Ultra rare mk 1 Escort at upcoming auction

[s m]

Mr Tidy said:

On the subject of Escorts did anyone else see the MK2 RS2000 shed that went for £26,250 in the latest episode of Bangers and Cash and think the world had gone mad?

Not really surprised when I see people will pay 2 million for a pile of fire damaged rust as it’s an old Ferrari

It’s just on a different scale that’s all
Was it one of the bidders old car or some attachment to it perhaps?

I’d probably go for a cheaper one myself if it was in awful condition but presume it was bid up to that price?

[r5kdt]

PAUL.S. said:

There is no 1300 ID for it to be registered as!

The only one officially saying so far its a 1300 shell is the AVO guy that was contacted. Its on an old V5 as a Mexico, DVLA will not issue a new V5 in the current owners name unless the car is confirmed by an expert.

Why don't you go directly to Ford with what you've got? you can e-mail them a copy of the V5, the VIN and some pictures of the car? and then send that to DVLA?

[aeropilot]

r5kdt said:

PAUL.S. said:

There is no 1300 ID for it to be registered as!

The only one officially saying so far its a 1300 shell is the AVO guy that was contacted. Its on an old V5 as a Mexico, DVLA will not issue a new V5 in the current owners name unless the car is confirmed by an expert.

Why don't you go directly to Ford with what you've got? you can e-mail them a copy of the V5, the VIN and some pictures of the car? and then send that to DVLA?

Err......I think you are miss understanding the posts.....no one on here owns the car being discussed (Paul.S certainly doesn't) we are just making comments on the car advert in question.

[aeropilot]

Hoonabator said:

That’s an interesting point, with the availability of new shells now and I believe new shells now only need to be correct spec rather than supplied by the original manufacturer. Is that the way it should be done. No idea how much a new shell is now but with the values of AVO cars maybe it financially possible via insurance payout??

The new shells from MST are about 18k I think.

The trouble is, most people would rather use a rust free or relatively rust free original FoMoCo standard shell imported from the likes of Malta, Cyprus, South Africa or Australia, etc and make the neccessary Type 49 spec changes to that, than use one of those MST shells to rebuild a road car.
The MST shells are fine for comp use (which is what they are really intended for) not so much for a road car restoration.

[TaurusMexico]

r5kdt said:

Why don't you go directly to Ford with what you've got? you can e-mail them a copy of the V5, the VIN and some pictures of the car? and then send that to DVLA?

I very much doubt that Ford would be of any use in the process as they don't have anyone there any more who would be any more knowledgable that the Clubs. Pretty much the best they could do (if anything) is confirm that the details on a VIN plate relate to a particular model/year/variant which doesn't take things any further in terms of "authenticating"

Sadly having a VIN plate doesn't make it a genuine car....as Peter Williams (AVO Cub Chairman at the time) always said....you could rivet the plate to a cheiftan tank....but that wouldn't make the tank a Mexico !! I appreciate that's an extreme example but the same applies if you rivet the plate to a 1300 Escort Shell.

Reshelling has always been a bit "problematic" when it comes to authenticating the cars. Fortunately most of the attempts to re-create a correct AVO Spec Type 49 shell from one of the lesser models (wherever sourced) tend to be fairly easy to spot as they miss some of the less well known "mods". That's why the DVLA rely on knowledge within Clubs (such as the AVO Club) which has been built up over many years rather than internet "experts"

When the values of the cars were less it really wasn't quite such the issue that it is now. Sadly with the increase in value the incentive to try and pass cars off as genuine is much greater and as a result we see more and more threads like this where someone who has, in good faith, bought what they believe to be a genuine car only to find out that all is not quite as it seems to be.

[aeropilot]

TaurusMexico said:

Sadly having a VIN plate doesn't make it a genuine car....as Peter Williams (AVO Cub Chairman at the time) always said....you could rivet the plate to a cheiftan tank....but that wouldn't make the tank a Mexico !!

Aah, dear old Pete W (and Shelia) - happy days, long ago.

[I-am-the-reverend]

Apologies if this is a repost:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-R35u-exLg


The turbocharged Essex was supposedly a nice unit in a Granada. Not sure about a Cortina Mark III though.

[Mikebentley]

aeropilot said:

TaurusMexico said:

Sadly having a VIN plate doesn't make it a genuine car....as Peter Williams (AVO Cub Chairman at the time) always said....you could rivet the plate to a cheiftan tank....but that wouldn't make the tank a Mexico !!

Aah, dear old Pete W (and Shelia) - happy days, long ago.

And then there are the people with the press and blanks that would be at shows in the 1990s and would make any VIN plate you wanted. I know of one such outfit from Stourport on Severn from the “settled community” that did and possibly still do a roaring trade.

[Mark A S]

I-am-the-reverend said:

Apologies if this is a repost:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-R35u-exLg


The turbocharged Essex was supposedly a nice unit in a Granada. Not sure about a Cortina Mark III though.

Fascinating, thanks for posting

[GreatGranny]

Has this been discussed?

https://www.iconicauctioneers.com/1974-ford-escort...

[Mark A S]

GreatGranny said:

Has this been discussed?

https://www.iconicauctioneers.com/1974-ford-escort...

I don't think so,,,,,,, 50k!

Did not know a matching numbers G-box was originally a 5 sp Looks a nice car though, albeit i much prefer a non arched version for road use.

[gt40steve]

Who stole the reversing lights ? & has he got the centre console too ?
I trust it comes with a box of spare clutch cables looking at the exhaust manifold !

Edited by gt40steve on Monday 20th May 16:39

[TarquinMX5]

Maxdecel said:

And another £53,500 ..........47 miles since test in February 2015 :-

https://www.carandclassic.com/auctions/1970-ford-e...

And now at a dealer down in Cornwall: can't post a link but Castlemotors.com @ £58,750

[aeropilot]

Mark A S said:

I-am-the-reverend said:

Apologies if this is a repost:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-R35u-exLg


The turbocharged Essex was supposedly a nice unit in a Granada. Not sure about a Cortina Mark III though.

Fascinating, thanks for posting

Brilliant.............that's answered a question that's been around AVO OC circles for 40+ years, the colour of the V6 turbo Cortina Special Build made.....and the fact that it might have been a 4-door GXL as well, many thought thought it had been built on a 2-door GT.
What a shame they didn't show the purple velvet 2-door 'RS Granada' prototype with the same turbo 3.0V6.....no known pictures exist of that.

What a great bit of film. I think it must be the only film that exists of the AVO merry-go-round assembly.

[markymarkthree]

aeropilot said:

Brilliant.............that's answered a question that's been around AVO OC circles for 40+ years, the colour of the V6 turbo Cortina Special Build made.....and the fact that it might have been a 4-door GXL as well, many thought thought it had been built on a 2-door GT.
What a shame they didn't show the purple velvet 2-door 'RS Granada' prototype with the same turbo 3.0V6.....no known pictures exist of that.

What a great bit of film. I think it must be the only film that exists of the AVO merry-go-round assembly.

The Mk3 there was an early K plate. I don't think "purple velvet" was a thing then.

[aeropilot]

markymarkthree said:

aeropilot said:

Brilliant.............that's answered a question that's been around AVO OC circles for 40+ years, the colour of the V6 turbo Cortina Special Build made.....and the fact that it might have been a 4-door GXL as well, many thought thought it had been built on a 2-door GT.
What a shame they didn't show the purple velvet 2-door 'RS Granada' prototype with the same turbo 3.0V6.....no known pictures exist of that.

What a great bit of film. I think it must be the only film that exists of the AVO merry-go-round assembly.

The Mk3 there was an early K plate. I don't think "purple velvet" was a thing then.

Purple velvet came out for the 1300E launch in Feb/March 1973, and that film was made in Oct/Nov 73 or later, as they were building RHD RS2000's in shot, and they talked about the recently introduced RS2000, which was introduced for UK in Sept/Oct '73.
The Cortina was likely an ex-Ford press fleet car that was given to AVO to play with after it came off the press fleet instead of being put through the auction system, hence it being on a K-plate.
The Granada was a 2-door and believed to have been a full build from a bare shell prototype as they were toying with the idea of a RS badged Granada 2-door. The poor sales of the RS3100 Capri (along with the 73 fuel crisis) canned the idea.
AVO did build one other special Granada though, which was the luxury spec V8 powered one built for Henry Ford II to use when in UK.

[aeropilot]

gt40steve said:

Who stole the reversing lights ? & has he got the centre console too ?
I trust it comes with a box of spare clutch cables looking at the exhaust manifold !

Not to mention the fact that's its got an early front panel with the crank handle hole, not correct for a RS2000, plus there was no such thing as a 'custom pack' option on the RS2000.
Custom pack was only an option on the Mex and RS16, not the RS2000. Even after all these years, with all the info freely available, and you still see this myth being perpetuated.

7.5" alloys are also not correct for an AVO car.

Still someone must be happy with the 50k+ they've spent on this car, so good luck to them.

[WPA]

TarquinMX5 said:

Maxdecel said:

And another £53,500 ..........47 miles since test in February 2015 :-

https://www.carandclassic.com/auctions/1970-ford-e...

And now at a dealer down in Cornwall: can't post a link but Castlemotors.com @ £58,750

https://www.castlemotors.com/used-ford-escort-lisk...

[PAUL.S.]

I-am-the-reverend said:

Apologies if this is a repost:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-R35u-exLg


The turbocharged Essex was supposedly a nice unit in a Granada. Not sure about a Cortina Mark III though.

Only 10 years later and Stuart Turner was back, masterminding the Sierra Cosworth, like a spaceship in comparison to that Cortina.

When Ford truly were the manufacturer for the motorsport enthusiast.

[Little Pete]

Mark A S said:

GreatGranny said:

Has this been discussed?

https://www.iconicauctioneers.com/1974-ford-escort...

I don't think so,,,,,,, 50k!

Did not know a matching numbers G-box was originally a 5 sp Looks a nice car though, albeit i much prefer a non arched version for road use.

It probably means the engine and ‘box match each other and the Sierra they came out of, just not the car shown! Agree on the arches too.