Ukraine: would you fight or run?
Poll: Ukraine: would you fight or run?
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My dude literally is not figurative. It is a word solely intended to mean truthfully.
As for the rest of your statements. I mean I think we get your point by now.
If you run and leave others to fight, when you have the same capability as those that stay, then you made a choice to run away- this makes you a coward.
As for the rest of your statements. I mean I think we get your point by now.
If you run and leave others to fight, when you have the same capability as those that stay, then you made a choice to run away- this makes you a coward.
LF5335 said:
Literally is a figure of speech. However if you would like to take it literally in its truest sense then fine.
44% have said they would fight. Nearly every other person on this thread is announcing they would fight. In my experience that makes them the hardest men around, or at least that’s what they’re announcing. Much like Ronnie Pickering.
Plenty making bold jingoistic statements and calling those who aren’t explicitly giving it large “coward”
Jesus Christ. Once again: several of us who are saying we would fight are saying we'd be s44% have said they would fight. Nearly every other person on this thread is announcing they would fight. In my experience that makes them the hardest men around, or at least that’s what they’re announcing. Much like Ronnie Pickering.
Plenty making bold jingoistic statements and calling those who aren’t explicitly giving it large “coward”
tting ourselves and are anything other than 'the hardest men around'. If you interpret kind of view as 'giving it large' in your day to day life then, well, I'm a little lost as to what to say to you.I remember watching a doc about foreign volunteers in the early phase.
There were lots of midget Americans wandering around Poland saying 'you're looking at a killing machine.'
I assume they were told to get stuffed, or when the first artillery pounded them they vomited and ran for it.
There were lots of midget Americans wandering around Poland saying 'you're looking at a killing machine.'
I assume they were told to get stuffed, or when the first artillery pounded them they vomited and ran for it.
Slowboathome said:
LF5335 said:
Literally is a figure of speech. However if you would like to take it literally in its truest sense then fine.
44% have said they would fight. Nearly every other person on this thread is announcing they would fight. In my experience that makes them the hardest men around, or at least that’s what they’re announcing. Much like Ronnie Pickering.
Plenty making bold jingoistic statements and calling those who aren’t explicitly giving it large “coward”
Jesus Christ. Once again: several of us who are saying we would fight are saying we'd be s44% have said they would fight. Nearly every other person on this thread is announcing they would fight. In my experience that makes them the hardest men around, or at least that’s what they’re announcing. Much like Ronnie Pickering.
Plenty making bold jingoistic statements and calling those who aren’t explicitly giving it large “coward”
tting ourselves and are anything other than 'the hardest men around'. If you interpret kind of view as 'giving it large' in your day to day life then, well, I'm a little lost as to what to say to you.That is of course if it was a scenario where the UK was being invaded. If it was a draft to go and fight a war like Vietnam then my choice may be very different. But if the wolf was at the door and I had a choice between fighting and running then I would have to fight, if only because I am too much of a coward to take the shame of running away!
bloomen said:
I remember watching a doc about foreign volunteers in the early phase.
There were lots of midget Americans wandering around Poland saying 'you're looking at a killing machine.'
I assume they were told to get stuffed, or when the first artillery pounded them they vomited and ran for it.
Back in early 2022, there was a Brit that I recall who wasn't too pleased when the ruzzians bombed the training camp near Lviv. I think he went for a bit of excitement, and wasn't too happy when he found it.There were lots of midget Americans wandering around Poland saying 'you're looking at a killing machine.'
I assume they were told to get stuffed, or when the first artillery pounded them they vomited and ran for it.
The reality is life is it is all fine and dandy until the bullets are coming towards you.
The other reality of war is that you are unlikely to see any bullets going in either direction.
As was said earlier, armies need cooks, clerks, drivers, mechanics, medics and many other non-fighting soldiers. There is a role for everybody. You can be hundreds of miles from the frontline, and still doing your bit. A bomb or a missile is as likely to drop on your head as a civillian as it is as a clerk in an office hundreds of miles from the "real fighting".
I'm mid-40s now, terribly out of shape, riddled with injuries, 2 kids at home etc. I'd be nothing but cannon fodder, but hypothetically if this was 20 years ago and it was the UK under attack. Well you wouldn't find me banging my fist on the desk demanding a rifle and directions toward the enemy to defend a flag or an island on the western tip of Europe just because I happened to have been born there, but I think back then I would have fought to try to defend innocent people against an aggressive invader, or at least I'd agree to it, and likely regret it very soon after.
I don't blame anyone for not fighting though, it's a horrible nasty modern war. In my mind's eye I've always pictured War like a WW2 film. Men with long rifles walking through fields in France looking for the enemy and taking shots at each other, unless they ran into a machine gun and got torn to bits, but as grim as that was, it's very different now I think. Humans stand zero change against the weapons others are using. There doesn't seem to be many coming away wounded, unless they've be hurt by a mine, those hurt in fighting are dead, the front line is a meat grinder for both sides.
I don't blame anyone for not fighting though, it's a horrible nasty modern war. In my mind's eye I've always pictured War like a WW2 film. Men with long rifles walking through fields in France looking for the enemy and taking shots at each other, unless they ran into a machine gun and got torn to bits, but as grim as that was, it's very different now I think. Humans stand zero change against the weapons others are using. There doesn't seem to be many coming away wounded, unless they've be hurt by a mine, those hurt in fighting are dead, the front line is a meat grinder for both sides.
Edited by P-Jay on Wednesday 8th May 12:46
pingu393 said:
Barnes Wallis wasn't very fit.
Reginald Mitchell was 42 when he died.
Neither were soldiers, but together they did more to win WW2 than any soldier.
You don't have to "fight" to fight
The whole question of 'fight or run' takes on a different character if it's being applied literally rather than 'fight' being interchangeable with 'serve'.Reginald Mitchell was 42 when he died.
Neither were soldiers, but together they did more to win WW2 than any soldier.
You don't have to "fight" to fight
You certainly don't have to be in combat or in the front line - fighting in the literally sense - to usefully and effectively serve.
Some of Ukraine's greatest strategic successes have been in the realm of information warfare - intelligence, info ops, media, propaganda, messaging. Mostly done by people at desks well away from the front line or not even in Ukraine.
It would be foolish and naive to say "I'd run international media campaigns for my country so I'd be safe" - you never know how things may pan out and a rocket could land on your office building or you could be visiting a combat unit to do some film/photo work and end up in a firefight or an artillery barrage- but equally deciding or desiring to serve doesn't mean you're itching to get into a foxhole and imagining yourself Rambo-ing through the Russian line.
LF5335 said:
I spend a lot of time abroad and have some close friends who are Ukrainian. They are proud Ukrainians, but they won’t fight. The reality is that an overweight 30-something guy who has only ever known IT and a cosy office job is not cut out for freezing his balls off in a foxhole being shelled 24/7 from 50 miles away.
This is an affront to normal Ukrainians that have been drafted into the front line. Lay off boozing with waste of space ex-pats and draft dodgers in Cyprus, LF5335 said:
Olivera said:
This is an affront to normal Ukrainians that have been drafted into the front line. Lay off boozing with waste of space ex-pats and draft dodgers in Cyprus,
Another Rambo hard man. LF5335 said:
Olivera said:
This is an affront to normal Ukrainians that have been drafted into the front line. Lay off boozing with waste of space ex-pats and draft dodgers in Cyprus,
Another Rambo hard man. t scared. Hence I can even understand why people would want to dodge the draft.What I do find unpalatable though is dodging the draft *and* morally excusing oneself as not suitable, when other poor sods on the front line are no different.
Olivera said:
Nah, I'd be st scared. Hence I can even understand why people would want to dodge the draft.
What I do find unpalatable though is dodging the draft *and* morally excusing oneself as not suitable, when other poor sods on the front line are no different.
Earlier today I wrote a long post about the invasion and occupation of Cyprus. Seeing my father close to being executed as a child and seeing my friend’s parents dead in the street. t scared. Hence I can even understand why people would want to dodge the draft.What I do find unpalatable though is dodging the draft *and* morally excusing oneself as not suitable, when other poor sods on the front line are no different.
Of course my late father is a coward though. He should have taken the 1000s of Turkish invaders on single-handedly as a restaurateur he was eminently qualified with his two barrel shotgun.
I deleted it because I didn’t want to mess with the hard men in here as we’re all just cowards.
LF5335 said:
Earlier today I wrote a long post about the invasion and occupation of Cyprus. Seeing my father close to being executed as a child and seeing my friend’s parents dead in the street.
Of course my late father is a coward though. He should have taken the 1000s of Turkish invaders on single-handedly as a restaurateur he was eminently qualified with his two barrel shotgun.
I deleted it because I didn’t want to mess with the hard men in here as we’re all just cowards.
Yes I read it. Of course my late father is a coward though. He should have taken the 1000s of Turkish invaders on single-handedly as a restaurateur he was eminently qualified with his two barrel shotgun.
I deleted it because I didn’t want to mess with the hard men in here as we’re all just cowards.
It sounded terrifying.
Being powerless in that situation, or in any life threatening situation is awful. I am glad you and your Father escaped from that.
LF5335 said:
Olivera said:
Nah, I'd be st scared. Hence I can even understand why people would want to dodge the draft.
What I do find unpalatable though is dodging the draft *and* morally excusing oneself as not suitable, when other poor sods on the front line are no different.
Earlier today I wrote a long post about the invasion and occupation of Cyprus. Seeing my father close to being executed as a child and seeing my friend’s parents dead in the street. t scared. Hence I can even understand why people would want to dodge the draft.What I do find unpalatable though is dodging the draft *and* morally excusing oneself as not suitable, when other poor sods on the front line are no different.
Of course my late father is a coward though. He should have taken the 1000s of Turkish invaders on single-handedly as a restaurateur he was eminently qualified with his two barrel shotgun.
I deleted it because I didn’t want to mess with the hard men in here as we’re all just cowards.
There are plenty of people fighting with no previous experience , i'm sure among those there are some previously in the hospitality industry.
Ultimately if your country is being over run why should other's fight it you can't be bothered ?
egor110 said:
LF5335 said:
Olivera said:
Nah, I'd be st scared. Hence I can even understand why people would want to dodge the draft.
What I do find unpalatable though is dodging the draft *and* morally excusing oneself as not suitable, when other poor sods on the front line are no different.
Earlier today I wrote a long post about the invasion and occupation of Cyprus. Seeing my father close to being executed as a child and seeing my friend’s parents dead in the street. t scared. Hence I can even understand why people would want to dodge the draft.What I do find unpalatable though is dodging the draft *and* morally excusing oneself as not suitable, when other poor sods on the front line are no different.
Of course my late father is a coward though. He should have taken the 1000s of Turkish invaders on single-handedly as a restaurateur he was eminently qualified with his two barrel shotgun.
I deleted it because I didn’t want to mess with the hard men in here as we’re all just cowards.
There are plenty of people fighting with no previous experience , i'm sure among those there are some previously in the hospitality industry.
Ultimately if your country is being over run why should other's fight it you can't be bothered ?
Or accept that some of us have seen stuff we wish we hadn’t and aren’t dreamers.
LF5335 said:
Or accept that some of us have seen stuff we wish we hadn’t and aren’t dreamers.
Or accept that not everything is a zero sum game.You opinion is no greater than anyone else’s so pack in the ‘anyone who doesn’t agree with me is a Rambo hard man’ act. It’s tedious & has ruined a thought provoking and interesting thread.
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