spain to drive the car over 3 days and possibly a private jet to get me there and back with staying in a nice hotel not at your own expense I doubt I'd be slagging it off too.....
I know a few soon-to-be owners who will keep the car to either use it as an investment or actually use it, a lot, and know of others who will laud it for its capabilities whilst getting nowhere near its limits then selling it once the hype dies down, but that original hype will keep their 'investment' £ and make some back at sale time.
For me, the car has some good angles, the rear not being one. I like the fact its got 3 [tight] seats, a manual 'box and a NA V12, and the noise going through those gears is cool , but comparing it to an F1 other than that is too soon to call.
7.5/10 for me, for now.
I know a few soon-to-be owners who will keep the car to either use it as an investment or actually use it, a lot, and know of others who will laud it for its capabilities whilst getting nowhere near its limits then selling it once the hype dies down, but that original hype will keep their 'investment' £ and make some back at sale time.
For me, the car has some good angles, the rear not being one. I like the fact its got 3 [tight] seats, a manual 'box and a NA V12, and the noise going through those gears is cool , but comparing it to an F1 other than that is too soon to call.
7.5/10 for me, for now.
hurstg01 said:
If I were gifted a trip to Spain to drive the car over 3 days and possibly a private jet to get me there and back with staying in a nice hotel not at your own expense I doubt I'd be slagging it off too.....
I suspect anyone buying one if these will pick one of their own private jets to go in, and will stay in one of the hotels they own. I like it but I can see why others wouldn't. It has probably helped me appreciate Murray more, even if just because more exposure of his past.
I'm interested to see how much space there is for two adult passengers. On videos it has looked quite tight with the driver's arms relatively close to the passenger's leg. It could be a bit of a waste over just one more roomy passenger space if it is all a compromise. One angle can appear very different to another though, so maybe it's absolutely fine.
I'm interested to see how much space there is for two adult passengers. On videos it has looked quite tight with the driver's arms relatively close to the passenger's leg. It could be a bit of a waste over just one more roomy passenger space if it is all a compromise. One angle can appear very different to another though, so maybe it's absolutely fine.
Much as I admire the engineering in the GMA, the issue I have with it is a road going supercar should be flamboyant, outrageous and drop dead gorgeous. Ultimate performance is irrelevant in the road so that’s all they have really. The t.50 lacks the appeal of a Pagani or La Ferrari in that even if it’s ultimately a better engineered car with great heritage (ie Gordon Murray designed it.) its performance in the real world is not going to be measurably different to a 296GTB surely.
If you want ultimate performance then you want a track car and you don’t need to look any further than a whole raft of GT and LMP cars that are far more purposeful and focussed than the GMA, and that’s even before you get to single seaters.
So what’s it for? A few owners only track events at Goodwood?
If you want ultimate performance then you want a track car and you don’t need to look any further than a whole raft of GT and LMP cars that are far more purposeful and focussed than the GMA, and that’s even before you get to single seaters.
So what’s it for? A few owners only track events at Goodwood?
740EVTORQUES said:
Much as I admire the engineering in the GMA, the issue I have with it is a road going supercar should be flamboyant, outrageous and drop dead gorgeous. Ultimate performance is irrelevant in the road so that’s all they have really. The t.50 lacks the appeal of a Pagani or La Ferrari in that even if it’s ultimately a better engineered car with great heritage (ie Gordon Murray designed it.) its performance in the real world is not going to be measurably different to a 296GTB surely.
If you want ultimate performance then you want a track car and you don’t need to look any further than a whole raft of GT and LMP cars that are far more purposeful and focussed than the GMA, and that’s even before you get to single seaters.
So what’s it for? A few owners only track events at Goodwood?
It doesn't lack anything other than a badge, but that doesn't matter a toss in the arena of hyprecar. owners. Since when has an LMP car been road registered If you want ultimate performance then you want a track car and you don’t need to look any further than a whole raft of GT and LMP cars that are far more purposeful and focussed than the GMA, and that’s even before you get to single seaters.
So what’s it for? A few owners only track events at Goodwood?
At least you never mentioned EV 
740EVTORQUES said:
Much as I admire the engineering in the GMA, the issue I have with it is a road going supercar should be flamboyant, outrageous and drop dead gorgeous. Ultimate performance is irrelevant in the road so that’s all they have really. The t.50 lacks the appeal of a Pagani or La Ferrari in that even if it’s ultimately a better engineered car with great heritage (ie Gordon Murray designed it.) its performance in the real world is not going to be measurably different to a 296GTB surely.
If you want ultimate performance then you want a track car and you don’t need to look any further than a whole raft of GT and LMP cars that are far more purposeful and focussed than the GMA, and that’s even before you get to single seaters.
So what’s it for? A few owners only track events at Goodwood?
Sure, a 296GTB is probably as quick or quicker, but the subjective experience of that performance will be quite different.If you want ultimate performance then you want a track car and you don’t need to look any further than a whole raft of GT and LMP cars that are far more purposeful and focussed than the GMA, and that’s even before you get to single seaters.
So what’s it for? A few owners only track events at Goodwood?
The T.50 has a normally aspirated V12 vs a turbo-hybrid V6, so the sound, response and power curve will be very different. The T.50 comes with a manual gearbox so you can enjoy heel and toe downchanges, vs the paddleshift Ferrari's flexibility to change gear mid-corner. The T.50 will likely also move around a little more, and I'd hope it will have lower geared and more natural steering. It's also a bit over 10cm narrower than the 1.96m wide Ferrari. The GMA is also two thirds the weight which is a huge difference and will surely be felt on the road.
If you appreciate driving a car beyond simply the sheer weight of performance it offers, I think either GMA car would feel very different and special.
My problem with almost all hypercars is that they are a triumph of drama over useability. Too wide too low too impractical for most journeys. The T50 or T33 aren't and as a result are probably the only hypercars I would consider if I had the funds to contemplate something like that.
That said I do think the T50 is ugly from the rear and, though the technology is interesting, I'm not convinced it will make it more fun to drive - good to impress your rich mates perhaps. I'd choose the T33 over it every time.
That said I do think the T50 is ugly from the rear and, though the technology is interesting, I'm not convinced it will make it more fun to drive - good to impress your rich mates perhaps. I'd choose the T33 over it every time.
Edited by bcr5784 on Thursday 2nd May 19:39
bcr5784 said:
My problem with almost all hypercars is that they are a triumph of drama over useability. Too wide too low too impractical for most journeys. The T50 or T33 aren't and as a result are probably the only hypercars I would consider if I had the funds to contemplate something like that.
That said I do think the T50 is ugly from the rear and, though the technology is interesting, I'm not convinced it will make it more fun to drive - good to impress your rich mates perhaps. I'd choose the T33 over it every time.
The point though is top trumps, and the T50 is that. That said I do think the T50 is ugly from the rear and, though the technology is interesting, I'm not convinced it will make it more fun to drive - good to impress your rich mates perhaps. I'd choose the T33 over it every time.
Edited by bcr5784 on Thursday 2nd May 19:39
carlo996 said:
It doesn't lack anything other than a badge, but that doesn't matter a toss in the arena of hyprecar. owners. Since when has an LMP car been road registered At least you never mentioned EV
Plenty have done it with mixed results. Lanzante P1 GTR, Porsche 962. Though often what makes a race car so great on track doesn’t transmit well to a road car. At least you never mentioned EV hi everyone, here is my opinion. I guess it won't be too unrealistic. Unfortunately, I am weak in writing English. Rarity. The design is in a way as it should be. It is a car for drivers, not for breaking necks as some like to say. In my opinion, a car with a central position can have everything as well as a car with a side position. As for technology. But it is different because it offers some special features that you can only have when you are in the center.
1. Murray says that the best sound comes from the air intake and when you are in the center it is above your head. It's great that the sound depends only on how hard you press the pedal.
2. When you are in the center, leaning more in turns does not transfer unpleasant forces to the driver. Just a sense of control, information about what's going on with the car and it's fun.
3. I think that when you have weight in the center, you can feel it while driving. Here the 70, 80, 90 kg driver is placed in the center which is a good percentage of the car's weight.
4. Someone mentioned the Pagani interior. Here it looks to me like the interior goes around the driver, which I don't think I would trade for any glamour.
5. Placement of the pedals, the windshield seems bigger, a different view of the outside.
6. I assume excellent visibility. You can see from afar whether you are passing within a millimeter, the road under the car, an excellent side view and the screens showing the image from the cameras are in sight.
7. I almost forgot about the fan. It gives downforce in the center which is great. I didn't understand how lower speed affects downforce. Does this mean that if the speed is reduced 4 times from 360 to 90 that if the fan is on, the downfoce will be reduced 4 times and not as usual 16 times?
I don't know if it's okay to write so much. And I haven't written yet what I think I don't like about the car and how I think it differs from f1 or speedtail. But maybe it's better to write a lot at once than a hundred times. Thanks and feel free to warn me if I'm exaggerating.
1. Murray says that the best sound comes from the air intake and when you are in the center it is above your head. It's great that the sound depends only on how hard you press the pedal.
2. When you are in the center, leaning more in turns does not transfer unpleasant forces to the driver. Just a sense of control, information about what's going on with the car and it's fun.
3. I think that when you have weight in the center, you can feel it while driving. Here the 70, 80, 90 kg driver is placed in the center which is a good percentage of the car's weight.
4. Someone mentioned the Pagani interior. Here it looks to me like the interior goes around the driver, which I don't think I would trade for any glamour.
5. Placement of the pedals, the windshield seems bigger, a different view of the outside.
6. I assume excellent visibility. You can see from afar whether you are passing within a millimeter, the road under the car, an excellent side view and the screens showing the image from the cameras are in sight.
7. I almost forgot about the fan. It gives downforce in the center which is great. I didn't understand how lower speed affects downforce. Does this mean that if the speed is reduced 4 times from 360 to 90 that if the fan is on, the downfoce will be reduced 4 times and not as usual 16 times?
I don't know if it's okay to write so much. And I haven't written yet what I think I don't like about the car and how I think it differs from f1 or speedtail. But maybe it's better to write a lot at once than a hundred times. Thanks and feel free to warn me if I'm exaggerating.
to finish. I don't like that the car is so loud to the outside. it seems to me that f1 was quieter. I would like it if there weren't those sounds inside when you drive slowly around the city. Of course, the difference between f1 is use and safety. f1 is like a practical car, but it's hot for passengers when it's summer, in the rain you have to be very very very slow, as far as I understand it's unstable at high speed. gma t50 should improve that. maybe I would like it to have a bit more of a gt vibe, but not like a speedtail that seems too gt to me. I like that the car is demanding and that it doesn't have powersteering. fast driving around corners is tiring which has a certain safety aspect because you will quickly return to moderately fast driving. and as far as I understand from the top gear test you feel the speed. it's not like you're going 200 and it feels like 100, which I also like. I imagine a fast ride like when you go to your favorite sport or dance that makes you tired but you can't wait for next Sunday. I think that's it
Edited by alanford on Tuesday 7th May 09:47
I think the failing lies in thinking you can step in the same stream twice - Murray produced what he believed was the ultimate car with the F1, a dream transformed into a compelling reality. Yes, you can point to incremental gains on the T50 but it doesn’t have a visionary genesis. I’d be much more keen on him developing his ideas on streamlining and light weighting production - an area where he might make another exponential leap rather than squandering his undoubted talent on going from revolution to rather studied evolution of what are now branded hypercars.
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