Work place threats

[nikaiyo2]

Ok posting from normal account as I dont really care any more. :P

So bit of a complex and frankly completely stupid situation more fitting to the middle school play ground or a fking soap opera, than blokes in their 50s, but hey ho.

Factory manager threatened by "supervisor" the threat was basically if FM had carried on doing something, one of the supervisors sons had paid people to do in the FM "stab him up." The supervisor had stopped this happening as he was such a good bloke.

To me this is nothing but a thinly veiled childish threat. Am I wrong thinking this?

The FM was behaving in a completely reasonable manner, this is not is in doubt or dispute, the initial event causing this was witnessed.

This is where is gets sticky, FM does not want to take it further.

I feel that the supervisor should be dismissed instantly, gross misconduct, bullying etc etc, I just think this type of behavior has no place in any workplace. I also feel the police should be involved on the off chance that this is real.

I am being over ruled by the other directors into ignoring this. Are they leaving the company open to any consequences?

I presume the FM could go for constructive dismissal?

I am on the verge of handing my notice in over it, would that be constructive dismissal?

Just venting in an anonymous place really and hoping for any advice.

[Sheets Tabuer]

Does the son work there?

Was the supervisor just relaying information? did the FM and the son do something outside of work or is everything happening in work?

[Terminator X]

Threats to stab someone? Not really fit for the workplace is it.

TX.

[nikaiyo2]

Sheets Tabuer said:

Does the son work there?

Was the supervisor just relaying information? did the FM and the son do something outside of work or is everything happening in work?

Yes the son does work here. This all happened 3 or 4 weeks ago, but only just found out now.

There was a fairly minor event between FM and son in the workplace, that was resolved. The son should have been sacked but was just given a final warning. SV then relays info about what was "going to happen."

Dont get me wrong I think its all made up BS, I dont for one second believe they had taken a "hit" out.

My fear is if we dont do something about it and something happens, lets say FM gets beat up outside of work at the weekend, does our inaction open us to liabilities?

[cossy400]

Whilst not taking it further is the FM's choice, surely there's a duties of care to his safety in the work place?

We have a GM and he loves dealing out fear to his subjects.

I've even heard people say well 'I know what he's capable of'

How I laughed and still do. 🤣

[Collectingbrass]

If no action is taken the supervisor will believe they are untouchable and will rapidly become unmanageable. They need to be suspended while the issue is robustly investigated and appropriate disciplinary action taken against all involved. The threats of violence should be reported to Plod, especially the allegation that a crime has been commissioned for payment.

However, it's not my car in the car park.

[Sheets Tabuer]

An employer has specific duties of care to protect staff from violence or threats of violence, yes you could be liable if you don't take action.

I take it you don't have your own HR?

[Countdown]

nikaiyo2 said:

Yes the son does work here. This all happened 3 or 4 weeks ago, but only just found out now.

There was a fairly minor event between FM and son in the workplace, that was resolved. The son should have been sacked but was just given a final warning. SV then relays info about what was "going to happen."

Dont get me wrong I think its all made up BS, I dont for one second believe they had taken a "hit" out.

My fear is if we dont do something about it and something happens, lets say FM gets beat up outside of work at the weekend, does our inaction open us to liabilities?

If it's a fairly minor even why was the son going to get sacked?

Has the FM "stopped" doing whatever he was doing that was going to get him stabbed?

The FM should definitely report it but he's probably worried he won't get backed up and it will make him look a bit powerless/impotent.

[Brainpox]

If it was witnessed, would the witness(es) be interested in taking it further?

[nikaiyo2]

Sheets Tabuer said:

An employer has specific duties of care to protect staff from violence or threats of violence, yes you could be liable if you don't take action.

I take it you don't have your own HR?

No we use an external company who are so incredibly risk averse, they insure us against litigation if we follow their procedures.
The main person wanting to carpet sweep is the person who is authorised to talk to them

[nikaiyo2]

Countdown said:

If it's a fairly minor even why was the son going to get sacked?

Has the FM "stopped" doing whatever he was doing that was going to get him stabbed?

The FM should definitely report it but he's probably worried he won't get backed up and it will make him look a bit powerless/impotent.

He is one of those people who push limits at every opportunity it’s not the first time he has acted like an idiot.
My fairly minor was in relation to putting a “hit” on someone, not really workplace actions.
This time it was calling the FM a “pu**da” & “wan**r” in front of other staff/ customers. (The FM is not gay.) I think most would expect to be dismissed for acting like that?

Sadly “the thing” was dismissing the son, the other directors talked the FM into giving him yet another chance.

I am just at a loss the FM is such a key person.

Thanks for the input guys.

[Sycamore]

Those pushing it aside may feel different if the factory manager offs himself because he's being abused and threatened at work.
Similar happened somewhere I worked. The person in question there didn't want it taken any further either. Dead a month later.

Extreme example, but it happens.

[dontlookdown]

The supervisor sounds like a complete liability who you would be much better off without.

But the same could also be said of your fellow directors, if they really think that sort of behaviour should be tolerated (and in effect condoned) in a company they are responsible for.

[austina35]

This company sounds just like the one I've just left. It couldn't be......

[GuigiaroBertone]

I can't believe you are even asking this- Throw the book at the supervisor. Would be immediate dismissal where I work + police contacted.